Zeke cannot do what Pollard does

[starfan1]

2018 his longest run was 84 yds
2019 it was 78
2020 it is 45 so far

Talk about letting an agenda blind you.

Just for kicks I looked it up. Agenda much 2020 his longest run or receiving is 24 yards against Cleveland
2019 was 33 yards against Washington 1st game of year 2018 was a 44 yarder in playoffs against Seattle .

Those stats are off ESPN game log. His current 3.9 average has him a robust 35th in the league

when I review 2016 compared to latter years it’s so night and day and I realize it’s a team game but there’s no denying his fall from grace

but from a positive outlook he ran and played well against the vikes let’s see if it continues

 

[starfan1]

where have you been and what do you call a big run, off my head I remember a 60 harder vs Bengals, a 40-50 yarder vs Steelers, a 30 yarder vs Falcons 44 yarder vs Seahawks 41 yarder vs detroit

Most of those early in 2016 in 2018 playoffs against Seattle was 44 yarder and in 2018 Detroit was 41

his longest in last 2 years is 33 the 1st game of year against Washington which supports what most have said that since his new contract the numbers have plummeted and his fumbles have increased

that said so has the line. I have always said that it was the line that was a large part of his success

 

[G2]

How did you know? Did we meet somewhere I don't remember? You roofied me and still couldn't get any? Shoot..I always miss out.

You may have been drinking, does me talking you out of using it as a suppository ring a bell?

 

[G2]

Correlation is not causation. It might be a fact that we do better when Zeke gets lots of carries but that doesn’t make it a fact that Zeke getting more carries is the reason we do better.

In terms of advance metrics like value over replacement and defense adjusted yards over replacement. It’s a fact that Zeke is terrible. I treat that as more of an anecdote though rather than concrete evidence.

Elliott's production has a direct effect on win probability, whether you think so or not.

 

[Asklesko]

I seriously doubt that Pollard is capable of withstanding the type of punishment that Zeke does. The difference in their body types say as much. If the Cowboys felt he was capable of doing much more, he'd likely be doing far more than he is. If that's not enough, let's also consider that they're being very effective as a team and preventing each other from getting overly exposed to undue punishment. They'll both most likely enjoy longer careers for their present situation being continued. Changing what's already working well isn't necessarily advisable. Perhaps the coaches will change their minds if they agree with you. So far, they haven't done that with both RBs remaining healthy.

Zeke only takes punishment because we use him so poorly. Predictable draws to the extreme near right that always get him creamed. Yeah he can do it, but he shouldn't. he is more a runner than a grinder.

You saw after Pollard put up some big runs that they started running Zeke the same way. Zeke looked almost like his old self. even so, he is noticeably slower than pollard right now.

If you want a monster truck, you need to go get one. Zeke is a porsche.

In any case, i dont get any of the thinking here. This team doesnt need to grind. It needs to fly and go verticle.

 

[starfan1]

Zeke only takes punishment because we use him so poorly. Predictable draws to the extreme near right that always get him creamed. Yeah he can do it, but he shouldn't. he is more a runner than a grinder.

You saw after Pollard put up some big runs that they started running Zeke the same way. Zeke looked almost like his old self. even so, he is noticeably slower than pollard right now.

If you want a monster truck, you need to go get one. Zeke is a porsche.

LOl Zeke a porsche? No Zeke is ford edge that the cowboys paid Porsche rates for. Nice vehicle one that will get you lots of mileage but don't expect the WOW factor anymore.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Zeke only takes punishment because we use him so poorly. Predictable draws to the extreme near right that always get him creamed. Yeah he can do it, but he shouldn't. he is more a runner than a grinder.

You saw after Pollard put up some big runs that they started running Zeke the same way. Zeke looked almost like his old self. even so, he is noticeably slower than pollard right now.

If you want a monster truck, you need to go get one. Zeke is a porsche.

In any case, i dont get any of the thinking here. This team doesnt need to grind. It needs to fly and go verticle.

This, said this in another thread. Did not see the game but yesterday Skip and Shannon shown some runs and he had some pep in his step on Sunday. I had to pinch myself to make sure it was still 2020 and not 2016.

 

[Bullflop]

Zeke only takes punishment because we use him so poorly. Predictable draws to the extreme near right that always get him creamed. Yeah he can do it, but he shouldn't. he is more a runner than a grinder.

You saw after Pollard put up some big runs that they started running Zeke the same way. Zeke looked almost like his old self. even so, he is noticeably slower than pollard right now.

If you want a monster truck, you need to go get one. Zeke is a porsche.

In any case, i dont get any of the thinking here. This team doesnt need to grind. It needs to fly and go verticle.

