Zoners: More DMAC and PACMAN predictions--WOW!

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T-minus 33 days 'til Draft Day, and I'll give you my guess (and let's be honest-- we're all guessing) about the top of the draft. By top, I mean the top 10.

1. Miami. Virginia DL Chris Long. If Bill Parcells is going to guarantee anyone $33 million, it's going to be a 24/7 football player who he'd trust to marry one of his daughters. And Chris Long is as trustworthy as they come, in a personal and football sense.

2. St. Louis. Ohio State DE Vernon Gholston. The Rams got 5.5 sacks last year from their defensive ends. That's 5.5. Total. Their best one, Leonard Little, is 33 and coming off toe surgery. There might be no team in the NFL needier at the rush spot than this team, and Gholston is tailor-made to come off the edge on the carpet of the Rams' home dome.

3. Atlanta. LSU DT Glenn Dorsey. Trust me. The Falcons' new GM, Thomas Dimitroff, is a very big Dorsey fan. And for all you out there who say, "No! You can't take a guy with a bum leg with the third pick in the draft,'' I would advise you to remember two things. One: Dorsey never missed a game due to injury in his LSU career. Two: Anthony Munoz was flunked on his pre-draft physical by 14 teams. Fourteen! And he only went on to be one of the greatest offensive tackles in the last 40 years.

4. Dallas (acquired in trade from Oakland). Arkansas RB Darren McFadden. Count me among those who think the Jerry-loves-Darren stuff is very real. If it costs Jones the 22nd and 28th pick in the draft, it's fine with him. Imagine the Cowboy offense with McFadden. The best 1-2 punch at running back in football, hands down. Very good young quarterback. Good-enough receivers. Very good 1-2 punch at tight end. A left tackle who can hold speed rushers off the quarterback. Dallas could be Patriot-like on offense next fall with McFadden.

5. Kansas City. Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Just a hunch, though they'll have trouble passing on Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long.

Strange thing here. At the combine, Carl Peterson told me the Chiefs loved Ryan, but there was no way they could take him because of their needs elsewhere. (Offensive line, I'm guessing.) Then they sent half the front office to his workout the other day at BC. Methinks Carl does not want to be the man to pass on the guy he thinks will be a franchise player. The other thing this does is buy coach Herman Edwards one more year of rebuilding. Even if the Chiefs go 5-11 this year, they couldn't whack Edwards until after they got a really good look at Ryan.

6. New York Jets. Michigan OT Jake Long. You and I and everyone else who does these things believe there's no way Long lasts 'til number six. And he probably won't. But funny things happen in unpredictable drafts like this one.

The benefit for the Jets: If D'Brickashaw Ferguson continues to be a C-plus left tackle, Long could play the right side this year, then the coaches could decide who'd be the best left tackle in 2009. But here's my view if Ryan's there: The Jets will hold an auction and try to get two first-day picks for this slot.

7. New England. USC DT Sedrick Ellis. Go back to those not-so-thrilling days of the 2007 playoffs. The man who is supposed to be the difference-maker on the New England defense, end Richard Seymour, played 12 postseason quarters against a decent but hardly murderers' row of left tackles -- Khalil Barnes (Jags), Marcus McNeill (Chargers) and David Diehl (Giants). Seymour's pass-rush line from those 12 quarters: zero sacks, zero quarterback hits. Seems like Seymour's gone pretty unscathed for that three-week no-show, which I would think, in Boston, would be something like Manny Ramirez having zero extra-base hits in three playoff series.

So I'm sure the Patriots want someone to collapse the pocket and a corner, not necessarily in that order. But I would be stunned if the Pats did not go for the best available front-seven player with this pick that it obtained from San Francisco via a trade in last year's draft.

The Pats are in an interesting spot. Don't put it past them to trade up if they've decided Gholston or Dorsey is the guy they simply have to have. Even if they sit at seven, they'll likely get one of the four most highly regarded linemen -- Chris Long, Dorsey, Gholston or Ellis. And if those four are gone, maybe USC outside 'backer Keith Rivers is there for them. In any case, New England should come out of the top 10 with a premier front-seven player.

