Mr. Brady come on down

[Philmonroe]

I am not a numbers guy. I am a looking at the tv screen guy and seeing, yes, definitely a struggling offense, and a defense that barely helped out a struggling offense with a turnover or 2. Both sides of the ball need help. IMO, the defense needs more. And, they haven't addressed it.

Well if you're a looking at the tv guy your screen must not be in HD. No offense but look at them scores against most of the playoff type teams and tell me how many of those games were really bad numbers wise. Yeah they could've got a turnover or two but that's not how turnovers work. This isn't madden where you press the right button at the right time viola balls out and there's your turnover. I agree we need D help but I think the numbers on O have people blinded we need help at the most important position on O.

 

[Redline360]

Some of you act like Brady is a washed up bum. Outside of Edelman his offensive weapons were putrid at best and they never got on the same page since training camp. He still however played better than half the quarterbacks in the league.

If you think about it Dallas has EVERYTHING he needs at this point in his career. Dominate oline for protection, premier RB that takes pressure off him as he can no longer carry the offense like previous years and two 1000 yard recievers in coop n gallop.

We're one of the few teams that has everything he needs. However it will never happen

 

[75boyz]

If I could get Burrow I would happily take that, but with the 17th pick I think the odds of improving on Dak are pretty slim, and in fact, the odds would be greater of hurting the team.

Yeah, any type move up scenario where future picks and players as well are being offered on draft day is my preference. The current defense of this team is not good enough without an elite talent at QB which Dak surely is not. Change at QB is the only answer imho. His last year's performance confirmed my thinking.

 

[Bullflop]

By then he will be 31 years old.....

We could all wish him a happy birthday and congratulations for replacing Cooper Rush, at the very least.

If Tom Brady can last into his forties as he has, someone in great shape like Taysom Hill might do the same.

 

[Diehardblues]

And give him #12. Move over Roger. No one would be more worthy . I’d be first in line for a Jersey.

Can you hear me Jerry. I’d buy a frikin Jersey .

And give you some credit for actually getting serious about winning with a HC and QB.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Well if you're a looking at the tv guy your screen must not be in HD. No offense but look at them scores against most of the playoff type teams and tell me how many of those games were really bad numbers wise. Yeah they could've got a turnover or two but that's not how turnovers work. This isn't madden where you press the right button at the right time viola balls out and there's your turnover. I agree we need D help but I think the numbers on O have people blinded we need help at the most important position on O.

Fair enough. My TV is of course in HD. Too bad the defensive players didn't make more plays on defense, to help a struggling Offense. That's how it works. Maybe the defensive players can view film in HD and in Dobly of course.

Madden. Pfft.. Save it son.

 

[Diehardblues]

i thought colin said about 3wks ago on his show that he didnt think Brady was leaving...now the time is right....i cant keep track of all the things he says.
he's got both sides covered.

He’s flips pending popular opinion.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We could all wish him a happy birthday and congratulations for replacing Cooper Rush, at the very least.

If Tom Brady can last into his forties as he has, someone in great shape like Taysom Hill might do the same.

I’d agree if he got hit as much as Brady. Who knows. He seems like a gadget player to me that just works well in that system.

 

[Bullflop]

I’d agree if he got hit as much as Brady. Who knows. He seems like a gadget player to me that just works well in that system.

It's probably a longshot at best -- Nawleans would likely want to keep him around, anyway. If we had someone we were going to cut anyhow, maybe it'd work out well for both teams. Otherwise, it likely won't happen. I think he'd at least be a good replacement for Rush, who's not too mobile, himself. Just a thought, though.

 

[OmerV]

Yeah, any type move up scenario where future picks and players as well are being offered on draft day is my preference. The current defense of this team is not good enough without an elite talent at QB which Dak surely is not. Change at QB is the only answer imho. His last year's performance confirmed my thinking.

The question is, who are those elite QBs? Outside of Brady, Rodgers and Brees at or near their peak, and Wilson and Mahomes, it seems to me the rest of the NFL is left with less than an elite QB. And that kind of "elite" QB obviously is hard to come by, otherwise we wouldn't have to go back to draft classes between 15-20 years ago to come up with 3 of the 5 elite.

