You can't pay everyone

[Galian Beast]

It's a business. If murray wants to stay with his teammates in dallas he will Accept a reasonable offer from Jerry instead of chasing the bug bucks that some other stupid team would pay him.

Murray might as well look at himself as a RFA right now. Even if we sign AP, he get's franchised and traded. No way do we let him walk away without getting anything for him. Wouldn't make any sense.

The Browns traded Richardson for a 1st round draft pick. We could probably get a 1st or a 2nd for Murray.

So, depending APs price if available, you could potentially even save money, get a better player, and get help for this defense.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Murray might as well look at himself as a RFA right now. Even if we sign AP, he get's franchised and traded. No way do we let him walk away without getting anything for him. Wouldn't make any sense.

The Browns traded Richardson for a 1st round draft pick. We could probably get a 1st or a 2nd for Murray.

So, depending APs price if available, you could potentially even save money, get a better player, and get help for this defense.

The Browns traded a guy on a rookie contract. You're talking about trading a guy making franchise tag money. Totally different ball of wax.

I honestly don't see the scenario you project as realistic. It involves a significant investment in an asset you don't plan on holding-- in essence, an investment you plan on liquidating -- without any real comfort that there's a secondary market for that asset.

 

[RoboQB]

My take on the RB future: Keep Murray. He's a special back on a special offense.

For everyone screaming for Adrian Peterson: We might as well just pay Murray. We could spread the contract out over 4 years. Someone mentioned AP for one year. That's just crazy! He'll want 10-12 million.

For everyone screaming to let Murray walk: It would be like a team letting AP walk. Only worse, because he has no legal baggage.

Yes, we have an awesome and young offensive line that will most likely get younger next year unless Free agrees to a 50% pay cut... however, there is not a RB on the roster (or PS) that can handle 30 carries a game for multiple weeks... plus, Murray tends to make 3-5 yards on the rare times he is hit in the backfield... those are plays that should carry more attention while pondering drafting a RB or trading for RBs like Mark Ingram... yes, we can't pay everyone but its better to let the capologists figure that out... the cap increases quite a bit next year.

 

[tyke1doe]

"Apple and oranges comparison" - Wow, really? That was the most apt comparisons anyone could make. And thank you for proving my point, nearly every productive RB in the league is considered "injury prone". And you asked if it was the norm if an RB missing 2 games a season, I just showed you that it is. Forget what we were discussing or are you cherry picking at this point?

No, I didn't forget what we were talking about. Notice my initial post that got you all in a tizzy.

You keep Dez. You let Murray walk. As much as I appreciate Murray, if we had Levon Bell, Jamal Charles or Alfred Morris, you don't think they could do the same thing behind this line?
Dez is special. You keep your special players.

You notice I mentioned Charles, Morris and Bell. You know, other backs who have been productive. You took exception to my mentioning those guys in the same breath as Murray. Well, if I've proved your point that nearly every productive RB in the league is considered "injury prone" then it proves my point that any productive back - injury prone or not - could run behind this line.

McCoy signed his extension back in 2012, you know, when Jackson was still there and getting big money? The Eagles have never JUST had McCoy, they signed a big-time FA CB (Was a mistake on their part, and we lucked out not getting him), they've had talent on their defensive line for a good while, a top 5 LT. They are very similar to us, actually, they have had more top-level players than us.

You mean the DeSean Jackson who after signing his contract wasn't happy with that contract and was released to go to the Commanders? That DeSean Jackson?
Second, that big-named cornerback, Nnamdi Asomugha, played two years with the Eagles and never saw the end of his five-year contract. So are you suggesting that the Cowboys would sign Dez, Murray and Ro McClain and not let two of them see the end of their contract?
That is what happened to the Eagles. I remind you after they signed those contracts, Asomugha and Jackson are no longer Eagles.

The only RBs you just mentioned on the level of Murray are McCoy and Charles (Peterson is a once in a generation RB, and is more of a reason why he got big money from the Vikings). The fact that you are throwing in Eddie Lacy and Morris is a joke and you're grasping to make arguments at this point.