Zeke used to be a "Porsche." Nowadays, he's far more of a power runner than a speed merchant. That is what I've been explaining for some time now. Elliott isn't the sort of an athlete who faithfully and dutifully keeps himself free of the party life that many athletes religiously avoid. This has long been his operational mode since his early days in college and throughout his professional career. Those who prefer to be believing otherwise are simply kidding themselves. The team hasn't been misusing him nearly as much as his lifestyle has abused him and his physical well being for too many years now.

 

[RonnieT24]

Why mention something he never does? Weird.

People mention Tony Pollard getting 20 carries all the time ... Bet Zeke has run sweeps and tosses more often than Pollard has had 20 carries?

 

[RonnieT24]

You’re barely able to have a reasonable discussion in a sports forum. You’re not in any position to be hating on people in general. But you do you.

I’m sorry you like Zeke so much that it gets in the way of your ability to recognize that RBs outside the first round make starters in this league with regularity, but it’s the case.

This is fair.. however by the same token 3 of the best 5 or 6 QBs in the league (Russ, Dak, Brady) were taken outside of the first round.. Frankly I am never going to be that guy who cares about where a player is drafted or how much his paycheck is. He can either play or he can't. If he can I want him on my team and if he can't I want him off. People spend far too much time and energy on crap that doesn't matter.. People don't like Dak's throwing motion so he must not be accurate.. let's ignore the fact that he completes 68% of his passes.. Joe Internet expert says he's not accurate so that should be accepted as gospel. Likewise people have convinced waste time arguing that Zeke doesn't get as many yards as he did before because now he stinks.. Then when it's countered that his line stinks, when it was good before the argument shifts to Zeke was never any good without the great line.. in which case why are we arguing about his decline? If he has always sucked then what are we mad about? Oh yeah.. his paycheck.. We can't let him get a paycheck that is larger than what we Joe Internet expert has deemed to be his worth.. Because if he was good enough to deserve the paycheck he gets he would not need blocking because back before his decline he looked great.. but since that was great when he had blocking so he must be in decline except when he gets blocking he looks great again but...... but ... but...

You know what concerns me about Zeke? How much he's gonna gain on his next carry..

Everything else? Paycheck?, tattoos?, noserings?, hairdo?

Meh...

 

[RonnieT24]

Zeke used to be a "Porsche." Nowadays, he's far more of a power runner than a speed merchant. That is what I've been explaining for some time now. Elliott isn't the sort of an athlete who faithfully and dutifully keeps himself free of the party life that many athletes religiously avoid. This has long been his operational mode since his early days in college and throughout his professional career. Those who prefer to be believing otherwise are simply kidding themselves. The team hasn't been misusing him nearly as much as his lifestyle has abused him and his physical well being for too many years now.

You really should take a break from this constant character assassination of this kid. His current live in girlfriend is an RN whom he loves and more importantly Mama Elliott loves.. one of the reasons she does is because of the impact she has had on Zeke. Zeke has reportedly become much more of a home body who would rather spend time with his girl than out partying. As with a lot of young guys with a lot of money.. it sometimes takes a good woman to settle their arses down. Zeke seems to have found his.. which is why you don't hear a peep about his off field activities anymore and haven't in a couple of years. I hope the young lady stays in his life because I like grown up Zeke better. If he gets back out there on the prowl we could see more issues..

 

[CATCH17]

Elliott's production has a direct effect on win probability, whether you think so or not.

Because teams with a lead run the ball more. See Zeke..

Teams that are behind throw the ball more. See Dak..

 

[Bullflop]

You really should take a break from this constant character assassination of this kid. His current live in girlfriend is an RN whom he loves and more importantly Mama Elliott loves.. one of the reasons she does is because of the impact she has had on Zeke. Zeke has reportedly become much more of a home body who would rather spend time with his girl than out partying. As with a lot of young guys with a lot of money.. it sometimes takes a good woman to settle their arses down. Zeke seems to have found his.. which is why you don't hear a peep about his off field activities anymore and haven't in a couple of years. I hope the young lady stays in his life because I like grown up Zeke better. If he gets back out there on the prowl we could see more issues..

Nobody is assassinating his character . . . he's one of our best players and will likely remain as such for a while yet. The fact that he's a party animal is and has been, well documented throughout his career, both in college and to this day. That's anything but the whole story, sir. Aside from that, my criticism of him is anything but "constant," although, there are surely others that do.

Many great athletes aren't poster boys for having squeaky clean habits, although, they still manage to distinguish themselves throughout their careers.

Let's not confuse being human with being of unsound character. That was not my intention, nor should it justifiably be perceived as such. As human beings, we all have our faults. That doesn't necessarily render us as unfit for praise. Zeke is still a great RB in my book, all faults aside.

