Whether you like Dak or not

birdwells1 said:


His contract has never been the albatross that the Joneses made it out to be. We need to keep the pressure on the real source of the problem, the Joneses.
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Nice try......this board has too many hoodwinked into thinking it's just Dak's fault.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
They both suck and they both hold the team back.

We've won more Super Bowls with Jerry as the GM than Dak has total playoff wins.

One is better at their job than the other. One has skins on the wall.
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Jerry only has skins on the wall because he originally let Jimmy handle everything - that has already been proven. Jerry is like the practice squad guy that gets a ring without ever playing a snap. As soon as he took over everything, the results went to $h!+!!!!! Almost 30 years worth…including giving an average player not 1, but 2 record (at the time) contracts. THAT’S ALL ON JERRY!!!!!
 
Runwildboys said:
Ya know, now that you put all that money in a list, I have to ask; Why in the world should anyone - not just Dak, but especially Dak - get that much money, for being just "okay" at his job?
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This is the crux of the Dak issue with me. I will never understand why Jerry thought that Dak deserved more money than a QB who has gone to 7 straight AFCCG's and 5 super bowls
 
JeffInDC said:
Jerry only has skins on the wall because he originally let Jimmy handle everything - that has already been proven. Jerry is like the practice squad guy that gets a ring without ever playing a snap. As soon as he took over everything, the results went to $h!+!!!!! Almost 30 years worth…including giving an average player not 1, but 2 record (at the time) contracts. THAT’S ALL ON JERRY!!!!!
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Without Jerry there would've never been Jimmy as the Cowboys coach.

Checkmate.

Dak sucks worse than Jerry.
 
Creeper said:
I think it has been made clear the Joneses do not believe in spending on free agents, regardless of the CAP situation. They have said as much repeatedly claiming that free agents are overpaid. Every year they find a free agent or two that costs them close to the minimum. They are completely inactive for the first 2 weeks of free agency. It has nothing to do with Dak.

But it is interesting that the OP does not include Dak's 2025 CAP hit of just under $90 million. That of course is going to hurt the Cowboys ability to spend in free agency. But it starts with their own guys. The Cowboys have a few free agents I am sure they would retain if not for the CAP. Guys like Lawrence, Lewis, Odighizuwa I am sure would be re-signed if not for the CAP. Signing Dak at a $90 million CAP hit is going to hurt. At some point, either this year or next if they restructure him again.

But unlike teh Eagles who are in a position to win multiple Super Bowls, the Cowboys are a long way from contending, which is why they should not be mortgaging their future now. Once they get closer to a winning team they can go all in.
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The 90 million cap hit doesn’t have to happen, Jalen Hurts cap hit was on 13 million on a 52 million per year salary. That’s where void years come into play.
 
Runwildboys said:
Ya know, now that you put all that money in a list, I have to ask; Why in the world should anyone - not just Dak, but especially Dak - get that much money, for being just "okay" at his job?
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There is so many players that can get the overall results he gets for much cheaper and you can build better teams around those guys than you can with Dak.

Also, with Dak you know he’s not a big game player. When the lights are bright his game gets worse.

So what exactly are you paying for? It’s dumb.
 
Johannes44 said:
Thats exactly what this franchise needs - kick the can down the road on a contract for a 30+ QB coming off a major injury.
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The only way to justify making Prescott the highest paid player in League history at $60M AAV is to go "all-in" during that window. The Jones boys have made their bed by giving that contract to Prescott. The can has already been kicked down the road.

Wouldn't it be great to win a SB during his window? Only way to do it is to spend big everywhere because he needs a loaded team around him to win (not unlike Hurts in Philadelphia). Sitting on their hands like they did last offseason is a complete waste of the big contracts given to Prescott, Lamb and soon to be Parsons.