How so? Based on your opinion? Both Lacy and Morris have surpassed the 1,000 yard mark in their careers in the NFL. Lacy did it on a passing team. Morris doesn't have a Dez on his team and amassed 1,000 yards with RGIII being out for a significant part of the year. And surely, you're not saying that Morris is running behind an offensive line as good as the Cowboys are you?

Both Morris and Lacy had better yardage totals than Murray did in his first years in the league. Go look it up, and then tell me who's grasping to make an argument. Apparently you didn't look at their stats.

And I agree that Dallas would choose Dez over Murray, I never said otherwise. I would always keep a young top 5 WR over a young top 5 RB.

Well, then you basically are admitting you're arguing for nothing because that's what I said. However, I said also if we had to make a choice, we keep Dez and let Murray walk. You got all butthurt because I said any other back could put up the same numbers. Morris put up 1,613 and 1,275 behind the Skins line. And you're saying he couldn't put up 1,000 yards behind the Cowboys offensive line?

Yeah, who's grasping to make his point?

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't think its as easy as people think to find another runningback like Murray. Otherwise we would be seeing the same production from Randle right now and we haven't. Thats a myth that I don't agree with and so does the FO. If for the love of God they let Murray go and he signs with a team like Detroit or Green Bay and they win a superbowl because of him, those that wanted him gone and Cowboys FO are going to look mighty foolish.

Do you consider Randle a top back? You notice I mentioned top backs and backs starting with their teams. Yes, I do believe with this offensive line, another running back would perform similarly to Murray.

Why not let Dez go instead? He's not producing that much and receivers can be had easily also. Just look at the Patriots and Green Bay. They get more production from their receivers at half the price.

You know the knock on the Patriots now? They don't have a go-to receiver for Brady. And Green Bay has Aaron Rodgers. Romo aint Rodgers. Nor is he Brady. But you don't let Dez go because Dez is more valuable as a receiver than Murray is as a running back. You can get a good running back. They're dimes a dozen. You can't get great receivers that easily.

Now Im being sarcastic here and Im a big fan of Dez. But people here are being naive into thinking that we can replace any of our top players just like that including Murray. Cowboys need to find a way to sign both Murray, Bryant and the rest of the top players. If either one of them leave, then we can kiss a run for the superbowl goodbye and by then Romo will retire without a ring.

Well, we've had Dez and Murray hear prior to this year and they haven't delivered a Super Bowl. You make it sound as if we've already won a Super Bowl, and these two were largely the reason. The reason we're in contention now is because of the OFFENSIVE LINE. Yes, Murray and Dez have played their roles, but we weren't going anywhere without a stable offensive line. Again, you build on the lines. If you don't have the blocking, a running back isn't going anywhere and a quarterback isn't going to have time to hit his receivers.

 

[tyke1doe]

For everyone screaming to let Murray walk: It would be like a team letting AP walk. Only worse, because he has no legal baggage.

Please stop.

 

[JoeKing]

These money matters drive me nuts which is why I no longer worry about them. Jerry and Stephen will find a way to keep the players we want.

 

[tyke1doe]

Your argument is flawed and illogical. Maybe they just didn't feed the ball to Murray because the playcaller just didn't have it in himself to call it? See Green Bay game last year.

You do understand that I asked a question? And I offered a possibility which isn't conclusive? Before you go speaking about flawed logic, maybe you need to understand a bit about the English language and grammar and understand why question marks are used. Just saying.

Murray was gashing Green Bay last year. He averaged over 5 yards a carry and went to the probowl. Yet our team centered on passing the ball with Romo. This year his breaking records and no one has yet to stop him.

And yet Jason Garrett didn't continue to feed him the ball. Why do you think he didn't if it was so obvious that Murray was the answers? I'm asking a question. I'm not drawing a conclusion.

Yet people here needs to find a way to criticize Murray. Unbelievable.

Just as people here need to find a way to get butthurt because some Cowboys fans are giving the offensive line more credit for Murray's resurgence. Unbelieveable, indeed.

