Yet another NM Law Enforcement Issue

[joseephuss]

Well your definition of the "attack" on the PO is just as big a stretch, no? You seem to think POs can be as rough as they want but God forbid a skinny teen even attempt to separate the "macho" officer from his mother? So "attack" when the teen is involved, but not even a "little rough" for the cop's aggressive physical actions?

The officer wasn't rough with the mother. Not at all. She ran and he tried to grab her. That isn't rough. He should have had her on the ground and cuffed when she ran after getting pulled over the second time, but you would only see that as abuse. This lady put her kids in danger throughout this ordeal. She was the instigator and the primary reason any of this happened. Screw her and dumb people like her.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The officer wasn't rough with the mother. Not at all. She ran and he tried to grab her. That isn't rough. He should have had her on the ground and cuffed when she ran after getting pulled over the second time, but you would only see that as abuse. This lady put her kids in danger throughout this ordeal. She was the instigator and the primary reason any of this happened. Screw her and dumb people like her.

Not to mention her son is probably headed for a life of trouble.. hopefully not though.

 

[BigStar]

The officer wasn't rough with the mother. Not at all. She ran and he tried to grab her. That isn't rough. He should have had her on the ground and cuffed when she ran after getting pulled over the second time, but you would only see that as abuse. This lady put her kids in danger throughout this ordeal. She was the instigator and the primary reason any of this happened. Screw her and dumb people like her.

I'm not justifying the actions of the mother who was reckless and responsible for putting her children in this situation. That seems to be the point that you guys are so held up on. So what if she was wrong? Yes, I said that. That is the discussion, "police ineptitude", not who is WRONG? If life were that simple we wouldn't need police in the first place?

 

[joseephuss]

I'm not justifying the actions of the mother who was reckless and responsible for putting her children in this situation. That seems to be the point that you guys are so held up on. So what if she was wrong? Yes, I said that. That is the discussion, "police ineptitude", not who is WRONG? If life were that simple we wouldn't need police in the first place?

There was one cop who was inept, the one who fired his gun. The original officer was not inept. If anything he was not forceful enough once he decided to arrest her, but I would not call him inept.

 

[BigStar]

There was one cop who was inept, the one who fired his gun. The original officer was not inept. If anything he was not forceful enough once he decided to arrest her, but I would not call him inept.

The initial officer was in the wrong in that he started swinging his baton at the cruiser like a frustrated cop when the kid escaped was able to successfully lock himself in the van. The cop then without hesitation whips out and wails on the window in order to open, disregarding the children in the car. He was looking foolish and became frustrated; making him become irrational and overly aggressive. He is inept as well.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The initial officer was in the wrong in that he started swinging his baton at the cruiser like a frustrated cop when the kid escaped was able to successfully lock himself in the van. The cop then without hesitation whips out and wails on the window in order to open, disregarding the children in the car. He was looking foolish and became frustrated; making him become irrational and overly aggressive. He is inept as well.

I agree with this.

IMO, when the initial officer at the scence started wildly swinging his baton in attempt to smash the window in, that was the only part of the entire situation where i thought the cops were in the wrong. He needs to keep his composure in that situation.

However, if the mother stops and accepts the ticket like a normal person, none of this would have happened in the first place.

 

[joseephuss]

Smashing a window is not going to hurt anyone.

 

[Tabascocat]

Smashing a window is not going to hurt anyone.

Physically, probably not but a piece of "safety" glass could potentially blind one of the kids. That is more traumatizing to the children seeing some crazy guy wailing away at a window yelling and screaming.

The first officer was inept as well. There is no reason that he couldn't have cuffed the woman once she got out of the car. She tried to run once already, use more force. He has a tazer for a reason and both the woman and 14 yo were perfect candidates. Like I stated earlier, once she drove away, it is no longer routine.

 

[joseephuss]

Driving at 71 mph in a 55 mph zone is more dangerous than breaking the glass. Running from the cops and crossing into oncoming traffic is far more dangerous than the glass being broken.

