Which model to you yields the best chance at SB?

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Long post incoming. This is not a thread to spend much time on why Jerry and/or Stephen suck and cannot build a SB winner-nor about the players on the Cowboys that suck and will not win a SB. There are plenty of threads for that discourse.

This is about your philosophy on what model you would focus on to build a SB championship contending roster. First, you would need to define what determines when a team can be close to universally considered a SB contender. Do you believe in windows of contention, and when you define it open and closed? What models have yielded the most consistent SB contenders historically? Which model is the easiest to plan out? Do you believe that teams need to clean house in a rebuild/reset situation when the team cannot achieve SB contention? Are some players untouchable/untradeable? What percentage of credit can you attribute to winning in this league (players vs front office vs coaching)?

I define SB contender as a team that at least gets to the CCG one year, and gets to the playoffs 66% or more of the time. However, I say the window of contention resets after 4 years if the team does not reach at least the CCG again in that timeframe. I think if a team goes 6 consecutive years with mostly the same core, and never reaches a CCG the team must move on from most of the core of the team that has played those 6 seasons.

From a historical perspective, finding an elite QB that you pair with a solid offensive line and at least one elite receiving option and a high end defense is the most consistent SB winning model. The problem is that the league has between 0-3 elite QBs most years. The league can easily go 5-10 years with no elite QB’s in the draft.

That is why I believe the easiest way to plan out a SB contending team is the other proven model. Building lines of scrimmage to elite levels to employ a strong running game and defense, with good receiving weapons to hit on playaction. Using a mobile QB that has the gumption to hit the playaction plays or use their mobility to run for necessary yardage-this model can be effective. This model is more difficult to repeat success in consecutive years because of the percentage of reliance on such a broad portion on the roster (injuries, free agency, etc).

I believe in the Jimmies and Joes theory much more than I believe in X’s and O’s. Systems and coaches get exposed routinely when too many elite players get lost to free agency or injury. Players can also get exposed as to their importance if a team continues to consistently win without them playing. For me, the front office is tied to the players they choose and thus make it the chicken and egg circle debate as to whom to credit/blame. I don’t bother assigning credit/blame to either side on big picture success/defeat because of their interdependency. Coaches to me only impact the overall success/failure by a percentage point or less in the huge bulk of teams. If the coach gets to handle many front office decisions, then that goes on the front office side of the ledger to me.

The team does need to settle on the model or identity that they are trying to achieve though. Both models require a front office that can identify talent and flaws of players and view them as commodities. No player should be untouchable, but proper valuation of each player is perhaps the most critical element of a successful front office. Constant vigilance and reassessment are necessary to keep the team going toward SB contention. It can mean a rebuild/reset is necessary to the current core of the team at times. Swiftly moving on from a once valued player can speed up the rebuild/reset. Delaying can damage the next rebuild/reset. Obviously, analyzing all potentially available players is ideal when making decisions of roster construction.
 
- Interview for the best candidate at every staff position.

- Scout well, draft BPA first and for need 2nd. Trade down when it makes sense.

- Sign a premier FA only when the move could put your team over the top or would be a vital piece, otherwise, sign FAs to fill gaps.

- Look for trades at the deadline to see if you can get a good talent for a cheap price and to see if you can unload surplus for picks/players.

- Run a competitive Training Camp that will help decide depth. If a 5th round pick is clearly outplaying a veteran on a big deal, start him.

- Hold players and staff accountable. Don't be afraid to fire a coach even though he's your friend or bench a player even though he has a big contract.
 
Hire the best GM and talent evaluators that can be found.

Get the best coaches out there. Steal them from other teams if need be.

I am a strong believer in building an elite-level offensive line. Find at least two PB/AP-level studs-three if possible-and pay them to stay. Build the line around those players. Any fan of this team knows how important our o-lines were to our rings. Keep feeding the line every draft. Build up depth. Do not let a prime Tyron Smith, Trent Williams, or Lane Johnson-type player leave the building. Ever.

Now do the same with the defensive line. two PB/AP studs should be enough. Can't have a star at every position.

Use FA's to fill gaps.

If you can't find an elite QB, find one that is very good in at least three aspects of play, one that can run your system with minimal errors and give him good weapons. To use the current SB winning QB as an example, he is very good with the deep ball, running, minimizing TO's, and has learned to read defenses quite well. Oh, he doesn't choke in the moment either. A team can win with a Jalen Hurts, Baker Mayfield, Matt Stafford or Jared Goff-type QB.

Add a ball-hawking DB and a good two-way safety.

Have above average special teams, no worse.
 
- Interview for the best candidate at every staff position.

- Scout well, draft BPA first and for need 2nd. Trade down when it makes sense.

- Sign a premier FA only when the move could put your team over the top or would be a vital piece, otherwise, sign FAs to fill gaps.

- Look for trades at the deadline to see if you can get a good talent for a cheap price and to see if you can unload surplus for picks/players.

