You can only take one: Belicheat or Brady in his prime!

[Adreme]

Brady was a bus driver for one season when he took over for Bledsoe. He was an inexperienced QB who was forced into a starting role. The next three seasons he tossed 79 TD passes. Tom Brady has always been a real QB. Belichick has never won a ring as an HC without Tom Brady. Belichick was on the road to getting fired again as an HC until Brady took over for Bledsoe. He would have been back to being a coordinator.

And Brady is nothing without BB to carry him. He was an okay QB. To give context, Stafford would win 6 rings with BB. So yes needed a decent player to build around, but Brady lucked into being in that situation because there were about 15 QBs who could have done exactly the same thing. Even the 3 years after when you cite, he was hardly lighting the world aflame because they were a defensive team and Tom's job was to drive the bus and not mess up so the defense could carry. The difference between Brady and Manning during those years was that Manning was forcing throws to try and win the game whereas Brady's job was to simply not lose the game..

Brady's best years were the years when they were 1 and done and sometimes 2 and done in the playoffs which I do not really put on Brady but it showed that they really needed a defense to win championships.

Right now the Patriots are going to win their division (yes I am calling it early) with a career sub 60% passer whose best years are behind him. They went 11-5 with a QB who was worse than most team's backups. BB just shows that he can win games with just about anyone now which shows he is even better than he was when he first started as a head coach.

 

[KJJ]

And Brady is nothing without BB to carry him. He was an okay QB. To give context, Stafford would win 6 rings with BB. So yes needed a decent player to build around, but Brady lucked into being in that situation because there were about 15 QBs who could have done exactly the same thing. Even the 3 years after when you cite, he was hardly lighting the world aflame because they were a defensive team and Tom's job was to drive the bus and not mess up so the defense could carry. The difference between Brady and Manning during those years was that Manning was forcing throws to try and win the game whereas Brady's job was to simply not lose the game..

Brady's best years were the years when they were 1 and done and sometimes 2 and done in the playoffs which I do not really put on Brady but it showed that they really needed a defense to win championships.

Right now the Patriots are going to win their division (yes I am calling it early) with a career sub 60% passer whose best years are behind him. They went 11-5 with a QB who was worse than most team's backups. BB just shows that he can win games with just about anyone now which shows he is even better than he was when he first started as a head coach.

I stopped reading when you said Brady was an okay QB. Not wasting anymore time with this.

 

[Adreme]

I stopped reading when you said Brady was an okay QB. Not wasting anymore time with this.

Sorry, but that is the reality of what he was those 3 years you cited. Being a fanboy doesn't change reality.

 

[ghst187]

Brady was collecting rings as a JAG early on before he became great.

 

[KJJ]

Sorry, but that is the reality of what he was those 3 years you cited. Being a fanboy doesn't change reality.

I’m no Tom Brady fan but I respect what he’s accomplished. If he was only viewed as “okay” I doubt the Pats would have traded Bledsoe the following year after he had just signed the richest QB contract in NFL history. He was less than a year into that contract when they traded him.

 

[Kwyn]

Belichick hands down.

 

[KJJ]

Belichick had a losing record as a head coach in Cleveland and New England with only one winning season until Brady became his QB.

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

Belichick.

 

[Tabascocat]

BB, this team has needed a defense for a long while.......

 

[xwalker]

I take Belicheat every time. Coaching is so important in football. Belicheat can take his and beat yours, and take yours and beat his!

1.His teams are almost always prepared for the other team, and if their not he will make adjustments throughout the game to help his teams chances of winning.

2. His players, are team players. It is drummed into their heads to, “do your job”. Do you ever see NE DE’s get fulled by a boot leg. Almost never!

3. He takes advantage of his players strengths and teams strengths. See his offense with Cam compared to Brady.

4. He is the master, some would say master cheater, at using the rules to his teams advantage.

5. His teams very seldom beat themselves. They don’t make dumb mistakes.

I'm convinced that Romo would have won multiple Super Bowls if he had been in New England with Brady in Dallas.

Brady with Garrett has OC or HC would have won zero.

 

[Diehardblues]

Talent trumps coaching .

We’ve seen it time and time again. Landry couldn’t win games early and late in his career without it. The list goes on. Same with Jimmy. 1-15 without it. And not a success in Miami without it.

Great coaching can assemble, help develop and optimize great talent but without it will lose out to greater talent.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm convinced that Romo would have won multiple Super Bowls if he had been in New England with Brady in Dallas.

Brady with Garrett has OC or HC would have won zero.

If they’d both been surrounded with identical talent I might agree.

Patriots had a top 5-10 defense most years they won Super Bowl. Although Brady did take a 31st ranked Defense one year to SB in defeat. Which I doubt Romo could have done.