 

[RonnieT24]

Because teams with a lead run the ball more. See Zeke..

Teams that are behind throw the ball more. See Dak..

This is far too simplistic.. because it ignores the fact that teams tend to have an identity.. Yes teams who are ahead run more and teams who are behind pass more.. but what do they do when it's tied? Or just a close game either way? Passing teams pass.. running teams run.. In short, teams do what they do.. The Vikings were behind the Cowboys for most of the game Sunday.. did they stop giving Cook the ball? The Falcons kept passing in the Super Bowl against the Pats despite being up 28-3 with under 20 minutes left in the game. We all know how that worked out..

 

[G2]

Because teams with a lead run the ball more. See Zeke..

Teams that are behind throw the ball more. See Dak..

This really doesn't illustrate anything, lol. And, it wasn't my point.

 

[blueblood70]

This is far too simplistic.. because it ignores the fact that teams tend to have an identity.. Yes teams who are ahead run more and teams who are behind pass more.. but what do they do when it's tied? Or just a close game either way? Passing teams pass.. running teams run.. In short, teams do what they do.. The Vikings were behind the Cowboys for most of the game Sunday.. did they stop giving Cook the ball? The Falcons kept passing in the Super Bowl against the Pats despite being up 28-3 with under 20 minutes left in the game. We all know how that worked out..

and when Russ threw pick instead of handing it to Beast mode..momentary lapse of judgment on that call..

 

[RonnieT24]

and when Russ threw pick instead of handing it to Beast mode..momentary lapse of judgment on that call..

I give Russ a pass on that one because he was only in his 3rd? year and probably not comfortable overruling the coaches at that point.. I guarantee you if they sent that play in to current Russ he'd laugh and change it at the line to a run..

 

[LACowboysFan1]

So if Zeke has declined since 2016, what is the reason?

Age? He's 25 years old. Still young.
Injury? Never has had an ACL or MCL tear, or any significant injury.
Number of carries? 1340, average 20.30 a game, not excessively high.
Attitude? He got in trouble several times early in his career, what about lately? No, has settled down (as far as we know).
Contract? He doesn't want another big deal in a few years? If so it behooves him to play well, otherwise he's cutting his own throat.

Maybe there's another reason, but what?

Or else it's just as I've said, teams have lots of film and game play on him, they have learned how to compensate for his strengths/moves/formations, etc.?

Inquiring minds want to know....

 

[Idgit]

This is fair.. however by the same token 3 of the best 5 or 6 QBs in the league (Russ, Dak, Brady) were taken outside of the first round.. Frankly I am never going to be that guy who cares about where a player is drafted or how much his paycheck is. He can either play or he can't. If he can I want him on my team and if he can't I want him off. People spend far too much time and energy on crap that doesn't matter.. People don't like Dak's throwing motion so he must not be accurate.. let's ignore the fact that he completes 68% of his passes.. Joe Internet expert says he's not accurate so that should be accepted as gospel. Likewise people have convinced waste time arguing that Zeke doesn't get as many yards as he did before because now he stinks.. Then when it's countered that his line stinks, when it was good before the argument shifts to Zeke was never any good without the great line.. in which case why are we arguing about his decline? If he has always sucked then what are we mad about? Oh yeah.. his paycheck.. We can't let him get a paycheck that is larger than what we Joe Internet expert has deemed to be his worth.. Because if he was good enough to deserve the paycheck he gets he would not need blocking because back before his decline he looked great.. but since that was great when he had blocking so he must be in decline except when he gets blocking he looks great again but...... but ... but...

You know what concerns me about Zeke? How much he's gonna gain on his next carry..

Everything else? Paycheck?, tattoos?, noserings?, hairdo?

Meh...

It’s just a matter of efficient use of resources. Once the cost is sunk, I agree: just worry about production.

RB is a position you can and should fill after the first round.

QB is trickier, because it’s a position that takes so much time to acclimate and develop pro skills a lot of the time. Coaches and GMs are reluctant to make that commitment to a guy outside the first round—top ten picks, really. The guys that make it are the ones who slip for physical or scheme reasons but who are able to go and never look back as soon as they get done reps. You’re right that they’re out there, though.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I give Russ a pass on that one because he was only in his 3rd? year and probably not comfortable overruling the coaches at that point.. I guarantee you if they sent that play in to current Russ he'd laugh and change it at the line to a run..

The man won a Super Bowl. If he had any temerity about "overruling" the coaches I'd think that went out of the window with that accomplishment. And even after only 3 years pretty sure the coaches had told him they had confidence in his play-changing decisions.

Hey, no quarterback is perfect, not even Russell Wilson, they all make mistakes, he doesn't need a pass on the decision...