 

[Tabascocat]

Driving at 71 mph in a 55 mph zone is more dangerous than breaking the glass. Running from the cops and crossing into oncoming traffic is far more dangerous than the glass being broken.

That is why I have no problem with the shooting of the tires to avoid that situation. There was a whole lot of fail in that video from everyone.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Physically, probably not but a piece of "safety" glass could potentially blind one of the kids. That is more traumatizing to the children seeing some crazy guy wailing away at a window yelling and screaming.

The first officer was inept as well. There is no reason that he couldn't have cuffed the woman once she got out of the car. She tried to run once already, use more force. He has a tazer for a reason and both the woman and 14 yo were perfect candidates. Like I stated earlier, once she drove away, it is no longer routine.

Of course if he had been more forceful with the woman to get her into the cuffs or had he tasered her or the 14 year old kid.. there would have been even more calls of police brutality or abuse.

You can't win, as a cop. but the last thing i would have done would be to wail away on the passenger side car window with a baton like i had lost my mind.

 

[Tabascocat]

Of course if he had been more forceful with the woman to get her into the cuffs or had he tasered her or the 14 year old kid.. there would have been even more calls of police brutality or abuse.

You can't win, as a cop. but the last thing i would have done would be to wail away on the passenger side car window with a baton like i had lost my mind.

Agree, that was the worst action by the officers IMO. He looked like a spoiled brat or had roid rage, both unacceptable. I wouldn't have a problem if he tasered one or both of them, she could be considered a fugitive at that point and later proved it by speeding away a second time.

 

[BigStar]

Clear bias in this post.

The "skinny teen" was pretty much the same size as the "macho" officer.. don't know how you can't see that from the video.

Using hyperbole to make a point.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

The officer wasn't rough with the mother. Not at all. She ran and he tried to grab her. That isn't rough. He should have had her on the ground and cuffed when she ran after getting pulled over the second time, but you would only see that as abuse. This lady put her kids in danger throughout this ordeal. She was the instigator and the primary reason any of this happened. Screw her and dumb people like her.

How do those boots taste?

 

[Longboysfan]

That was just cowardly, gimme a break. If PO's are so timid and SCARED punks like these PO's displayed around "potential violence" they aren't qualified for the job.

No your dead wrong.

What happens say the kid gets out with a gun.
Dead dumb cop.

How do the police know they are not dealing with a bunch of crack heads or drug runners.

They do not.

 

[Longboysfan]

Sorry, but that is so stupid. The woman was not using the car as a weapon. You can't just assume because she could have thrown it in reverse the appropriate response is to start shooting--if that was the case EVERY CAR EVER PULLED OVER IS A POTENTIAL WEAPON and the cops should approach every traffic stop with guns drawn. You're obviously reaching for justification and looking more foolish in the process.

Yes, the cop who came later may not have known their were kids in the car. But, um, don't you think that might be something to take into consideration before just shooting.

Ahhhhh.... No.

Their safety and safety of other goes first.

Too many what if's on the side of the officers.
What if kid has a gun.
What if mom uses car and runs him over.
What if the mom or kid called for backup in a big drug shipment there.
What if they drove away to school and held hostages.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Ahhhhh.... No.

Their safety and safety of other goes first.

Too many what if's on the side of the officers.
What if kid has a gun.
What if mom uses car and runs him over.
What if the mom or kid called for backup in a big drug shipment there.
What if they drove away to school and held hostages.

Bawhahahah. Wow, ok. Can't even respond to how stupid that is.

 

[BigStar]

Ahhhhh.... No.

Their safety and safety of other goes first.

Too many what if's on the side of the officers.
What if kid has a gun.
What if mom uses car and runs him over.
What if the mom or kid called for backup in a big drug shipment there.
What if they drove away to school and held hostages.

Training? Protecting the safety of others? Where?

 

[joseephuss]

How do those boots taste?

What does that mean?

 

[BigStar]

What does that mean?

Not knowing your rights as a citizen; willing to give Government blind authority, etc.