Brady was a much more prolific passer standing in the pocket. All of those years in Dallas without an OL Brady would have struggled. Romo on the other hand more of a playmaker . Extending plays and making the most of a bad situation.

Brady came up clutch on the biggest stages. Romo didn’t always have his best or clutch performances on the biggest stages in the playoffs.

I’d give the edge to Romo in New England just because any situation with Jerry is an obstacle to overcome with dysfunctional organization.

 

[xwalker]

If they’d both been surrounded with identical talent I might agree.

Patriots had a top 5-10 defense most years they won Super Bowl. Although Brady did take a 31st ranked Defense one year to SB in defeat. Which I doubt Romo could have done.

Brady was a much more prolific passer standing in the pocket. All of those years in Dallas without an OL Brady would have struggled. Romo on the other hand more of a playmaker . Extending plays and making the most of a bad situation.

Brady came up clutch on the biggest stages. Romo didn’t always have his best or clutch performances on the biggest stages in the playoffs.

I’d give the edge to Romo in New England just because any situation with Jerry is an obstacle to overcome with dysfunctional organization.

I didn't say that Romo would win as many Super Bowls as Brady, just that he would have won multiple if he had played for the Patriots and Belichick.

 

[Diehardblues]

I didn't say that Romo would win as many Super Bowls as Brady, just that he would have won multiple if he had played for the Patriots and Belichick.

That’s still subjective in nature. We’ve seen what Bill has done without Brady. While winning 11 games with the defending SB champ with Cassel after Brady went down was only season in Brady era Bill didn’t make the playoffs.

And while Bill built a good Browns team before it collapsed after the announcement to move to Baltimore he couldn’t advance deep in the playoffs. We will learn more now that had Brady has left.

But I’d argue Bill is the greatest defense guru in the league . An extension of his great years as DC with Giants and Parcells. Everywhere he’s gone has built great defenses. And he and Brady will go down as the greatest QB/ HC combo in NFL history.

I wouldn’t assume anyone else would have come close to their achievements. It was a perfect storm.

 

[CouchCoach]

Brady needed Belichick more than the reverse. Which is why he was willing to take less money to stay in NE and put up with Belichick's penchant for making it a point that no player is above the team. There was never any confusion in NE as to who's team it was and Brady knew Belichick loved him because he always surrounded him with lots of friends.

 

[ryanbabs]

I think Brady is the luckiest athlete of all time. Is he great? Yes. But between having Belichick as coach, the best offensive coordinator and scheme, the easiest division that led to a bye and home field advantage every season, all those controversial wins, all those close wins by a field goal, the cheating, and Atlanta and Seattle having two Super Bowls won and then just handing them over, marrying a woman worth half a billion dollars so he could start taking discount salaries, everything has always gone Brady’s way. He’s great. But he’s always been very lucky.

There is a lot of truth to this!

 

[Diehardblues]

To answer the OP question. I’d take which one didn’t include Jerry. Lol

 

[xwalker]

That’s still subjective in nature. We’ve seen what Bill has done without Brady. While winning 11 games with the defending SB champ with Cassel after Brady went down was only season in Brady era Bill didn’t make the playoffs.

And while Bill built a good Browns team before it collapsed after the announcement to move to Baltimore he couldn’t advance deep in the playoffs. We will learn more now that had Brady has left.

But I’d argue Bill is the greatest defense guru in the league . An extension of his great years as DC with Giants and Parcells. Everywhere he’s gone has built great defenses. And he and Brady will go down as the greatest QB/ HC combo in NFL history.

I wouldn’t assume anyone else would have come close to their achievements. It was a perfect storm.

The Patriots beat the Rams in the 2018 season Super Bowl 13-3.

Belichick made an adjustment to his defensive alignment that totally screwed up the Rams precision run blocking scheme.

McVay looked like the brightest offensive mind in football that season...until he went against Belichick.

It will be interesting to see the season progress for the Pats and Bucs.

 

[DCCowboys11]

I take Bill. He would’ve won at least 1 Super Bowl while Romo was here. Possibly more.

 

[Diehardblues]

I’m really looking forward to seeing how Pats do this year. I’m expecting Cam, if he can stay healthy, to optimize his talents with Bill.

And if Pats have a great defense they could still be a tough out. They’ll still have to go thru Balt or K.C And their multi talented QB’s.

This one reason I think Bill took Cam. He sees how Mahomes and Jackson even Watson ability creates different issues for his defenses and I think he’s hoping Cam with his mobility can create similar issues for oppossing defenses. The key will be his health.

Unfortunately our coaching hasn’t figured out how to use Prescott’s mobility more. I think it was a weapon early on his career. NFL defenses weaknesses is a mobile play making QB.

And why Romo had as much success as he did with his talent level. Watson and Jackson much like Prescott aren’t prolific passers but their play making abilities can make them lethal.