8. Baltimore. Tennessee State CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. The Ravens have no corners of the future, which, with a risk-taking defensive boss like Rex Ryan, is going to get them killed. Rodgers-Cromartie not only will have to make the jump from mid-major football to the NFL, but also he'll have to be ready to play opening day, with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed jumping down his throat if he screws up.

9. Cincinnati. Florida DE Derrick Harvey. Five names here. Glen Collins. Pete Koch. Jason Buck. John Copeland. Justin Smith. What do they have in common? They are the five first-round defensive end picks by the Bengals in the last 30 drafts, and none made it big. Not a one of them made a Pro Bowl. Now that the underachieving Smith is gone, it's time to find an edge force again.

10. Detroit (acquired in a trade with New Orleans). Illinois RB Rashard Mendenhall. Matt Millen deals up from number 15 to get a 227-pound back with 4.4 speed ... and coming off a 1,600-yard season with every defensive eye on him every snap. Nice back for the plastic grass of Ford Field.
 

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Like i've been saying.

If this moves gets us in the Superbowl then its worth overspending on.

Jerry wants a WOW player. Connect the dots people. We're going to try and make a trade for somebody. Whether it be McFadden, or a Vet WR.

Our organization loves McFadden and they have let it be known before the guy even had his Jr year.
 

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Here is a thought. Jones is probably as happy as he can be letting all of these media outlets spin his "move up in the draft" desires for him. That way, one of these teams at the front of the draft may actually give him a can't miss deal just so that team can get the extra picks that they need to rebuild and not have to invest all of their money in one player when they need so much more to turn their team around.
 

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And I think he's dogging this pretty well.

McFadden would be the guy.

I also think if it happens with Oakland and Al Davis..we could also see us moving a couple of players stuck in our logjam at LBer maybe being sent along with those draft picks.

The reason being, just like letting Fergie go for essentially a bag of beans..

If we take a guy like DMAC..we are going to need to unload some cap to do it..which means either trading or cutting a couple of positions.

And Oakland is in need of affordable players to help their rebuilding. Guys like Carp and Ayodele are ideal candidates to re-boot their careers there...especially being they have current contracts that are not cap busting.

I think the whole potential of any trade up to get DMAC hinges on where Dallas feels it can get their help at WR and CB. If they firmly beleive that the 2nd-3rd rds. can fill those 2 positions..

..then I see the big trade for DMAC.

I still don't rule out Miami also springing this trade and taking our #1's. If Miami wants to trade Jason Taylor, they certainly will get fair value for him, too..meaning another high draft pick in with our 2 #1's and they look brilliant doing it.

It's going to be interesting. And it all revolves around how much Jones wants that marque RB..hmmm...?

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Joe Rod;2009144 said:
Here is a thought. Jones is probably as happy as he can be letting all of these media outlets spin his "move up in the draft" desires for him. That way, one of these teams at the front of the draft may actually give him a can't miss deal just so that team can get the extra picks that they need to rebuild and not have to invest all of their money in one player when they need so much more to turn their team around.

If your a team picking in the top 5 this is definetely a great year to trade down imo.

We are in a win/win situation regardless of what we do imo.
 

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CrazyCowboy;2009099 said:
4. Dallas (acquired in trade from Oakland). Arkansas RB Darren McFadden. Count me among those who think the Jerry-loves-Darren stuff is very real. If it costs Jones the 22nd and 28th pick in the draft, it's fine with him. Imagine the Cowboy offense with McFadden. The best 1-2 punch at running back in football, hands down. Very good young quarterback. Good-enough receivers. Very good 1-2 punch at tight end. A left tackle who can hold speed rushers off the quarterback. Dallas could be Patriot-like on offense next fall with McFadden.
Anyone else catch that comment?
 

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Just my thoughts but:

Dallas trades a 5th to Tenn for Pacman.
Dallas trades a 2nd, and Akin to Detroit for RW.
Dallas trades both 1's and possibly a player to Oakland for DMac. (maybe Spears, but not sure on cap impact)

Dallas uses #3 on a NT. (so they can move Ratliff back outside)
Dallas uses #4/#6 on best CB/WR to develop.

Dallas uses it 7th on a small school flyer to develop ie... Romo.
 