 

[RoboQB]

Please stop.

Free speech..... if I can sit here and read how so many people think they know what is best for a team they have no control over, then I can certainly
throw my opinion into it...... and you can't stop me... click ignore, Rowdy.

Fair or not, Peterson has a legal issue... but hey, at least there's no video, right..... anyone that thinks DeMarco Murray is just an average RB simply
isn't paying very much attention.

 

[tyke1doe]

Free speech..... if I can sit here and read how so many people think they know what is best for a team they have no control over, then I can certainly
throw my opinion into it...... and you can't stop me... click ignore, Rowdy.

Sigh. My "Please stop" was not an attempt to curb your free speech rights.

Rather, it was a phrase to convey that your statement is nonsense. I like what Murray is doing, but he can't hold a candle to AP. Please save yourself of the ridiculousness of comparing him to AP. No, it wouldn't be the same as letting AP leave. AP is a once-in-a-generation running back. Murray is not. He's good, but he's not in AP's league.

Fair or not, Peterson has a legal issue... but hey, at least there's no video, right..... anyone that thinks DeMarco Murray is just an average RB simply
isn't paying very much attention.

First, who said Murray was just an average RB?

Second, you compared him to the best running back this decade. Murray aint that. And that's why I said "please stop."

 

[ConstantReboot]

Do you consider Randle a top back? You notice I mentioned top backs and backs starting with their teams. Yes, I do believe with this offensive line, another running back would perform similarly to Murray..

Well have to disagree on this and frankly its a risk I would not take if I was Dallas. You don't give up on something thats working and running the ball with Murray is bringing us wins and quite possibly the Lombardi. So what if we do get a top notch running back that we thought can do everything what Murray can do but can't? Not every back is a match for the team that they go to and frankly I would not want to find out.

Like I said before if ain't broken, don't fix it. Murray running the ball isn't broken. Other parts of our team needs work such as defense.

You know the knock on the Patriots now? They don't have a go-to receiver for Brady. And Green Bay has Aaron Rodgers. Romo aint Rodgers. Nor is he Brady. But you don't let Dez go because Dez is more valuable as a receiver than Murray is as a running back. You can get a good running back. They're dimes a dozen. You can't get great receivers that easily..

Brady and Rodgers went to the superbowl with receivers. They also had good defenses to back them up. Romo never had a team with a good oline and a good defense. Maybe if they actually surround him with a real team he might actually perform up to par with a Brady or even Rogers.

I still believe the saying that running the ball and defense wins champions. Heck what top receiver did Seattle have last year? They won by defense and running the ball. The same formula which Garrett wants to inscribe into this team.

Well, we've had Dez and Murray hear prior to this year and they haven't delivered a Super Bowl. You make it sound as if we've already won a Super Bowl, and these two were largely the reason. The reason we're in contention now is because of the OFFENSIVE LINE. Yes, Murray and Dez have played their roles, but we weren't going anywhere without a stable offensive line. Again, you build on the lines. If you don't have the blocking, a running back isn't going anywhere and a quarterback isn't going to have time to hit his receivers.

Never said that we won the Superbowl. For me to say that would be crazy. Im saying that there are certain pieces that are needed to make it to the superbowl and win it. One is a good running game and a good defense. Why do you want to get rid of our running game so quick? Whats wrong with Murray carrying the load all the way to the playoffs and possibly the superbowl? Dez is a great receiver and he certainly has an impact. However, we've finally found balance on offense with a one two punch. Why are you so eager and willing to get rid of Murray so fast and risk lossing an important part of the offense?

Jerry is itching for another Superbowl. Romo is as well before he retires and time is not on their side. Right now all the pieces on offense is in place. They need to work on defense and get some players. Sign everyone if possible including MURRAY to a contract and bring us back that lombardi. Because were not going to get many more chances if we start breaking this team up so soon.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I would not sign Leary long term. I would go out and draft a guy or sign a reasonable FA.

hes restricted hes not going anywhere.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

These money matters drive me nuts which is why I no longer worry about them. Jerry and Stephen will find a way to keep the players we want.

