Football 101: The Talent Evaluation Process

Wait, so the GM has to be the guy focused on talent evaluation, not all that other stuff, but also has to be in charge of hiring and firing.

This gets funnier.

And it still ignores the fact that the owner has the final say anyway. Ask Bruce Arians.
 
Hostile;4421180 said:
Wait, so the GM has to be the guy focused on talent evaluation, not all that other stuff, but also has to be in charge of hiring and firing.

This gets funnier.

And it still ignores the fact that the owner has the final say anyway. Ask Bruce Arians.
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I don't know what's so funny about it. The GM runs the entire football operations side of things.

He's not an assistant director of personnel, he's the general manager.

The owner has the final say in who works for him. But no decent owner makes decisions for his GM.
 
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What's with the lolwut and the others... If it wasn't clear, I mean that I don't care if you call Jerry the King Figurehead, or the Grand Poobah of Football Operations, or the Head Ringmaster of the Dallas Cowboys: If he's hiring and firing coaches, making trades for players, and having the final say on draft picks, he's effectively the GM. Just like Parcells was in Miami, whether he had the exact title or not.
 
Chocolate Lab;4421195 said:
What's with the lolwut and the others... If it wasn't clear, I mean that I don't care if you call Jerry the King Figurehead, or the Grand Poobah of Football Operations, or the Head Ringmaster of the Dallas Cowboys: If he's hiring and firing coaches, making trades for players, and having the final say on draft picks, he's effectively the GM. Just like Parcells was in Miami, whether he had the exact title or not.
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I just really wanted to post the LOL,WUT picture. It has nothing to do with your post.

I agree with your post.
 
Risen Star;4421182 said:
I don't know what's so funny about it. The GM runs the entire football operations side of things.

He's not an assistant director of personnel, he's the general manager.

The owner has the final say in who works for him. But no decent owner makes decisions for his GM.
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Fairy tale.

Pioli ran them in New England, Hoodie was the GM. Kraft still can over ride either of them, and Nick Caserio runs them now.

Colbert did not fire Arians, Art Rooney II, the owner, did.

Ciskowski is far more involved in the football operations than Jerry Jones. For that matter, so is Stephen.

You think Mike Brown does it all in Cincy, with no assistance?

Jim Irsay is the one handling the Peyton Manning situation in Indy. Not the newly hired GM.
 
Hostile;4421200 said:
Fairy tale.

Pioli ran them in New England, Hoodie was the GM. Kraft still can over ride either of them, and Nick Caserio runs them now.

Colbert did not fire Arians, Art Rooney II, the owner, did.

Ciskowski is far more involved in the football operations than Jerry Jones. For that matter, so is Stephen.

You think Mike Brown does it all in Cincy, with no assistance?

Jim Irsay is the one handling the Peyton Manning situation in Indy. Not the newly hired GM.
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That's a touchy situation and it would be unfair to put that on the new GM, he would be seen as the bad guy to all the Colts fans.

Just like when Parcells took over, it was JJ that released Emmitt not Bill.
 
birdwells1;4421202 said:
That's a touchy situation and it would be unfair to put that on the new GM, he would be seen as the bad guy to all the Colts fans.

Just like when Parcells took over, it was JJ that released Emmitt not Bill.
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Wait, I put nothing on the new GM. The premise presented was GMs have final say on all football matters.

No they do not. Not one GM (who is not also an owner) was in the CBA negotiations. Those are football matters. Every one of the situations above are examples where that premise is not true and there are others.

If Jeffrey Lurie tells his GM that he doesn't want a dog killer on his team is Michael Vick wearing Cunningham's number in Philly? That is a football decision.

That is why I say you guys are hung up on the title and not looking at the job being done. By all means, find Ciskowski as your new patsy if you need one, but the fact is and none of you can refute it, he is the talent evaluator, and a damn good one.
 
Hostile;4421200 said:
Fairy tale.
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Sorry, it's true. What you present is the real fairy tale. It's not even supported by your own owner.

