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Zac Martin is arguably the best over all guard in the NFL. He is an all pro caliber player. Wanting to keep him around is a no brainer.

Having said the foregoing whether we should resign him is a function of cost. You can't afford to pay him $20 million dollars per year to stick around.

I would like to see Martin extended at an average of the top 5 players at his position, but that wont happen. If we resign him it will be for a monster contract. If we let him go there will be a monster sized hole where he used to be. Not only that, but it will take draft capital to fill the position, so signing him is preferrable.

On the other hand we can't pull a Dez and over pay him just because he is great. At some point the cost becomes "too much" and it is better to move on from the player. Good teams make tough choices.

If we can't extend Martin for a reasonable amount of money, then we could do a franchise tag on him and trade him. He would likely net a first round pick and possibly more. He is one of the players who teams would actually want and pay us accordingly.

If we took the first round pick we got for him you could use it to draft his replacement (if we decided to do that) or use it to move up in the draft for an impact player. You could probably get a very good player to play guard for a lot less than the cap hit that Martin would command. The player would likely not be as good as Martin, (at least in the short term) but the labor cost would be MUCH smaller and you would own that player for 5 years.

For instance you could use the pick to draft Martin's replacement, draft Dez' replacement, cut Dez, cut Witten, and move forward with substantially more cap room to make a move. I'm not advocating that, I'm just saying, at some point the salary gets to be too much, regardless if it is a market value deal or not.
 

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Zac Martin is arguably the best over all guard in the NFL. He is an all pro caliber player. Wanting to keep him around is a no brainer.

Having said the foregoing whether we should resign him is a function of cost. You can't afford to pay him $20 million dollars per year to stick around.
They dont have a choice. With Smith back issues, at this point he would be the step in LT. I'd be shocked if Martin doesnt get paid over every other pending FA. Like you said its a no brainer.
 

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first i would want to figure out, will a HC want to keep pollack because thats going to set teh stage for "how much do we sign him for" Guys liek Callahan, make a line, some guys need talent to compensate, now Dallas has for a season or less had the best line in football, and thats a slim line to call to begin with.

Theres a few questiosn that have to be resolved, can we get along without him, if we do sign him will we make it worth our while, and if we cant resign him, than we ll still need that money to get decent talent on the line and shift the offensive thinking.

A ton of questions has to be asked and they need to be asked because its not automatic that the Jones boys want the SB anymore. I think a lot of us has to start asking, Has JJ become one of the "its only abot the money" owners, and if so, than it doesnt matter what they do, its only about filling stadium.

If Garrett does stay than i would ship Martin out of here because he deserves better.
 

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Zac Martin is arguably the best over all guard in the NFL. He is an all pro caliber player. Wanting to keep him around is a no brainer.

Having said the foregoing whether we should resign him is a function of cost. You can't afford to pay him $20 million dollars per year to stick around.

I would like to see Martin extended at an average of the top 5 players at his position, but that wont happen. If we resign him it will be for a monster contract. If we let him go there will be a monster sized hole where he used to be. Not only that, but it will take draft capital to fill the position, so signing him is preferrable.

On the other hand we can't pull a Dez and over pay him just because he is great. At some point the cost becomes "too much" and it is better to move on from the player. Good teams make tough choices.

If we can't extend Martin for a reasonable amount of money, then we could do a franchise tag on him and trade him. He would likely net a first round pick and possibly more. He is one of the players who teams would actually want and pay us accordingly.

If we took the first round pick we got for him you could use it to draft his replacement (if we decided to do that) or use it to move up in the draft for an impact player. You could probably get a very good player to play guard for a lot less than the cap hit that Martin would command. The player would likely not be as good as Martin, (at least in the short term) but the labor cost would be MUCH smaller and you would own that player for 5 years.

For instance you could use the pick to draft Martin's replacement, draft Dez' replacement, cut Dez, cut Witten, and move forward with substantially more cap room to make a move. I'm not advocating that, I'm just saying, at some point the salary gets to be too much, regardless if it is a market value deal or not.
The top Guard contract is 12M per. Martin will get 12.5M, not 20M.

The Cowboys have saved on free agents so that they could re-sign their own.

Just cut Dez and Witten for about 18M savings per year.
 

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There's probably money if Dez is let go, right? Aren't we getting to a point where shedding Dez' contract isn't crazy-painful?
 

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There's probably money if Dez is let go, right? Aren't we getting to a point where shedding Dez' contract isn't crazy-painful?

if we were SB bound, you can still shred his contract and it would be worth it. since we are neither and it doesnt matter, id still shred it as a sign that Dallas is signalling, the SB is never in our sights. Either way, its more amazing players would come or stay unless we drag them from the draft.
 

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The top Guard contract is 12M per. Martin will get 12.5M, not 20M.

The Cowboys have saved on free agents so that they could re-sign their own.

Just cut Dez and Witten for about 18M savings per year.

Yes, I get that. I am just saying there is an opportunity cost. If pay Zac, every dollar you pay him can't be spent somewhere else. When you pay a guy that much money you can't have him underperform his contract like Dez and Witten. Granted je is as close as you can get to a sure thing, but the more we pay him, the higher the risk vs. reward becomes. That's all I am saying.
 

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There's probably money if Dez is let go, right? Aren't we getting to a point where shedding Dez' contract isn't crazy-painful?

Yeah. You would definitely keep Martin over Dez. That's a no brainer. What's not as obvious is at what point is his salary too much regardless of how good he is?
 

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Yes, I get that. I am just saying there is an opportunity cost. If pay Zac, every dollar you pay him can't be spent somewhere else. When you pay a guy that much money you can't have him underperform his contract like Dez and Witten. Granted je is as close as you can get to a sure thing, but the more we pay him, the higher the risk vs. reward becomes. That's all I am saying.

The OL has become this teams identity. Over-pay if needed.

Witten didn't get over paid if you look back at his career vs career earnings. His cap hit got up there because they restructured him several times.
 

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You NEVER let all-pro players in their prime leave. This team should have absolutely no salary cap problems. They paid for the past spending now with years of much stricter frugality (despite a couple of overpays in hindsight in Dez and Crawford although those are still 2 good players), and now Romo will be off the books in another year. Our starting QB is on a rookie contract. We have signed very few free agents for a couple of years. All this talk about having trouble signing Lawrence, Irving, Hitchens, and Martin is silly IMO. Transition or Franchise for a year or two if you have to (Lawrence makes sense, because he has had PED suspension and injury issues in past, and only 1 monster year of production - although I like him). They can give solid signing bonuses, and smaller early year salaries, and stretch out contract - no problems.

This team can't afford to lose consistent, pro-bowl players that don't have trouble off the field........This guys should be dominant for years yet - why would we ever give that up for the unknown?
 
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