Agreed, and it won't be that hard either,,, this team doesn't have that many great players that will require superstar salaries. Pay them what their worth, good teams with good rosters do it all the time.

 

[ConstantReboot]

You do understand that I asked a question? And I offered a possibility which isn't conclusive? Before you go speaking about flawed logic, maybe you need to understand a bit about the English language and grammar and understand why question marks are used. Just saying.

I saying that your argument is flawed because you didn't include the part that Garrett didn't give him the ball. You thought of other scenarios which would fit your argument instead. But the fact is Garrett didn't give him the ball even though we could have won because Murray was gashing their entire defense. Your argument seems to want to point out that there was something wrong with Murray because of it.

There was nothing wrong with Murray. He was having an outstanding day. Garrett didn't give him the ball because of erroneous playcalling. Yet you didn't include that as part of your scenario.

And yet Jason Garrett didn't continue to feed him the ball. Why do you think he didn't if it was so obvious that Murray was the answers? I'm asking a question. I'm not drawing a conclusion.

Maybe you should ask Garrett and not me. Thats why I question is playcalling all along and I've made it known loud and clear here that I hate his playcalling. I'm glad that we now have Linehan so that Garrett doesn't call plays.

But the fact is were running the ball with Murray now. Garrett and this entire offense is comfortably with him running. The entire team is happy with him running the ball. The conclusion is that the team knows they have a good thing with Murray. If you tell them right now that they should trade Murray because he is easy to replace they would think your crazy. Murray is an important piece in why we're winning. You just don't let him go that easily.

Just as people here need to find a way to get butthurt because some Cowboys fans are giving the offensive line more credit for Murray's resurgence. Unbelieveable, indeed.

I guess you didn't see Murray run during his rookie year. If he didn't get injured he would have been a 1K rusher. That happened with crappy oline. He's also averaging over 5 yards during his entire career. Lastly, Murray leads the league in yardage after contact. Which means that not all of his production is because of this oline. He is actually a very good running back in his own rights and worthy of taking us to the superbowl.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

beasley and Leary are both restricted they aren't going anywhere.

Free has a year option on his contract , 50/50 chance he's back.

Dez will definitely be signed . It will be a cap friendly salary for 2015 with lots of front loaded money in year one.

Murray isn't leaving , last resort is too franchise him and it will happen if it has to.

McClain will definitely be re-signed Stephen Jones has already talked about re-signing him.

Hoping we could sign Selvie and Durant for a reasonable price (great depth)

Odd men out are : Bruce Carter simply can't afford him , someone will over pay him.

Dwayne harris , has been excellent special teams player but someone will over pay him.

Henry melton , Salary is far too high and T . Crawford is much better.

Spencer , Just have to get younger at the position .

 

[RoboQB]

Sigh. My "Please stop" was not an attempt to curb your free speech rights.

Rather, it was a phrase to convey that your statement is nonsense. I like what Murray is doing, but he can't hold a candle to AP. Please save yourself of the ridiculousness of comparing him to AP. No, it wouldn't be the same as letting AP leave. AP is a once-in-a-generation running back. Murray is not. He's good, but he's not in AP's league.



First, who said Murray was just an average RB?

Second, you compared him to the best running back this decade. Murray aint that. And that's why I said "please stop."

SMH...
I was referring to salaries... since you're all up in Adrian's jock for some reason, let's play your game... Dallas cuts Murray and intends to sign the great almighty Peterson (who will likely be 30 yrs. old
the next time he steps on an NFL field).... now, try to stay with me here, just how much money do you think the great almighty Peterson is going to want?... QB money, that's how much... what type of contract do you want to give in terms of years???...2...3..4...?..stretch it out to 6 years and pay the devil later?

I was never comparing talent... Peterson is a freak of nature... how many RBs in the league are better than Murray? who do you want? Dude has to be 220lbs. and able to take a pounding so there goes McCoy and Charles and all those little backs people have mentioned... there's Morris.. think Washington will give him away!?! Bell!?!...nope.....draft Gurley or Gordon? Why start all over? and who can guarantee they translate to NFL quality?