Pioli ran them in New England, Hoodie was the GM. Kraft still can over ride either of them, and Nick Caserio runs them now.
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All owners can technically override anyone. But they don't. If you're expecting me to believe that Robert Kraft is taking in all information and making decisions on player acquistion, you're kidding yourself. You need to try that with somebody else. I know better. Kraft is the anti-Jerry. He hires qualified people to run his team and then gives them the freedom to do their jobs.

Ciskowski is far more involved in the football operations than Jerry Jones. For that matter, so is Stephen.
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He's far more involved in scouting players. But he doesn't have the power to make the decisions. He's an assistant to the assistant.

You think Mike Brown does it all in Cincy, with no assistance?
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No. When did I ever say a GM does it all? Of course he has staff and delegates. But he maintains the direction and the final say. And there's accountability all around.

This is why Jerry refuses to hire a real GM. Because he'd have to give up that final say. If a GM was anything close to what you try to describe, Jerry would have no issue with bringing one in as merely another voice in the room.
 
Hostile;4421208 said:
That is why I say you guys are hung up on the title and not looking at the job being done.
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The job being done?

Do you mean one of the least successful teams in the league over a 16 year period?

I'm not that impressed with the job performance, to be honest.
 
Why are the Jerry supporters cherry picking the detractors (chocolate lab and risen star) comments and only responding to small portions?The litmus test should be our history since 1995. Changes everywhere except the top.Gee. I wonder where the problem lies?
 
Here's how the back to back AL Champ Texas Rangers owners do it. This is Bob Simpson, one of the two main owners of the Rangers, on the very subject of owner involvement.

"I believe and trust them [the baseball operations staff]. They’ve done a lot of work. It goes back to are you going to support the organization or second guess them? You’re much better off getting real people that know what they’re doing than trying to call plays behind them. If you think you can improve your management personally as an owner, you need to get somebody else and not do it yourself."

"I have to support my guys...I don’t try to invent the wheel. I'm certainly not going to pick baseball players. I support my staff, particularly as they get a track record that you say, 'These guys know what they’re doing.' Last year's acquisition of Adrian, he's worth the price of the ticket all by himself."

"Silly guys get in with big egos and a lot of money and make a mess. I don’t believe that’s going on here. You've got thoughtful spending behind superb management. That's a different model."
 
Man, I'd love to have that guy owning my football team. Those comments need to be hung up in the halls of Valley Ranch.
 
Chocolate Lab;4421255 said:
Here's how the back to back AL Champ Texas Rangers owners do it. This is Bob Simpson, one of the two main owners of the Rangers, on the very subject of owner involvement.

"I believe and trust them [the baseball operations staff]. They’ve done a lot of work. It goes back to are you going to support the organization or second guess them? You’re much better off getting real people that know what they’re doing than trying to call plays behind them. If you think you can improve your management personally as an owner, you need to get somebody else and not do it yourself."

"I have to support my guys...I don’t try to invent the wheel. I'm certainly not going to pick baseball players. I support my staff, particularly as they get a track record that you say, 'These guys know what they’re doing.' Last year's acquisition of Adrian, he's worth the price of the ticket all by himself."

"Silly guys get in with big egos and a lot of money and make a mess. I don’t believe that’s going on here. You've got thoughtful spending behind superb management. That's a different model."
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You can now close this thread.:post:
 
My last comments in the hopes this thread will finally die, or someone will open their eyes. Basketball, and now baseball...

I laid out Bill Parcells' comments with a link in post #25. You can either believe him or your fellow frustrated fans. But as for me and my house, we will listen to a man who was actually in the room. Especially when evidence mounts in every direction that the OP is correct in how football operations are handled.

I'll be dumping this in Jason Garrett's lap and I'm quite certain I know what the future holds under his watch.

If anyone else wishes to converse with me on this topic, please take it to PMs. The foil hats can have the last word.
 
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