The Eagles and Rams are the examples. Worry about down the road, down the road. Win in the window you create with big contracts by any means necessary.
 
acr731 said:
This is the crux of the Dak issue with me. I will never understand why Jerry thought that Dak deserved more money than a QB who has gone to 7 straight AFCCG's and 5 super bowls
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LOL, LOL, You really believe Jerry THOUGTH Dak was worth $60M????
Jerry knows Dak isn't worth $60M. The problem is he was too lazy to reset the position with a new QB. It's not hard to see.......Jerry could have made Dak the highest-paid QB at $56M ( $1M more than Burrow ) but instead gave him exactly what he was asking to avoid the hassles and stress of wondering if he would sign.
Hell, I'm 100 confident Dak knows he isn't worth $60M but if Jerry's going to pay it, I'll take it. I'm sure sometime after he is done playing, Dak will admit he would have taken $56M if Jerry had held his ground.
 
birdwells1 said:
The 90 million cap hit doesn’t have to happen, Jalen Hurts cap hit was on 13 million on a 52 million per year salary. That’s where void years come into play.
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No, it doesn't have to happen. They can convert his salary into bonus and prorate it over the next 5 years. But all that does it push his CAP number into the future or worse, after his contract expires which is one reason his 2025 CAP number is so high. It includes restructures from his previous contract.

This was my point about not mortgaging the future by pushing more CAP money into the future. The Cowboys are not going to fix everything in 1 year. There is no need to try. Take the $90 hit on Dak's contract this year. The his CAP number drops to $67 million in 2026. They can restructure CeeDee this year so that when Dak's CAP number comes down next year, CeeDee's goes up without causing a bigger problem.

Hurt's average salary of $52 million is a myth. He get to that number with option bonuses paid over the last 4 years of his contract. Those bonuses are pro-rated over 5 years including for 4 voidable years. He is getting almost $200 million in option bonuses paid over the last 4 years of his deal. They cut him he gets at most $110 million of his $255 million contract.
 
CowboyoWales said:
Let's be fair, that's another cherry picked incomplete stat just to support a spurious point about Dak. We all know Jerry's the problem and giving Dak that most recent albatross contract is one of his worst decisions.
If you want to say Jerry didn't spend in FA (yes).
However, Jerry did spend on his own and spent on extensions.
Jerry did restructure, to enable the 12-5 seasons (resulting in Daks new CAP hit equating to 70m per).
The 2025-2028 contract is a massive albatross as we're stuck with a QB that's probably going to lapse into a pocket sitter and just needs too many additional parts (both sides of the ball)...whilst having to do it on a restrictive 4 year contract (as we don't have the benefit of restructuring, into another contract).
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So I guess Burrows, Allen, Love, etc are similar albatross for their teams along with a couple more this year and at least 5 rookies will be in 2 more years all of which will top Dak's contract. Other than Mahomes who probably wins at least 2 to 4 more Super Bowls over the next 7 years means their will be about 10 to 15 albatross for those teams by your logic.

The problem is how the Jones handle the cap. Appears the Chiefs and Eagles aren't concerned about money down the road. And also, if the Eagles and Chiefs defenses weren't really good then neither team would have been in the Super Bowl this year.
 
Sandyf said:
So I guess Burrows, Allen, Love, etc are similar albatross for their teams along with a couple more this year and at least 5 rookies will be in 2 more years all of which will top Dak's contract. Other than Mahomes who probably wins at least 2 to 4 more Super Bowls over the next 7 years means their will be about 10 to 15 albatross for those teams by your logic.

The problem is how the Jones handle the cap. Appears the Chiefs and Eagles aren't concerned about money down the road. And also, if the Eagles and Chiefs defenses weren't really good then neither team would have been in the Super Bowl this year.
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The reason why the GMs of the Eagles and Chiefs aren't worried about the future so much is because if the don't win in the present then the future won't matter to them. The Joneses know that whether the Cowboys re 17-0 or 0-17 they'll be there so they look 5 years into the future because it matters to them. This attitude vs the GMs that are performing for their livelihood will never win.
 
birdwells1 said:


His contract has never been the albatross that the Joneses made it out to be. We need to keep the pressure on the real source of the problem, the Joneses.
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Why dont Cowboys fans pay attention
This is without the signing of our own players
 
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