Too often, people tend to hide behind a keyboard spewing insults toward other people... whatever your reasoning is, its not necessary... try to be a nice person... we are strangers to each other, no need to be mean.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The reason I would not give him a long term, big money contract is the degenerative condition he's facing. Could easily be throwing money away on a big long term contract.

I was reading about his cartilage issue and it is possible that it will heal on its own if it doesn't fold up in itself. They deem it degenerative but it isn't actually in all cases. It's not arthritic or the like. Its just a type of tear.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Leary is playing as well as the 3 first round picks and his UDFA status means we can sign him at a similar cost as that unknown 2nd rd draft pick.

Yup his contract runs out but he only has two years service time as he was on the PS for most of his rookie year and not on the roster.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dez needs to be the priority, everyone else who's contract are up is replaceable

McClain isn't.

 

[mattjames2010]

No, I didn't forget what we were talking about. Notice my initial post that got you all in a tizzy.



You notice I mentioned Charles, Morris and Bell. You know, other backs who have been productive. You took exception to my mentioning those guys in the same breath as Murray. Well, if I've proved your point that nearly every productive RB in the league is considered "injury prone" then it proves my point that any productive back - injury prone or not - could run behind this line.



You mean the DeSean Jackson who after signing his contract wasn't happy with that contract and was released to go to the Commanders? That DeSean Jackson?
Second, that big-named cornerback, Nnamdi Asomugha, played two years with the Eagles and never saw the end of his five-year contract. So are you suggesting that the Cowboys would sign Dez, Murray and Ro McClain and not let two of them see the end of their contract?
That is what happened to the Eagles. I remind you after they signed those contracts, Asomugha and Jackson are no longer Eagles.



How so? Based on your opinion? Both Lacy and Morris have surpassed the 1,000 yard mark in their careers in the NFL. Lacy did it on a passing team. Morris doesn't have a Dez on his team and amassed 1,000 yards with RGIII being out for a significant part of the year. And surely, you're not saying that Morris is running behind an offensive line as good as the Cowboys are you?

Both Morris and Lacy had better yardage totals than Murray did in his first years in the league. Go look it up, and then tell me who's grasping to make an argument. Apparently you didn't look at their stats.



Well, then you basically are admitting you're arguing for nothing because that's what I said. However, I said also if we had to make a choice, we keep Dez and let Murray walk. You got all butthurt because I said any other back could put up the same numbers. Morris put up 1,613 and 1,275 behind the Skins line. And you're saying he couldn't put up 1,000 yards behind the Cowboys offensive line?

Yeah, who's grasping to make his point?

What the hell kind of point are you trying to make with Jackson and Asomugha? Again, you're COMPLETELY forgetting what we are discussing. You were saying that McCoy was signed to a big contract because they had no other talent around them. I proved you wrong and you are now creating some other argument. Are you mental? If you are, I apologize.

Eddie Lacy is on a PASSING team. Their running game plays off the pass, not the other way around. When Rodgers went down last year, he had two big games and one of them came against our piss poor defense (Who the hell didn't have a good game against us?). How is Lacy doing this year? With Rodgers and his receivers tearing it up, Lacy is averaging 4.0 YPC and had one game with a little over 100 yards. As for Morris, he benefited from the gimmicky read option his rookie season and has been on a decline since. His 3.8 YPC this year is fantastic. This isn't "opinion", this is fact, "son". It's called doing research before spouting off at the mouth and forming a solid argument. A Cowboys' fan who didn't know Murray rushed for over 1,000 yards last year obviously doesn't pay attention.

Is there anything else or do I have to continue making you look like an idiot? I'll do this all day, and you can end each and every sentence with "son" and a laughing emoticon in a futile attempt to get a rise out me. You have that as your tactic while I'm slapping you in the face with facts while you dodge and create new topics to argue about.

At this point, I'm hoping you are mental. At least that would be an excuse.