Z's All or Nothing Thoughts

[Corso]

Yes, completely different situation between Zeke a Dez.

Zeke appeared to be just mentally worn down.

Dez was like a spoiled 5 year old kid.

Dooley made Dez worse, not better.

Dooley's not NFL material. Shoot, he's barely college material.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

IF that is going too far I think you would be super disappointed by some of the stuff that goes on when you get a bunch of 20 year old pro athlete millionaires in a competitive environment.

I guess people think these guys fall in line like it's the military or something? I don't know.

See that’s the problem Catch....Dez is thirty years old and should be the veteran leader, not acting like a twenty year old rookie.

But like I said, ok you think it’s positive and I think that one segment was far from it. We agree to disagree!

 

[Kaiser]

Exactly....some are reading waaay too much into a few snapshots of guys behaviors.

Plus Zeke came into the NFL when he was 20 years old, which is a factor. He also had huge success from the start as a rookie Pro Bowler, which is also a factor.

Two years into his career Dez was still a hothead. Whatever you think of Dez, he played 8 years for this team and went to three Pro Bowls. Given time and patience, Zeke will probably contribute even more to the franchise.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Dooley's not NFL material. Shoot, he's barely college material.

He really seemed “not that good”!

 

[Kaiser]

Dooley made Dez worse, not better.

Exactly, I don't think you can find a single example of good position coach having every one of his squad having down year at the same time.

 

[CATCH17]

Plus Zeke came into the NFL when he was 20 years old, which is a factor. He also had huge success from the start as a rookie Pro Bowler, which is also a factor.

Two years into his career Dez was still a hothead. Whatever you think of Dez, he played 8 years for this team and went to three Pro Bowls. Given time and patience, Zeke will probably contribute even more to the franchise.

And we used to praise Dez because he was a hot head and praise him for wanting to win. He'd go at veterans like Roy Williams.

Dez was all in on winning and he stayed that way throughout his career.

What Dez did not deal with well was the bumps in the road but it wasn't some type of cancer to the team. Himself? Sure.

Dez Bryant is a momentum guy and when you have bad QB play, Dak who can't get the ball to his X & Z, and coordinators that bow down to whatever the defense gives then it's just clinic on how to kill the prime years of a stud WR like Dez's career.

 

[Creeper]

I don't care how Garrett looks in an edited documentary. It how he coaches in games that makes him a bad coach. He sucks a time management, doesn't have his team prepared to play for too many game, especially big ones, is late making adjustments, and allows his team to make too many bonehead plays. HE might act like Vince Lombardi in but locker room, but he coaches like Vinnie Barbarino on the field.

 

[Ddisco22]

The assistant coaches were more of baby sitters then coaches. The RB coach was letting Elliot show up late. WR coach was letting Dez dictate to him. Lol. That crap wouldn’t fly with me. I would have plenty of tape in all my guys showing there mistakes and how to get better from the beginning instead of that open forum atmosphere.

look at previous season of AON, the college coaches seemed more involved. These guys had no input during meetings for real, Jones family sitting in on daily meetings, what a mess!
That's crazy!

 

[Kaiser]

And we used to praise Dez because he was a hot head and praise him for wanting to win. He'd go at veterans like Roy Williams.

IMO there were multiple reasons for the down year in 2017 and it was the things you list, but some was on Dez also.

I've never understood the criticism of guys like Dez, 90% of top WRs are the exact same way. TO made an art form of it. Jerry Rice was the same way but it was pre-Social Media and the press treated him differently.

I have a friend that knew Dick Motta, the former Mavs coach. Motta used to say that the only key to success was finding kids that had the absolutely insane ego to believe they were the best in the world, but who still had the common sense to listen to coaching (even if only a little). He said most of the top NBA players were that way, I'm sure the NFL is no different.

 

[Corso]

IMO there were multiple reasons for the down year in 2017 and it was the things you list, but some was on Dez also.

I've never understood the criticism of guys like Dez, 90% of top WRs are the exact same way. TO made an art form of it. Jerry Rice was the same way but it was pre-Social Media and the press treated him differently.

I have a friend that knew Dick Motta, the former Mavs coach. Motta used to say that the only key to success was finding kids that had the absolutely insane ego to believe they were the best in the world, but who still had the common sense to listen to coaching (even if only a little). He said most of the top NBA players were that way, I'm sure the NFL is no different.

Coach Pop is known to say he's likes players that are "over themselves"... huh.

 

[CATCH17]

IMO there were multiple reasons for the down year in 2017 and it was the things you list, but some was on Dez also.

I've never understood the criticism of guys like Dez, 90% of top WRs are the exact same way. TO made an art form of it. Jerry Rice was the same way but it was pre-Social Media and the press treated him differently.

I have a friend that knew Dick Motta, the former Mavs coach. Motta used to say that the only key to success was finding kids that had the absolutely insane ego to believe they were the best in the world, but who still had the common sense to listen to coaching (even if only a little). He said most of the top NBA players were that way, I'm sure the NFL is no different.

Dez definitely deserves some blame..