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Dalmations202;2009181 said:
Just my thoughts but:

Dallas trades a 5th to Tenn for Pacman.
Dallas trades a 2nd, and Akin to Detroit for RW.
Dallas trades both 1's and possibly a player to Oakland for DMac. (maybe Spears, but not sure on cap impact)

Dallas uses #3 on a NT. (so they can move Ratliff back outside)
Dallas uses #4/#6 on best CB/WR to develop.

Dallas uses it 7th on a small school flyer to develop ie... Romo.

Would take your draft and run with that..no doubt.

Jupiter would be aligning with Mars for that to happen though..

I think actually more players than Spears would be on the trade block to go after DMAC. Because we are going to have to slice some cap off the roster to afford DMAC at $30mil guarranteed. I'd also look at Carp and Ayodele as being cap casualties and probably trade bait with any team looking to do a deal with us.

It's going to need to be a Part II of the Hershel Walker trade only with us being the Vikes to make it happen. We are going to need to let go of alot more than our #1's to make it work.

Which makes it start to break down. I don't know that we want to give 3 #1's up for DMAC..that 3rd #1 pick rated player being a Spears or a Carp, both being former #1's..just to get DMAC.

We'll see.

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big dog cowboy;2009152 said:
Anyone else catch that comment?

I caught that too. They must be referring to Crayton as the 2nd TE because after his performance in the Playoffs he isn't a #2 WR. :banghead:
 

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I still don't buy into this DMac hype. I just don't see us giving up 2 or 3 picks, or a couple picks and a player, to move up and get one guy. Just don't see it.

And I don't see anyone in the top 4 who is going to move down from the top 4 to the 22nd spot.
 

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The draft kicks off April 26 at 3 p.m.

Really? :eek:

If so, that's great. I have an autism walk in the morning and my son's baseball game is at 12:30 p.m.

Of course, I'll miss a karate tournament later that day, but I can sacrifice something for the sake of the draft. :) ;)
 

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BraveHeartFan;2009249 said:
I still don't buy into this DMac hype. I just don't see us giving up 2 or 3 picks, or a couple picks and a player, to move up and get one guy. Just don't see it.

And I don't see anyone in the top 4 who is going to move down from the top 4 to the 22nd spot.

I agree. However, if the Raiders are interested in a running back, I could see Al accepting #22 and #28, Carpenter and Spears and I could see Jerry Jones making such a trade.

Al still gets a running back (Stewart, Jones, Johnson - the latter two having the speed Al covets) and gets a few more guys to plug into his defense.

I think it's highly unlikely but a possibility nevertheless.
 

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CATCH17;2009140 said:
Like i've been saying.

If this moves gets us in the Superbowl then its worth overspending on.

Jerry wants a WOW player. Connect the dots people. We're going to try and make a trade for somebody. Whether it be McFadden, or a Vet WR.

Our organization loves McFadden and they have let it be known before the guy even had his Jr year.

Actually Jerry played coy, he has never said anything publicly about wanting McFadden till after he declared.

If he had done it before his Jr. year, he'd be guilty of violating league rules which prohibit you from talking about players still at school.
 

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Redball Express;2009187 said:
Which makes it start to break down. I don't know that we want to give 3 #1's up for DMAC..that 3rd #1 pick rated player being a Spears or a Carp, both being former #1's..just to get DMAC.
One of the many reasons we won't make a deal for him.
 

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I'm sorry, I'm very pro-McFadden, but I don't see it happening... not after the Galloway column where he talked with Jerry, and indicated that the priority was finding a top receiver for opposite TO...

We all know the names mentioned are Roy Williams, Anquan Boldin and Chad Johnson... I see Jerry getting the move done for one of them (I have no idea who they'd target first, I'd love to see Roy Williams playing for the Boys), and it's gonna cost one of the first round picks, for sure...

I think the Boys will be focused in on drafting a top corner with their remaining first rounder (Talib, Cason are reasonable possibilities), then a top running back in the second (Jamaal Charles, Kevin Smith, Ray Rice may still be on the board)...

I'm disappointed, but it looks like no D-Mac for Big D... even so, a first day of Aqib Talib, Roy Williams and Jamaal Charles would take a lot of the sting away for me... :D
 
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