How do you bring DT: Hill's career back on track

[Verdict]

There’s a wide gulf between walk on starter and game day inactive. His career is not “fine” by any stretch. Not writing him off at all, but he’s a absolutely been a bust thus far

Im surprised so many have cut him slack for not being able to crack the 45 man game day active roster.

 

[conner01]

You will find out about hill in camp
Kinlaw looks perfect but I’m starting to wonder about knee
I seen a couple mocks recently he didn’t go in first which seems crazy

 

[quickccc]

while some will pin Hill's development on new DL coach Jim Tomsula, the guy that probably will have an even closer coaching tutor on Trysten, is still here and
retained as the DT assistant coach is Leon Lett.

In that area and phase, I do wonder what will be the difference between what Tomsula will want Lett to teach and guide the DTs with how Tomsula himself wants them to learn...vs how Marinelli wanted Lett to teach them.
I would think there had to be something about Lett that Tomsula was convinced to retain him as asst DL coach (DT).. rather than explore his own asst. coach from outside.

 

[Manster_Mash]

No amount of coaching is going to change the fact that Hill can't play. He was beyond pathetic last year. There is no way that that much improvement is possible. With a new coaching staff in place now, I'd be shocked if this bum is not cut during the preseason.

 

[starfan1]

Will he be there when we pick.

I doubt it but if he is you run that pick up to the commish

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How do you bring DT: Hill's career back on track? You bring it back on track by drafting Javon Kinlaw 6'-6" 320lbs beast in the middle. Just like the defensive end position, you need a tandem at the DT position that compliment each other and forces OL to switch protections up constantly. This guy is Dallas's Fletcher Cox and it's a perfect fit.

What's the motto in Texas, everything is bigger?

if he is there when we pick, then we take him and don't look back. look at SF and their 5 deep DL and what it did for that defense...just like we did in offense, you build inside out.

 

[Stash]

Hill's career is fine. People in here thought he was a 1st rounder that would walk onto the field and get 5 sacks a game or something. He was a very late 2nd rounder! The Cowboys knew he was raw and need some work. This this next summer is when we can start picking apart his game some.

BTW, how is Kinlaw's knee? Until I know he doesn't have a medical condition he is off my draft board.

Hill's career is the opposite of "fine".

"People in here" apparently think it's "fine" to be inactive all year, when a struggling defensive line needed all the help it could get.

It's not "fine" that the team had to go out and trade for Michael Bennett because they had nothing from Hill.

Not "fine" when the kid is sleeping during meetings.

Not "fine" when he's sent home for showing up late.

He's a bust until he proves otherwise. One foot out the door and the other on a banana peel.

Nothing "fine" about Trysten Hill or his career.

I'm surprised to see you attempt to make these kinds of excuses for him.

 

[mrmojo]

Hated the pick, all the while seeing much better players available and this is what we get. He either shows up this preseason or he should be cut and everyone moves on.

 

[starfan1]

Hill's career is the opposite of "fine".

"People in here" apparently think it's "fine" to be inactive all year, when a struggling defensive line needed all the help it could get.

It's not "fine" that the team had to go out and trade for Michael Bennett because they had nothing from Hill.

Not "fine" when the kid is sleeping during meetings.

Not "fine" when he's sent home for showing up late.

He's a bust until he proves otherwise. One foot out the door and the other on a banana peel.

Nothing "fine" about Trysten Hill or his career.

I'm surprised to see you attempt to make these kinds of excuses for him.

Im going to try and be optimistic and blame part of it on the coaching. But all i heard was this high motor the guy had but all i seen was a piss poor work ethic. I hope he can recover and have a good career. Nothing in life comes easy without hard work.

 

[Stash]

Im going to try and be optimistic and blame part of it on the coaching. But all i heard was this high motor the guy had but all i seen was a piss poor work ethic. I hope he can recover and have a good career. Nothing in life comes easy without hard work.

From everything I have seen and heard about him, the guy was a turd.

He made all of these ormises to Marinelli and suckered him and this team into drafting him. And then confirmed all of the pre-draft rumors about him. To the point that by the end of the season, "Marinelli was done with him" too.

And I have never seen an intelligent, competent, scheme-sound player, watching his film, even watching his highlights. He's an undisciplined dog chasing cars out there. A guy who doesn't know what he's doing, or how to react to what's happening around him. And nothing I have seen or heard has done anything but to reinforce all of it.