It seems most teams have to find a way to build a team around a good, but less than elite, NFL QB, the way the Giants did with Eli, and the Ravens did with Flacco and the Eagles did with Wentz/Foles. If a team decides it cannot win unless it finds one of those rare, needle in a haystack "elite" QB's, they might be undermining their own efforts to win by neglectin other areas they need to improve chasing what they are unlikely to find. After all, the odds are much greater of coming up with another Blaine Gabbart or Jake Locker than another Pat Mahomes. Think about it, the elite QB that is the next closest thing to Patrick Mahomes in age is Russell Wilson, and he is 31 now. I don't think the odds are even that good of coming up with another Wentz or Cousins, and even if you do, is that really an upgrade at all, much less enough of one to make it worthwhile to risk being stuck with Paxton Lynch?

 

[ak47kaehu]

Yeah great idea.....lets build our team behind a 42yr old system QB that now throws into the dirt whenever a defender so much as breathes on him.

 

[75boyz]

The question is, who are those elite QBs? Outside of Brady, Rodgers and Brees at or near their peak, and Wilson and Mahomes, it seems to me the rest of the NFL is left with less than an elite QB. And that kind of "elite" QB obviously is hard to come by, otherwise we wouldn't have to go back to draft classes between 15-20 years ago to come up with 3 of the 5 elite.

It seems most teams have to find a way to build a team around a good, but less than elite, NFL QB, the way the Giants did with Eli, and the Ravens did with Flacco and the Eagles did with Wentz/Foles. If a team decides it cannot win unless it finds one of those rare, needle in a haystack "elite" QB's, they might be undermining their own efforts to win by neglectin other areas they need to improve chasing what they are unlikely to find. After all, the odds are much greater of coming up with another Blaine Gabbart or Jake Locker than another Pat Mahomes. Think about it, the elite QB that is the next closest thing to Patrick Mahomes in age is Russell Wilson, and he is 31 now. I don't think the odds are even that good of coming up with another Wentz or Cousins, and even if you do, is that really an upgrade at all, much less enough of one to make it worthwhile to risk being stuck with Paxton Lynch?

My baseline expectation level(as your avg. armchair GM type fan) is that Dak has not proven a consistent enough track record in consistently completing fundamental NFL tight window passes. My biggest pet peeve trait of Qbs is the ability to throw a consistently accurate ball.
Dak doesn't. If your response to this is a quote of accuracy percentage statistics I do not need them.

Your quotes and examples regarding elite QBs were accurate so maybe we just share a differing opinion on what Daks talent level is.
I see many QBs as being able to accomplish more with this current offense. I even envision so called non elite types pass more accurately given this same set of team circumstances.

I also see more than just Burrow as a draftee upgrade to Dak. No biggie. Differences of opinions all over this board. Go Cowboys.

 

[OmerV]

My baseline expectation level(as your avg. armchair GM type fan) is that Dak has not proven a consistent enough track record in consistently completing fundamental NFL tight window passes. My biggest pet peeve trait of Qbs is the ability to throw a consistently accurate ball.
Dak doesn't. If your response to this is a quote of accuracy percentage statistics I do not need them.

Your quotes and examples regarding elite QBs were accurate so maybe we just share a differing opinion on what Daks talent level is.
I see many QBs as being able to accomplish more with this current offense. I even envision so called non elite types pass more accurately given this same set of team circumstances.

I also see more than just Burrow as a draftee upgrade to Dak. No biggie. Differences of opinions all over this board. Go Cowboys.

No, I won't quote completion % as a stand alone measure of his accuracy. I don't think it should be ignored, but I also think we can realistically see that Dak at times throws behind receivers a little more than he should and is not as accurate on deep passes as ideal. He could stand improvement.

