Dak Hater's Myth: We Can't Build Around a QB Market Value Contract

[Swagger]

It is a great question. Remember, many of these Dak haters scream that Dak was handed the most talented team ever assembled in 2016. Then they say if we give Dak a franchise QB contract we will not be able to assemble a team around Dak...

It is inherently contradictory. How was Dak given the most talented team ever assembled...if the Cowboys still had Romo's massive contract on the books?

Prescott has not played on a bad team yet. He has always had, at the very least, a good offensive line, mostly very good and phenomenal in 2016. He has had a good, not amazing, but a good defense for all four seasons as well.

Romo played on some bad teams, including historically one of the worst defenses ever assembled in the history of the NFL.
The point people are making is that overpaying Prescott like an elite QB when he clearly isn't one, will likely result in him having to play on bad teams in the future (next year will be fine but further down the line...) unless the drafting is exceptional. To be fair the front office has been far, far better in recent years - e.g. Prescott hasn't had to play during a time when the team wasted key draft pics for a player like Mo Claiborne.

Sam Darnold must be cursing his luck that he was selected by the Jets.

 

[Aviano90]

And those of you that feel the need to fuss and discuss about those issues are the reason the offseason topics get so crazy. Good job detracting from the readership.

You're the one who distracted from the conversation, you idiot. The dude didn't even give an opinion on the matter. He just pointed out the team was still accounting for Romo in 2017, which was accurate.

 

[glimmerman]

Yes, that fumble was bad. But the real momentum killer occurred the previous drive at the end of the first half, when Romo fumbled the 3rd down snap preventing any shot of converting and keeping the ball. Bailey then missed the FG attempt, got lucky to get a 2nd chance and had that one blocked. Our defense gives up a long pass to Rodgers, GB kicks their own FG at the end of the 1st half and instead of being up 21-7 or 17-7 at half we are only up 14-10.

Murray's fumble was on the 1st possession of the 2nd half and was horrible too, but the snake bitten Dallas Cowboys had already shown up to the game by that point. The momentum had already shifted.

Typical of us. Our staff didn’t help much. We always got out coached in the playoffs. We needed a HC and staff that could settle the team and get them focused. The players have to play the game and execute but the staff calling the plays can help.

 

[Aviano90]

Typical of us. Our staff didn’t help much. We always got out coached in the playoffs. We needed a HC and staff that could settle the team and get them focused. The players have to play the game and execute but the staff calling the plays can help.

Oh yeah. The staff played a hand in that debacle too. It was Jason Garrett that rushed out on the field to call a timeout when we got a very favorable 1st down spot on a play occurring right in front of him. Instead of rushing to the line to take advantage of the first down, Garrett's timeout enabled the booth to overturn the 1st down, changing it to 3rd down. Even if the booth would have stopped it, we would have kept a timeout and instead of throwing on 3rd and short, we could have ran. Thanks, Garrett.

 

[Jarv]

Dak at 27mil would be acceptable

Agreed.

 

[Swagger]

However people want to break it down, we have grossly underachieved over the past four seasons really. Whether the fault lies solely with the coaching, offensive scheme, defensive scheme, quarterback play or a combination of all is up to people to argue.

A big concern for me is that we have done very well with avoiding injuries to key players over the past four seasons and are due a season of ill fortune in that regard, hence again why I am of the view that the past four seasons have been a huge missed opportunity. Strong looking roster on paper with very few key injuries unlike the Eagles last season and Commanders the season before.

It is our turn but hopefully not!

 

[JoeKing]

You're the one who distracted from the conversation, you idiot. The dude didn't even give an opinion on the matter. He just pointed out the team was still accounting for Romo in 2017, which was accurate.

Breaking the rules of the forum with impunity. How must that feel? You get away with that crap repeatedly. Who's feet did you kiss to be untouchable around here?

The sausage making shouldn't even be a topic. It just reveals the lack of knowledge that the average fan has when it comes to the business side of the house. They talk like they know something but they don't and you talk crap with the best of them. You are so full of it.

 

[ondaedg]

I thought we add talent through the draft and now i hear we couldn't add talent because of Romo's contract?? Hilarious.

 

[glimmerman]

Oh yeah. The staff played a hand in that debacle too. It was Jason Garrett that rushed out on the field to call a timeout when we got a very favorable 1st down spot on a play occurring right in front of him. Instead of rushing to the line to take advantage of the first down, Garrett's timeout enabled the booth to overturn the 1st down, changing it to 3rd down. Even if the booth would have stopped it, we would have kept a timeout and instead of throwing on 3rd and short, we could have ran. Thanks, Garrett.

He always did something or did nothing at all. I think he would be best served not being the HC of a team. Wondering how the giants are going to do with his old playbook and playcalling.

 

[ondaedg]

How is Romo's contract to blame for bad drafting? The draft is where you add talent and build your team. FA exists to augment and add a few key pieces when you are ready to make that run. If we failed to add talent then that is directly related to terrible drafting choices and little to do with the QB's salary.

I don't ever recall Romo's contract being the issue. Poor drafts and prior free agency mistakes like Roy Williams were cap killers.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Please all you Dak Hater's I kindly ask you answer 2 questions

1. Which players did we lose to Free Agency because of Tony Romo's Market Value setting contract?

2. Which players on the roster will we lose that we would have wanted to keep if we sign Dak to Market Value Contract.


Thank you!