- Run a competitive Training Camp that will help decide depth. If a 5th round pick is clearly outplaying a veteran on a big deal, start him.

- Hold players and staff accountable. Don't be afraid to fire a coach even though he's your friend or bench a player even though he has a big contract.
I like everything except....I would draft BPA in rounds 1-3. There are caveats to this. We don't want three TEs. Been there, done that. These first three round players have to be your starters or eventual starters. Go to FA for the needs if you can't fill them out in the draft.

Stock good NFL level talent like crazy and take the consequences of doing so later down the road. I have never heard of any team complaining about having too much NFL talent on their roster.

If you are loaded in one area use the trade route to go get yourself someone or more draft picks.
 
Run the ball and stop the run. Protect your QB and pressure the opposing QB. Get turnovers and don't give up turnovers.
 
Long post incoming. This is not a thread to spend much time on why Jerry and/or Stephen suck and cannot build a SB winner-nor about the players on the Cowboys that suck and will not win a SB. There are plenty of threads for that discourse.

This is about your philosophy on what model you would focus on to build a SB championship contending roster. First, you would need to define what determines when a team can be close to universally considered a SB contender. Do you believe in windows of contention, and when you define it open and closed? What models have yielded the most consistent SB contenders historically? Which model is the easiest to plan out? Do you believe that teams need to clean house in a rebuild/reset situation when the team cannot achieve SB contention? Are some players untouchable/untradeable? What percentage of credit can you attribute to winning in this league (players vs front office vs coaching)?

I define SB contender as a team that at least gets to the CCG one year, and gets to the playoffs 66% or more of the time. However, I say the window of contention resets after 4 years if the team does not reach at least the CCG again in that timeframe. I think if a team goes 6 consecutive years with mostly the same core, and never reaches a CCG the team must move on from most of the core of the team that has played those 6 seasons.

From a historical perspective, finding an elite QB that you pair with a solid offensive line and at least one elite receiving option and a high end defense is the most consistent SB winning model. The problem is that the league has between 0-3 elite QBs most years. The league can easily go 5-10 years with no elite QB’s in the draft.

That is why I believe the easiest way to plan out a SB contending team is the other proven model. Building lines of scrimmage to elite levels to employ a strong running game and defense, with good receiving weapons to hit on playaction. Using a mobile QB that has the gumption to hit the playaction plays or use their mobility to run for necessary yardage-this model can be effective. This model is more difficult to repeat success in consecutive years because of the percentage of reliance on such a broad portion on the roster (injuries, free agency, etc).

I believe in the Jimmies and Joes theory much more than I believe in X’s and O’s. Systems and coaches get exposed routinely when too many elite players get lost to free agency or injury. Players can also get exposed as to their importance if a team continues to consistently win without them playing. For me, the front office is tied to the players they choose and thus make it the chicken and egg circle debate as to whom to credit/blame. I don’t bother assigning credit/blame to either side on big picture success/defeat because of their interdependency. Coaches to me only impact the overall success/failure by a percentage point or less in the huge bulk of teams. If the coach gets to handle many front office decisions, then that goes on the front office side of the ledger to me.

The team does need to settle on the model or identity that they are trying to achieve though. Both models require a front office that can identify talent and flaws of players and view them as commodities. No player should be untouchable, but proper valuation of each player is perhaps the most critical element of a successful front office. Constant vigilance and reassessment are necessary to keep the team going toward SB contention. It can mean a rebuild/reset is necessary to the current core of the team at times. Swiftly moving on from a once valued player can speed up the rebuild/reset. Delaying can damage the next rebuild/reset. Obviously, analyzing all potentially available players is ideal when making decisions of roster construction.
You are discussing Chess strategies.
Our front office is discussing Checkers.
Your post would be over their heads.
 
Have an owner that wants to win his way and he gets the credit.
Diminish the importance of coaching.
Have the owner be the GM.
Have the owner get his kids involved in team personnel.
Ignore Free agency
Overpay your own only after every other team sets the market.
Avoid paying coaches unless they are still employed.

You may hang around the rim, but by golly, you're so close to a superbowl if you ignore winning in the wildcard, divisional or conference championship games.
 
didn't read it but it should have a clause about not paying the qb the biggest chunk of the pie and trying to fill all the other holes with okay guys, but hey we have dak and it's not like that here.
I guess that's why Schottenheimer's staff are working at running the football and bringing play action and motion to help Prescott .As crazy as it sounds Ol Jerry may be listening to the masses and letting the head coach call his own shots ,and hire his own staff.I'm optimistic about the future of the Dallas Cowboys.
 
1. Tank for franchise QB
2. Draft said QB and take advantage of 5 years of team friendly contract to load up the roster.
3. At the end of the 5 years let the QB walk and start over.
I've been saying for years....SOME team...at some point...is going to adopt this philosophy. Always have the strongest team and highest FA spending...and always have a cheap QB. And just tell the kid..."Look....play ur best...we'll cut you after 4 years, and you'll hit FA and have a bidding war on ur hands". Rinse..repeat, every 4 years.
 
