Zimmer - Next Season

[Maikeru-sama]

I think you mean OL.

Zimmer's unit played awful last year -- add a CB and a new DL and bingo, you've got a solid D.

It is hard to coordinate an offense that can't get consistent blocking.

Actually, I think this defense is good enough to dominate and win a Super Bowl.

My biggest problem with Zimmer and it may be Parcells telling him to do this is his late game when we have a lead play calling.

I do not understand why you backup and play CUSHY, zone, prevent, Cover 2 Defenses when you are not leading by much and your aggressive style has been SPOT ON for the entire game thus far.

When you play these CUSHY zones late in the fourth quarter, you have scenarios where if the Quarterback gets time and the Receiver(s) run fly patterns and everyone on defense is doing his job, you would have Receivers one-on-one with Keith Davis and Roy Williams, which is how it is designed.

You guys know this.

Why on earth would you pay Anthony Henry (im talking Wash, Seattle, Giants Games) all of this money and why on earth would you pick Terence Newman 5th overall if you are not going to let them earn their money, stay agressive and go after the Quarterback late in the 4th Quarter when that has been working all game? This Secondary rivals the secondary in the 90s and we have what Dan Patrick likes to call "Big Boys". Glenn, Henry, and Newman are big boys (hell Newman proved that his rookie year) and it would not hurt to go after the Quarterback alot more then we have been late in the 4th Quarter.

After the Commanders game, I pretty much had enough of Zimmer. Very good coach, but there is nothing wrong with critiquing the guy and trying to upgrade that position.

Another thing that bothers me about Zimmer is how he chooses to attack the QB. To me, Zimmer only blitzes or plays the man.

I never seen him do what I call "weird stuff". Stuff Denver did to try to confuse Bledsoe, like having it's Defensive Ends backoff and play a zone. Playing mind games with quarterback by not blitzing them when you want to attack but putting people in coverage that a QB wouldnt think would be, just out of the box stuff that I saw Marvin Lewis' defense doing against the Colts (they lost the game but their DC did all kinds of stuff that would have confused any QB other not named Peyton Manning).

I have just seen other DC's call games and just thought Zimmer lacked some of their creativity.

Yes, I would not mind having Zimmer as a coordinator if I had to take a team to a Super Bowl and had to name a DC, but I have every right to critique this DUDE after every game, every month, every season etc etc etc.

 

[jazzcat22]

I never cared for Zimmer all that much, but could see his good side also. I say this mostly because I never cared for his ill-timed blitzes. I blame many 4th quarter losses on him. Either we had a lead, or if we could have stopped the other team, we had a chance to go and score and tie or go ahead. But he seemed to always blitz on a 3rd and long, some of 20 or 30 yards. and we got burned every time, or say 90%. This was as frustrating as Phil Pozderics false starts back in the mid 80's and cost us games. Anyway, he has better talent now, but every so often, we still get burned on those 3rd and longs, but not as often.

Now by switching to the 3-4, and remember he really did not have a complete off season to learn this, because he had to wait until FA and the Draft to get the players he has now. So I am willing to see what he does with a complete season, off season, more talent next year and see the progress. But also, it won't hurt my feelings if he was replaced, but why rock the boat if things are improving. Give him another year, it can't be worse, only get better.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

I still don't think Zimmer is a good DC. He still plays the same "bend-but-don't-break" style that he always has. He still cannot design a decent blitz package, and still can't find a way to put pressure on the QB even with the talent we have and the switch to the 3-4.

I disagree, this defense has put pressure on the opposing QB, while every pressure may not equal sacks the pressure is evident.



The bend don’t break philosophy is a result of risk taking. If you are overly aggressive and get burned it puts your offense in catch up mode, we all know that BP likes to control the tempo of the game by capitalizing the game clock. If your defense gets outplayed it changes the dynamic of the entire game. This philosophy has worked well this year. You guys can blast him for last year all you want, but look at the CB position last year. What chance did the defense have realistically with the players we had manning that position?



Zimmer has done a incredible job as DC when you consider what he has had to work with. With the talent picked up this off season I expected a renewed defense and that is exactly what happened. #6 is nothing to sneeze at.



Jon

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Oh, I forgot to add

I just get this weird feeling sometimes that Zimmer/Parcells still thinks he has the 2003 talent on his roster.

In 2003, in most of the games up until the New England game on ESPN (after that I think we started to play very passive), the Dallas Cowboys had a very great reputation for really doing alot of Zero Coverages and bringing the House and Kitchen Sink.

I remember we all here discussed why they would call these types of blitzes and they were calling them alot and the consensus was they knew they couldnt get to the QB without it and the corners were suspect so the ball needed to come out of the opposing QBs hands quickly to have a chance.

IMO, when you get guys on your squad that are playing at a high level like Newman, Henry, Ellis, Ware, Canty and Glenn etc etc, you GET even more aggressive because those corners can now actually man-up on just about anybody.

I want the Zimmer from 2003 to resurface and dare anybody to beat Newman, Glenn, and Henry.

But of course PIs would skyrocket like crazy lol.