There is no onus on me to change my perception of him. The onus is all on him to change the current narrative that he is a failure and a bust.

 

[Hennessy_King]

We ALL want Kinlaw. Only problem is, he’s not lasting until our pick.

This 100%

 

[Hennessy_King]

I wasn't thrilled with the Taco pick but when we picked Hill I threw my remote. I basically sat there all the way up to our pick hoping rapp and thornhill will be there and that some other team will take this bum. I couldn't even imagine that as dumb and senile as jerry is that with both those safeties there he would still reach and take this 4th round kid because of the awful coach that is bumanelli. I don't want to hear them ever say best player available again.

 

[phildadon86]

We ALL want Kinlaw. Only problem is, he’s not lasting until our pick.

Would have been nice not to win that meaningless game at the end of the year again.

 

[Stash]

I wasn't thrilled with the Taco pick but when we picked Hill I threw my remote. I basically sat there all the way up to our pick hoping rapp and thornhill will be there and that some other team will take this bum. I couldn't even imagine that as dumb and senile as jerry is that with both those safeties there he would still reach and take this 4th round kid because of the awful coach that is bumanelli. I don't want to hear them ever say best player available again.

The true crime was ever listening to Old Man River in the first place.

But then, after Taco proved to be a mistake and then Marinelli's Rushmen got flat out embarrassed and were the reason your playoff run ended, they listened to the old fool again!?!?!?

That's the definition of insanity right there.

But hey, when Jerry doesn't know better and Garrett simply doesn't know anyone else and thinks the guy can still coach, that's what they do. And that's what we all get.

Marinelli gets fired.

Garrett gets fired.

And the Cowboys are left with nothing to show for 2017's 1st rounder and 2019's 2nd rounder. And the entire defensive line is bare.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I don’t have a problem with drafting a “project” at any position if a project has potential. But you should reach for a project at the premium picks in the draft (first three rounds) unless that player is a QB.

Agree, your premium picks should be contributing in some way not be inactive on game day.

 

[Stash]

Would have been nice not to win that meaningless game at the end of the year again.

Ooh, but that's Garrett's specialty! It's what he does! Or did anyway. His last middle finger to this organization on his way out the door.

 

[kskboys]

right he we saw what happened last time he had a coaching change :-/

You're equating hiring McC as HC to hiring JG as HC? Day drinking?

 

[kskboys]

I never really liked the pick. I didn’t see what Rod kept saying Hill had. I would love to be proven wrong by the kid.

It’s hard to tell what we have because our defensive coaching was so bad last year. Even really good players can get frustrated with bad coaching.

Its a wonder that Jarwin wasn’t like a mad dog watching Witten play in front of him all year long.

Hill has a tremendous first step. Among the best in the NFL for DT's. That's what they saw.

Now, that doesn't mean he was 2nd round talent. I would've been happy if we'd have taken him in the 4th or later, just not in the 2nd.

 

[beware_d-ware]

One thing I will say for Hill, in the 2 late-season games where he got any run, he had 2 tackles in about a dozen snaps against the Bears, and 2 tackles including a TFL on a similar snap count against the Bills. For that sample size, that's good production.

His mental state scares the hell out of me, as he seems to want football even less than your average lazy player, but I think the talent is there in a way it never was with Taco. I hated that guy even at Michigan.

With that being said, you can see that look with players where they lose all confidence and just quit, and from there, there's pretty much no hope of saving them. Mo Claiborne storming out of the locker room after giving up a game losing TD to the Rams and Taco getting benched and *****ing on social media are the first two that come to mind. Sometimes a fresh start with a new team can kick-start their career, but I can't think of a Cowboy who lost that mojo and then got back in the saddle with the team.

There's a decent chance that Hill enters the season as a starter, just because we are about to have a straight-up purge on the DL and he's one of the few guys left under contract. But if he gets benched or otherwise gets frustrated, look out.

 

[CouchCoach]

Drafting Kinlaw, which would take a trade up, wouldn't increase Hill's value, rather show what a mistake it was to draft the lazy oaf. He laid down on the guy that went to bat to get him, one of the few that believed in him. He's a waste of air and food.