It's about having a conscience

[shabazz]

Jones is not an egotist. He is a narcissist.

If you read these, I can make a good case for both.

Egotism

A tendency to talk about oneself in a self-promoting way
A belief that one is superior to others in intelligence and skill
A tendency to make selfish decisions that prioritize one's own status, power, and legacy


Narcissism

A more complex and problematic form of egocentrism
A constant need for praise or admiration
A tendency to brag or exaggerate accomplishments for recognition
A tendency to see that someone else's point of view but not care about it
A tendency to become annoyed or enraged when others fail to see things their way
A tendency to become exploitative
Relationship

 

[shabazz]

I read about the good he does quietly to support the disenfranchised. Asking no recognition for. That’s a quality man.
Again, this will fall on deaf ears, and I don’t really care. I just wanted to give my two cents worth.

It's been shown that some of these apparently benevolent people are often times the biggest abusers.

Throwing money to the "disenfranchised" while using that as a " get out of jail free card" has been used many times by the powerful.....and quite successfully, actually.

Doesn't matter to me though, I care more about his inability to change his " team building" idealogy

 

[KingCorcoran]

Well my good man I certainly agree with you that Jerry is a smack glass of the first order along with his son.

But I think if you had attended as many games at the old veterans stadium that I have attended Cowboys and Commanders games in particular you may have a different view of the eagles fans it really has to be lived to be appreciated.
Not just the games what happened in the parking lots I'm not even going to get into on this forum.
And don't ever expect the police on horseback to help you if you are being molested by eagles fans and you are wearing a cowboy jersey.

I’ve seen Eagles games at Franklin Field (age 13) and Veterans Stadium. Saw USFL Stars play at the Vet. Saw the Bell play Portland at JFK with over 50,000 people, and play the Hawaiians with less than 1,000. Philadelphia sports fans covet their reputation, but it’s nothing more than urban legend. They have fun with it.

 

[DallasEast]

If you read these, I can make a good case for both.

Egotism

A tendency to talk about oneself in a self-promoting way
A belief that one is superior to others in intelligence and skill
A tendency to make selfish decisions that prioritize one's own status, power, and legacy


Narcissism

A more complex and problematic form of egocentrism
A constant need for praise or admiration
A tendency to brag or exaggerate accomplishments for recognition
A tendency to see that someone else's point of view but not care about it
A tendency to become annoyed or enraged when others fail to see things their way
A tendency to become exploitative
Relationship

I have read them and understand you can. This topic has been around for some time (understatement). I know because I am one of the loudest voices whenever it comes up, lol. Other members have done the same as yourself.

Me? I would first repeat would I have said in the past but apply it to NFL owners. Most NFL owners have egos and could be labeled egotists in varying degrees.

Next, I would reflect upon example after example of behavior Jerry Jones has demonstrated for decades like...



... and laugh like Dan Patrick. Then I would revisit your definition breakdowns of both, compare Jones peers' behavior to his own, weigh the thoughts of a Professor Emerita of Psychological and Brain Sciences concerning both definitions and finally say

"Cool."

 

[shabazz]

I have read them and understand you can. This topic has been around for some time (understatement). I know because I am one of the loudest voices whenever it comes up, lol. Other members have done the same as yourself.

Me? I would first repeat would I have said in the past but apply it to NFL owners. Most NFL owners have egos and could be labeled egotists in varying degrees.

Next, I would reflect upon example after example of behavior Jerry Jones has demonstrated for decades like...



... and laugh like Dan Patrick. Then I would revisit your definition breakdowns of both, compare Jones peers' behavior to his own, weigh the thoughts of a Professor Emerita of Psychological and Brain Sciences concerning both definitions and finally say

"Cool."

My reference for that was AI on Google....perhaps "DeepSeek" would have been a better reference, lol

It's all good, nephew

 

[Wildcat711]

I read about the good he does quietly to support the disenfranchised. Asking no recognition for. That’s a quality man.
Again, this will fall on deaf ears, and I don’t really care. I just wanted to give my two cents worth.

Hasn't fallen on deaf ears.. I hear ya.. and am gobsmacked.

First time Ive ever heard.. "Jerry is a quality man."

Im sure we have all read enough to know what Jerry is like.. and "quality" aint it.

 

[kskboys]

I read about the good he does quietly to support the disenfranchised. Asking no recognition for. That’s a quality man.
Again, this will fall on deaf ears, and I don’t really care. I just wanted to give my two cents worth.

Then I appreciate him for that.

It's the insisting on being a GM even though he's absolutely terrible at it that I have a problem w/.

 

[fivetwos]

Well my good man I certainly agree with you that Jerry is a smack glass of the first order along with his son.

But I think if you had attended as many games at the old veterans stadium that I have attended Cowboys and Commanders games in particular you may have a different view of the eagles fans it really has to be lived to be appreciated.
Not just the games what happened in the parking lots I'm not even going to get into on this forum.
And don't ever expect the police on horseback to help you if you are being molested by eagles fans and you are wearing a cowboy jersey.

Oh I think we have some stories to exchange at some point.

My hated is much more about the fans than the Eagles

 

[kskboys]

If you read these, I can make a good case for both.

Egotism

A tendency to talk about oneself in a self-promoting way
A belief that one is superior to others in intelligence and skill
A tendency to make selfish decisions that prioritize one's own status, power, and legacy


Narcissism

A more complex and problematic form of egocentrism
A constant need for praise or admiration
A tendency to brag or exaggerate accomplishments for recognition
A tendency to see that someone else's point of view but not care about it
A tendency to become annoyed or enraged when others fail to see things their way
A tendency to become exploitative
Relationship

I think he's clearly both, though I'm not inclined to argue in a clinical way.