But, I also think all QB's have flaws, and that outside the small number of "elites", the flaws are probably no worse with Dak. And I think Dak's inaccuracy is exaggerated a bit. Maybe not intentionally, but when a few passes are thrown slightly behind in an individual game, it can stick in the mind of the fan and make it seem to be happening more than it is. Ultimately, I don't consider Eli or Flacco or Foles to be dead eye accurate either, but they did win Super Bowls. Of course,

Of course, QB has also generally been thought of as a position that requires more intangible traits to be effective - leadership, dedication, determination, instincts etc ….

 

[Sydla]

Here's what Bob Sturm has to say about this idea...

"I also will not entertain the silliness of courting a 43-year old QB who most likely will never leave New England and makes no sense in Dallas with only two or three percent of his career left (and far from the best two or three percent)."

/threadend

Bingo and I am not even a Prescott fan.

But this Brady stuff is crazy silly.

 

[garyo1954]

Interesting take: Tom Brady is one of three players who have a clause in their contract preventing them from being tagged exclusive or franchise. The other two are Drew Brees and Jadeveon Clowney.

 

[Philmonroe]

Fair enough. My TV is of course in HD. Too bad the defensive players didn't make more plays on defense, to help a struggling Offense. That's how it works. Maybe the defensive players can view film in HD and in Dobly of course.

Madden. Pfft.. Save it son.

Too bad the offense with way more high and expensive draft capital can't help the not as good defense. That's how it works. Maybe the offensive players can view the film in HD and in Dolby of course.

Madden. Pfft. I won't save it son you need to hear the truth since your tv didn't obviously show it to you.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Worth a watch here and this move if it happens would put us in Superbowl contention!

Tom and Jerry would be the biggest show all year. Marketing win-win.

 

[Diehardblues]

The question is, who are those elite QBs? Outside of Brady, Rodgers and Brees at or near their peak, and Wilson and Mahomes, it seems to me the rest of the NFL is left with less than an elite QB. And that kind of "elite" QB obviously is hard to come by, otherwise we wouldn't have to go back to draft classes between 15-20 years ago to come up with 3 of the 5 elite.

It seems most teams have to find a way to build a team around a good, but less than elite, NFL QB, the way the Giants did with Eli, and the Ravens did with Flacco and the Eagles did with Wentz/Foles. If a team decides it cannot win unless it finds one of those rare, needle in a haystack "elite" QB's, they might be undermining their own efforts to win by neglectin other areas they need to improve chasing what they are unlikely to find. After all, the odds are much greater of coming up with another Blaine Gabbart or Jake Locker than another Pat Mahomes. Think about it, the elite QB that is the next closest thing to Patrick Mahomes in age is Russell Wilson, and he is 31 now. I don't think the odds are even that good of coming up with another Wentz or Cousins, and even if you do, is that really an upgrade at all, much less enough of one to make it worthwhile to risk being stuck with Paxton Lynch?

Yea but the closer you get to that Elite caliber QB the easier it is to build around it.

How much more can we surround this QB on offense? Now we need an Elite Defense I guess. And why this contract negotiation is so critical.

With rare exception you need either an Elite QB or defense. We have neither and we are investing the bulk of our Cap on offense which can’t carry defense further.

Im confused on what our priority is in team building. What are we’re doing?

 

[Diehardblues]

Too bad the offense with way more high and expensive draft capital can't help the not as good defense. That's how it works. Maybe the offensive players can view the film in HD and in Dolby of course.

Madden. Pfft. I won't save it son you need to hear the truth since your tv didn't obviously show it to you.

Right

Cap era proven need to be great on at least one side of the ball and average to above average in the other.

Basically need an Elite defense or QB and offense to carry the other. We have neither. But yet we think we’re talented enough to contend for a championship.

 

[Alexander]

It is amazing how some believe that Brady will have zero struggles going from a system he has always known to another.

Does anyone believe that McCarthy is just going to do what John Fox did, which is just turn his offense over to the QB?

I really believe some of you guys either don't have the capacity to think or just don't understand how things work.

This Brady talk really takes stupid offseason chatter to a new level and it is intellectually offensive.