Long post incoming. This is not a thread to spend much time on why Jerry and/or Stephen suck and cannot build a SB winner-nor about the players on the Cowboys that suck and will not win a SB. There are plenty of threads for that discourse.

This is about your philosophy on what model you would focus on to build a SB championship contending roster. First, you would need to define what determines when a team can be close to universally considered a SB contender. Do you believe in windows of contention, and when you define it open and closed? What models have yielded the most consistent SB contenders historically? Which model is the easiest to plan out? Do you believe that teams need to clean house in a rebuild/reset situation when the team cannot achieve SB contention? Are some players untouchable/untradeable? What percentage of credit can you attribute to winning in this league (players vs front office vs coaching)?

I define SB contender as a team that at least gets to the CCG one year, and gets to the playoffs 66% or more of the time. However, I say the window of contention resets after 4 years if the team does not reach at least the CCG again in that timeframe. I think if a team goes 6 consecutive years with mostly the same core, and never reaches a CCG the team must move on from most of the core of the team that has played those 6 seasons.

From a historical perspective, finding an elite QB that you pair with a solid offensive line and at least one elite receiving option and a high end defense is the most consistent SB winning model. The problem is that the league has between 0-3 elite QBs most years. The league can easily go 5-10 years with no elite QB’s in the draft.

That is why I believe the easiest way to plan out a SB contending team is the other proven model. Building lines of scrimmage to elite levels to employ a strong running game and defense, with good receiving weapons to hit on playaction. Using a mobile QB that has the gumption to hit the playaction plays or use their mobility to run for necessary yardage-this model can be effective. This model is more difficult to repeat success in consecutive years because of the percentage of reliance on such a broad portion on the roster (injuries, free agency, etc).

I believe in the Jimmies and Joes theory much more than I believe in X’s and O’s. Systems and coaches get exposed routinely when too many elite players get lost to free agency or injury. Players can also get exposed as to their importance if a team continues to consistently win without them playing. For me, the front office is tied to the players they choose and thus make it the chicken and egg circle debate as to whom to credit/blame. I don’t bother assigning credit/blame to either side on big picture success/defeat because of their interdependency. Coaches to me only impact the overall success/failure by a percentage point or less in the huge bulk of teams. If the coach gets to handle many front office decisions, then that goes on the front office side of the ledger to me.

The team does need to settle on the model or identity that they are trying to achieve though. Both models require a front office that can identify talent and flaws of players and view them as commodities. No player should be untouchable, but proper valuation of each player is perhaps the most critical element of a successful front office. Constant vigilance and reassessment are necessary to keep the team going toward SB contention. It can mean a rebuild/reset is necessary to the current core of the team at times. Swiftly moving on from a once valued player can speed up the rebuild/reset. Delaying can damage the next rebuild/reset. Obviously, analyzing all potentially available players is ideal when making decisions of roster construction.
Tom Bradys model was pretty good. She made a lot of money and allowed him to take less and the team was able to sign some quality players around him. That's a good model
 
There is no model. Lets kick that right off the table.

The NFL has tried to science that which cant be scienced. Horrible idea but lets face it, its like every sport, anything for a dollar and attention.

Most SB winners, if you track their seasons, come at different ways. some hit lightning in a bottle. some get lucky that other teams ran out of roster, and some get lucky that a player just happens to emerge. Some, just got lucky with a position being filled correctly.

Does Elway win without the RB.?

Does Eli win without a great defense?

Do the patriots win without playing a bad miami and bengal teams?

Does Patrick Mahomes win without Andy?

So many variables, i dont see how anyone can say "ok this is the model to win the SB" someone else is going to point out another factor and just be correct.
 
I still believe an elite QB with a great coach is the starting point.

Spare me the yada yada bull crap about building around a bus driver.
I can factually support both Super Bowl appearance and/or SB winner numbers as the vast majority of SB wins using this methodology as the primary means to ultimate NFL success.

And if the team has an excellent GM as well?

Well, you keep that trio together as long as they're productive.

The Dallas Cowboys are zero for 3 at the GM, HC and QB positions.

The team needs "at the very least" as a starting point, an elite QB to win in spite of Jerry.

Draft all the run stopping DTs you want.
The QB has still gotta win 4 consecutive playoff games to hit paydirt.
This current guy can't.
Regardless of coaching or personnel support.
Period.
 
Right now they are using the shotty/ jones model lol, so lets see what happens with that.

I wonder if some of you guys think the jones boys read threads here, and will see your good ideas,
and change their model etc.

Most owners, GM's, coaches are know it all's, so they rarely see ideas elsewhere.
Jerry and SJ think they are all knowing, so why would they read in a cowboy forum?
They wont hardly listen to anyone.
 
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