 

[joseephuss]

Actually, I think this defense is good enough to dominate and win a Super Bowl.

My biggest problem with Zimmer and it may be Parcells telling him to do this is his late game when we have a lead play calling.

I do not understand why you backup and play CUSHY, zone, prevent, Cover 2 Defenses when you are not leading by much and your aggressive style has been SPOT ON for the entire game thus far.

When you play these CUSHY zones late in the fourth quarter, you have scenarios where if the Quarterback gets time and the Receiver(s) run fly patterns and everyone on defense is doing his job, you would have Receivers one-on-one with Keith Davis and Roy Williams, which is how it is designed.

You guys know this.

Why on earth would you pay Anthony Henry (im talking Wash, Seattle, Giants Games) all of this money and why on earth would you pick Terence Newman 5th overall if you are not going to let them earn their money, stay agressive and go after the Quarterback late in the 4th Quarter when that has been working all game? This Secondary rivals the secondary in the 90s and we have what Dan Patrick likes to call "Big Boys". Glenn, Henry, and Newman are big boys (hell Newman proved that his rookie year) and it would not hurt to go after the Quarterback alot more then we have been late in the 4th Quarter.

After the Commanders game, I pretty much had enough of Zimmer. Very good coach, but there is nothing wrong with critiquing the guy and trying to upgrade that position.

Another thing that bothers me about Zimmer is how he chooses to attack the QB. To me, Zimmer only blitzes or plays the man.

I never seen him do what I call "weird stuff". Stuff Denver did to try to confuse Bledsoe, like having it's Defensive Ends backoff and play a zone. Playing mind games with quarterback by not blitzing them when you want to attack but putting people in coverage that a QB wouldnt think would be, just out of the box stuff that I saw Marvin Lewis' defense doing against the Colts (they lost the game but their DC did all kinds of stuff that would have confused any QB other not named Peyton Manning).

I have just seen other DC's call games and just thought Zimmer lacked some of their creativity.

Yes, I would not mind having Zimmer as a coordinator if I had to take a team to a Super Bowl and had to name a DC, but I have every right to critique this DUDE after every game, every month, every season etc etc etc.

No one is above being criticized. You have every right to do that to Zimmer. You sound logical. Some posters do not. They make comments that don't match what has happened on the field. It doesn't make sense.

I think Parcells likes passive or maybe better described conservative defense. The Giants played a lot of Cover 2 when he was head coach. They also had a simple defensive game plan. It was called Lawrence Taylor. It is amazing how one great pass rusher can make a defensive scheme look so good. Ware is nowhere near that level and more than likely never will. I thnk Ware will become a very good pass rusher over time. His presence has already opened up some things for other players on the team.

How can a defense not be consistent with the turnover it has had? The 2004 defensive roster lost 2003 starters Blade, Ekuban, Edwards and Woodson. That is over 1/3 of the defense. I am not saying that Blade, Ekuban and Edwards were good players. Those positions needed to be upgraded. There were plenty of threads talking about needing to get a pass rusher on the right side, getting rid of Mario and finding a nose tackle. There was even talk of finding someone to replace Woody. In 2004, those 4 spots were manned by guys that weren't any better than the 2003 players. Actually, they were much worse. That is sad. In addition, Dexter Coakley's play really fell off. He lost a step and just was not playing well in 2004. Even Newman and Williams didn't play as well as 2003, but when so many other positions are so bad, it kind of spreads to the rest of the team. There was nothing to work with and that doesn't even include the back ups.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I never cared for Zimmer all that much, but could see his good side also. I say this mostly because I never cared for his ill-timed blitzes. I blame many 4th quarter losses on him. Either we had a lead, or if we could have stopped the other team, we had a chance to go and score and tie or go ahead. But he seemed to always blitz on a 3rd and long, some of 20 or 30 yards. and we got burned every time, or say 90%. This was as frustrating as Phil Pozderics false starts back in the mid 80's and cost us games. Anyway, he has better talent now, but every so often, we still get burned on those 3rd and longs, but not as often.

Now by switching to the 3-4, and remember he really did not have a complete off season to learn this, because he had to wait until FA and the Draft to get the players he has now. So I am willing to see what he does with a complete season, off season, more talent next year and see the progress. But also, it won't hurt my feelings if he was replaced, but why rock the boat if things are improving. Give him another year, it can't be worse, only get better.

Sup neighbor. I live right next door to you in Irving.

Small world...

 

[Famous Star]

Zimmer is not the answer....he's not creative, and his schemes never allow THE BOYS TO HUNT, and be true BALLHAWKS.

When Dom Capers is fired as head coach of the Texans, we need to scoop him up to take over as Defensive Coordinator. He did a great job with those Steeler defenses before taking over in Carolina........He's intimate with the 3-4 and would do wonders with the talent we have, as well as adding playmakers like Leron Laundry or Huff out of Texas......

 

[WoodysGirl]

Zimmer is not the answer....he's not creative, and his schemes never allow THE BOYS TO HUNT, and be true BALLHAWKS.