He dropped way too many passes for a WR of his caliber and emotionally he hurt himself by focusing too much on negative things.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Today I learned that if I use a lot of f-bombs I can be an NFL coach.

 

[reddyuta]

I only watched a few episodes but Zeke is the most worrisome to me going forward,Garrett has to get him right mentally from game 1 ..

 

[Aviano90]

Exactly....some are reading waaay too much into a few snapshots of guys behaviors. Btw not all coaches are good teachers, especially in classroom setting. Maybe excellent on the field or one-on-one teachers but poor presentation skills.

We can only read into what is there to be read into. Last year, there were people claiming something was off with Zeke. He looked like he was slower and gained weight.

This was met with heavy opposition. How dare people claim something was wrong with Zeke?

Now All or Nothing comes out and the glimpses of Zeke aren’t one of a player working hard, but glimpses of him being late, looking hung over, disinterested, and lazy.

Kind of explains to me the slow start he had last year.

 

[Floatyworm]

Something to tuck away for later....Where the hell was Terrence Williams in that whole series? I think that is really telling..not one scene w/ him in it...Wouldn't shock me ....he has played his last down in Dallas.

 

[Zordon]

Something to tuck away for later....Where the hell was Terrence Williams in that whole series? I think that is really telling..not one scene w/ him in it...Wouldn't shock me ....he has played his last down in Dallas.

he's a quiet low key guy. Believe it or not, he's a hard working guy and good dude.

 

[Zordon]

We can only read into what is there to be read into. Last year, there were people claiming something was off with Zeke. He looked like he was slower and gained weight.

This was met with heavy opposition. How dare people claim something was wrong with Zeke?

Now All or Nothing comes out and the glimpses of Zeke aren’t one of a player working hard, but glimpses of him being late, looking hung over, disinterested, and lazy.

Kind of explains to me the slow start he had last year.

Your description of Zeke was on point. He always looked like he was getting over a bad hangover. He goes out ALOT in Dallas. He's also developing a rep around town for being a prick. I found it interesting that Dak sounded skeptical that Zeke would stay disciplined while in Mexico.

 

[punchnjudy]

If Sean Lee misses time again, can we let him step in as DC?

Also, I'm not completely through it, but does Rush ever speak? Grunt? Burp? Anything?

The player's wives all seemed normal, which is good. But then again Zeke isn't married yet...

 

[Zordon]

good post Z.

Comments on your comments.

This is the 2nd time under JG the WR room has been totally re-made. First was post T.O. when that room revolted on Garrett. --those old WRs hate that dude still, literally hate him.

JG is absolutely going to be hired elsewhere if he fails here. He is exactly what owners are looking for minus big wins. And you don't have many options with those wins. Jerry was never gonna fire JG with his Dad in very poor health.
Jerry still cries talking about his own father's passing.

OL room has always been good because it's always had the right kind of leaders. Free and those guys were never primadonnas and Tryon is the quietest, nicest, most humble Mr Olympia winning looking dude you could ever meet.
Fredbeard is so genuinely happy and hard-working. OL is just a really good group and I love investing in talent for that group because it's likely to pay off and excel. ---May all our daughters date OL, rofl.

WR room.. yea, it's tough. BUT be aware that WR room had never really had a down year as a GROUP before.
Romo had huge passing numbers anytime they were healthy and with back up bums or year 1 of a rookie QB they had no expectations.
Last year that room felt the heat and pressure. They weren't getting open fast enough for a battered OL that was down 3 starters from 2016 with the season on the line: Free, Leary and Tyron.

With Jerry/Stephen auditing position meetings you know guys were going to be fired.
My boss jumps in and starts attending my daily/weekly meetings and I am updating my resume, lol.
A lot was made of Jerry speaking after a game and to me that is a nothing burger.
But, yes, attending positional meetings is a different level. Those coaches had to know what was coming.

There will be at least one GM out there willing to put Garrett's failures squarely on the Jones family and the culture here. This is a big departure from what I used to think about Garrett's future head coaching prospects.

That being said, I think Jerry is going to give Jason a few more years. I saw fatigue in Jerry's face for the first time during this documentary. Last season had to take a toll on Jerry. The man is going to hit a wall one day, I think it's coming soon. I don't think he has the heart/energy for another coaching staff change. It's Jason or bust.

 

[punchnjudy]

About 10 minutes into episode 1 you can hear Garrett's preference for conservative QB play (...if it's there get it out quickly. If it's not give it to 21...). He says a lot more than that but you can hear his enthusiasm for that type of play. That's not something that's right or wrong and he's certainly not alone (Parcells would probably say something similar), but I think it will be hard to win a lot that way without a defense that's really top notch. As I've posted before, our third and long (8+ yards) conversion rate through the air (14.3%) was ranked right near the bottom of the league. That mentality will get you there. Quality defenses usually won't allow someone to quickly get open beyond the sticks. A cyborg like Brady might be able to read a defense quickly enough to bust a 3rd and 10 with an underneath throw that perfectly splits a zone, but most QB's require more time.