To me, they're closely related, and often manifested at the same time.

 

[Blackrain]

I’ve seen Eagles games at Franklin Field (age 13) and Veterans Stadium. Saw USFL Stars play at the Vet. Saw the Bell play Portland at JFK with over 50,000 people, and play the Hawaiians with less than 1,000. Philadelphia sports fans covet their reputation, but it’s nothing more than urban legend. They have fun with it.

The Bell that brings back memories my buddies dad owned part of that way back.
As far as urban legend goes the guy I watched with the 88 Jersey on that had been egged and was being told by the cop on horseback that he never should have worn that Jersey down here with the cops horse standing on his foot probably thought it was a little more than a legend. Lol

That's just one minor incident I saw.

 

[Acceptablename]

I actually don't care about your point!!! Sorry, it's not personal for me. I'd rather have a complete dirtbag criminal for a GM who knows how to put a super bowl winner together.

Did you also disagree with the OP?

 

[kskboys]

Did you also disagree with the OP?

I do not. Jerry is a self-absorbed JackA who has zero regard for anyone else. He has made it abundantly clear that he only cares about his own little wants and needs.

 

[Acceptablename]

I do not. Jerry is a self-absorbed JackA who has zero regard for anyone else. He has made it abundantly clear that he only cares about his own little wants and needs.

Beautiful example of cognitive bias. I get why but denying qualities a person has very simple naïve Picture. We’re all complex.

 

[Risen Star]

Considering the times we live in now, with another "billionaire treating us like peasants from a medieval time period", you could say Jones was a savant, far ahead of his time.

Double mask alert.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Why Jerry Why? Did you think that the Cowboys belonged just to you? Emotionally the Cowboys are owned by the loyal fanbase who want to win championships. What about us? It is so messed up by the way this man thinks. How does he have billions but can't make trades without getting the short end of the stick? Lots of questions, I apologize.

I remember many years ago when Jerry made a comment that the Cowboys were like Notre Dame or other American institutions that you don't actually own, but for whom you're just a temporary caretaker.

Obviously he was lying... again.

 

[mote]

Double mask alert.

What's this supposed to mean?

 

[Pokes12]

After listening to Bill Belichick talk on inside the NFL about after being in the parades that he could see how much it meant to the fan base to win the championship in New England and how much it meant to the city and the people in it and it really had an effect on him.
Jerry has no conscience he has no loyalty to his fan base there's no loyalty no sense of obligation to the city of Dallas and all the fans of the Cowboys.
The only thing he is loyal to is making the most out of his investment and doing whatever makes him the most money.

He has no morals no scruples no empathy for the suffering he puts his fan base through on a yearly basis.

I live in the Philadelphia area and yes they can be a horrible god-forsaken group of people but they love their football team and their owner loves the fan base and he knows what it means to them and strives to put the best team on the field at all times.
We've seen him make mistakes Chip Kelly Carson Wentz but the guy picks up starts from scratch and retools and creates winning teams because he doesn't quit on his fan base and sell out for just his own profit.

Jerry on the other hand has no conscience and quit on his fan base long ago to pursue strictly his own material gain at the expense of his fan base and City and it's really that simple He's just never going to do what's necessary to get us over the top.

It's always going to be some half-assed effort that makes him the most money and gives the fan base false hope strings us along and just dangles the carrot in front of our nose.

The man is a carnival Barker with the morals of an alley cat that has ruined America's team and will continue to take advantage of our loyalty to the star and use it to his advantage and his family after him will do the same thing that's where we're at as Cowboys fans

We are at the mercy of a billionaire who treats us like peasants from a medieval time period.

What are your thoughts

You make all the arguments I mulled in my head when I decided enough was enough. Watching Jones dismantle the legacy of the great Cowboys franchise is awful. Jerry has done nothing to improve the team in 30 years likely because he just does not understand the NFL like a general manager should. Jerry understands money, ego, narcissism very well but he does not have a clue about running a winning team.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jerry Jones has always put his own interests before the franchise's fanbase. There was never a time when he put Dallas' fans first and himself second.

A more recent reminder:



No person or venture group is altruistic enough buying a sports franchise for simply the entertainment of other people. Even in the late 1980's, H.R. Bright set his NFL franchise's value at $140 million. Even adjusted for inflation, low nine figures remain a level of investment very few individuals in the world can dream of. Jones bought what he envisioned would be a money-making machine for himself, not a satisfaction maker for fans.

From day one, Jones has always marketed the team as a continuation of the franchise's rich championship history. That was for the benefit of his fanbase, who are the main consumers of his professional football product.

Jones has never put fans' interests ahead of his. If he ever had, he would have modified his management philosophy in the pursuit of better, on-the-field results. Any observer should never dismiss this fact:

Jones had already established the league's number one revenue producing vehicle in the 1990's.​

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He fulfilled his goal for buying the Dallas Cowboys decades ago. He has adamantly refused allowing a different management philosophy running the football team. It has always been his way or no way. If that does not convince everyone he does not care about winning partially for the sake of the franchise's fans, nothing will.

Exactly. It is funny that after Jerry and his kids basically took a steaming pile on all fan considerations presented to them over the past 40 years you would think they wouldn't act surprised or as if this was new.