What’s your mom packing you for lunch today?

 

[Rockport]

No need to spend important Cap $ for a QB that needs to be carried!
Stop selling defective products!!!
Dak is at best a Tier 3 QB who wants a Tier 1 (Top 5) mega-deal contract.
You and your Dak-Zoids have been waiting since last spring and you're still waiting and waiting waiting.....

P.S. Dak will NEVER see a mega top 5 deal in the NFL!!!

Troll

 

[Chuck 54]

We lost Ware ans Leary due to the cap, we also were non factors in F.A for years. Most importantly, it was not a recipe fo a S.B trophy.

We didn’t lose Ware due to the cap. We let him walk because in the 4-3 he wasn’t worth the money. He was injured a lot. His production was down, offsides penalties up, and his speed rush looping behind the QB was killing our run defense. For all his greatness, Ware was born to be a 3-4 OLB, not a 4-3 DE.

 

[Brax]

"We" need to stop acting like its our money. All this arguing by fans about the business side of the equations is just nonsense. You don't make the sausage. The worst fans are the ones that think they know more about the business side of the sport than the ones conducting the actual business. Just eat the sausage a shut up about how it is made.

Great outlook, just be a blind moron and accept mediocrity, you should take your own advise and shut up.

 

[Aviano90]

Breaking the rules of the forum with impunity. How must that feel? You get away with that crap repeatedly. Who's feet did you kiss to be untouchable around here?

The sausage making shouldn't even be a topic. It just reveals the lack of knowledge that the average fan has when it comes to the business side of the house. They talk like they know something but they don't and you talk crap with the best of them. You are so full of it.

Go change your tampon and take your midol.

 

[Brax]

Troll

So says the other side of Trolls.

 

[fivetwos]

Indirectly that fumble cost the Cowboys that game. Murray holds on to that football he scores.

The world points to the Dez non catch as the play that decided that game. There was over 4 minutes left. As if Rodgers couldnt pull a comeback. Especially when the actual result was we couldnt get the ball back.

If Murray scores on that play, and the only thing between him and the goal line was one hand of...I think it was Peppers....Dallas wins that game.

 

[doomsday9084]

List of comments:
- Virtually all super bowl winners are either on rookie deals, the Brady discount or some other bargain vet. Very few title teams have won with QB's on fair market value. Frequently guys like Rogers win on their rookie deal and then never see another super bowl once they get an extension. Mahomes looks like the next guy on that list. If you think Jerry is some genius GM who can overcome that which few other GM's have, where have you been for the last 25 years?
- Dak reportedly wants around $33- $35m per year. That's a massive percentage of the cap. Hopefully it can be structured to be less but that's really outside what title teams have been able to pay their QB.
- See article from 2014
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...salary-cap-situation-reportedly-a-train-wreck

According to ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter, the Cowboys are projected to be roughly $31 million over the salary cap in 2014, which would be the most of any team in the league. An anonymous NFL executive describes the impending situation as "a train wreck," per Schefter.

To put Dallas' salary cap status into proper perspective, Schefter adds that the Cowboys' projected mark of $31 million over the cap would be $13 million more than the next closest team.

The team's recent roster moves certainly haven't helped the cause. Dallas released veteran defensive tackle Jay Ratliff earlier this week, which means the $7 million the Pro Bowler is owed in 2014 will count against next year's cap.

Dallas can improve its salary-cap outlook by making cuts and adjusting contracts, but those moves won't come without consequences, as they are sure to impact the product the Cowboys send out onto the field in 2014.

People are really burying their heads in the sand on this. The Cowboys already massively overpaid Tank, Zeke and Jaylon. Dak has been proven to need Coop to succeed consistently so he is going to get a big contract. The team just isn't going to have the depth needed to compete.

 

[McKDaddy]

Football salaries, particularly quarterback salaries, are Monopoly-money deals. I think a smart GM can pay a superstar quarterback the going rate and still have enough to build a championship team if he drafts well.

It takes a lot of good work by management and luck to draft well. You can't control who will be there and do they fit your needs. The importance of good cap management is to give you the flexibility to supplement the draft with FA's to plug holes. Have a lot of respect for the 49ers mgmt but their draft results may not be as spectacular if they start drafting closer to the end of each round. Then cap management becomes much more important to their continued success.

Cap management for the Cowboys is hyper critical as JG for the most part could always be counted on to make your draft position just outside of premium player range and we have insisted on paying too many players at the top of the pay scale.

 

[Hadenough]

List of comments:
- Virtually all super bowl winners are either on rookie deals, the Brady discount or some other bargain vet. Very few title teams have won with QB's on fair market value. Frequently guys like Rogers win on their rookie deal and then never see another super bowl once they get an extension. Mahomes looks like the next guy on that list. If you think Jerry is some genius GM who can overcome that which few other GM's have, where have you been for the last 25 years?
- Dak reportedly wants around $33- $35m per year. That's a massive percentage of the cap. Hopefully it can be structured to be less but that's really outside what title teams have been able to pay their QB.
- See article from 2014
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...salary-cap-situation-reportedly-a-train-wreck


People are really burying their heads in the sand on this. The Cowboys already massively overpaid Tank, Zeke and Jaylon. Dak has been proven to need Coop to succeed consistently so he is going to get a big contract. The team just isn't going to have the depth needed to compete.

Exactly! It's going to be one or two key players gone and the depth is going to be very shallow.