When Dom Capers is fired as head coach of the Texans, we need to scoop him up to take over as Defensive Coordinator. He did a great job with those Steeler defenses before taking over in Carolina........He's intimate with the 3-4 and would do wonders with the talent we have, as well as adding playmakers like Leron Laundry or Huff out of Texas......

Capers = overrated

His defenses haven't done a thing worth mentioning SINCE the Carolina years...

 

[Trip]

Actually, I think this defense is good enough to dominate and win a Super Bowl.

My biggest problem with Zimmer and it may be Parcells telling him to do this is his late game when we have a lead play calling.

I do not understand why you backup and play CUSHY, zone, prevent, Cover 2 Defenses when you are not leading by much and your aggressive style has been SPOT ON for the entire game thus far.

When you play these CUSHY zones late in the fourth quarter, you have scenarios where if the Quarterback gets time and the Receiver(s) run fly patterns and everyone on defense is doing his job, you would have Receivers one-on-one with Keith Davis and Roy Williams, which is how it is designed.

You guys know this.

Why on earth would you pay Anthony Henry (im talking Wash, Seattle, Giants Games) all of this money and why on earth would you pick Terence Newman 5th overall if you are not going to let them earn their money, stay agressive and go after the Quarterback late in the 4th Quarter when that has been working all game? This Secondary rivals the secondary in the 90s and we have what Dan Patrick likes to call "Big Boys". Glenn, Henry, and Newman are big boys (hell Newman proved that his rookie year) and it would not hurt to go after the Quarterback alot more then we have been late in the 4th Quarter.

After the Commanders game, I pretty much had enough of Zimmer. Very good coach, but there is nothing wrong with critiquing the guy and trying to upgrade that position.

Another thing that bothers me about Zimmer is how he chooses to attack the QB. To me, Zimmer only blitzes or plays the man.

I never seen him do what I call "weird stuff". Stuff Denver did to try to confuse Bledsoe, like having it's Defensive Ends backoff and play a zone. Playing mind games with quarterback by not blitzing them when you want to attack but putting people in coverage that a QB wouldnt think would be, just out of the box stuff that I saw Marvin Lewis' defense doing against the Colts (they lost the game but their DC did all kinds of stuff that would have confused any QB other not named Peyton Manning).

I have just seen other DC's call games and just thought Zimmer lacked some of their creativity.

Yes, I would not mind having Zimmer as a coordinator if I had to take a team to a Super Bowl and had to name a DC, but I have every right to critique this DUDE after every game, every month, every season etc etc etc.

I don't think these reasons you've listed are good reasons at all to get rid of the DC.

You stated two main problems that you have with Zimmer: (1) late game situations playing prevent defense and (2) creativity rushing the passer.

Late game situations : This is clearly a TEAM STRATEGY and not a Zimmer preference. If Parcells doesn't want Zimmer to change strategy in late game situations, then all he has to do is tell him keep doing what he's doing, not look for a new DC. You are basically saying that Zimmer's a good DC, until the end of games when he apparently forgets what he's doing. Sorry, that doesn't make any sense to me. Lets change our end game strategy and keep the DC we have. This is easily corrected.... unless it's really Parcells that mandates this type of strategy. Zimmer is the DC but the HC ultimately has the final say in how the team approaches every situation.

Lack of creativity rushing the passer: The Cowboys are 4th in the NFC in total defense. They lead the NFC in time of opponents possession (26:30) and the biggest reason for this is the team gets off the field on 3rd down, only two teams in the NFC do it better than Dallas at 32.9% success rate. Dallas has 29 QB sacks and only three NFC teams have more, and when you remember they are on the field far less that most other teams it's pretty impressive. The one area I would like to see improvement is turnovers, as the defense is currently ranked 9th in the NFC. However, they are only 1 turnover from 7th and a good finish to the season could land them in the top 5-6 teams, and this is the first year in the 3-4 and we have a young defense.

Overall I am satisfied with what Zimmer has done in our defense, and I think we have far more problems on offense, and I wonder what it's going to take for people to get off this guys back.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

where's Wolverine?

 

[Mike 1967]

IMO it does not matter one way or the other.

At the end of the day I would hold that Parcells is accountable for the success or failure of the defense.

The 3-4 is his scheme and he has a very huge say on the players that are selected to play in it.

I would say, however, that Zimmer does appear to be a good teacher.

 

[jazzcat22]

Sup neighbor. I live right next door to you in Irving.

Small world...

Yes it is.
I may be over that way tonight if I get a chance. A very good and close friend is starting to bartend at the Benninghan's off of 183 and Esters. About a 5 minutes drive for me. A super hot blonde.

Close enough I may hide a 'pipe' in my truck for her

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yes it is.
I may be over that way tonight if I get a chance. A very good and close friend is starting to bartend at the Benninghan's off of 183 and Esters. About a 5 minutes drive for me. A super hot blonde.

Close enough I may hide a 'pipe' in my truck for her

Wow

I live off of 183 and 161 (George Bush).

Oh, Im sure you will find a way to make it over there .

- Mike G.