Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

[Aviano90]

I'm beginning to see more on how your mind works. You fault the Cowboys because they chose not to get into a bidding war for Thomas who leading up to his free agency hadn't played an entire season the three previous seasons because of injuries.and chose instead to resign the player that led the team in sacks instead. You have this idea that it's just so black and white that if you don't win the Super Bowl that the ONLY reason is a lack of talent. So did the 49ers lose the Super Bowl because they just didn't have the talent or was it possibly what plays might have been called or the type of defense they chose to use on any given play. According to you it has to be so black and white because of lack of talent. Come back when you wake up and see that the NFL isn't as black and white as you think it is. Here's a thought for you. Contrary to your thought of talent only how is it that there have been wildcard teams to win the Super Bowl. Was it because they had more talent then the division winners and if so why didn't THEY then win their division?
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No, this is absurd and you are just being ridiculous. I have tried to have an honest debate/conversation with you but you insist on just acting like a child. Come back when you want to drop your extreme interpretations of what you think I am trying to say. I don’t want to waste any more time with someone who can’t make an honest attempt at trying to understand the point instead of trying their best to misinterpret the point. I don’t care if you agree with what I say ,but we aren’t even on the same planet on what we are trying to discuss.

 

[gjkoeppen]

They could restructure contracts man. Jeez. You’re not new to this are you?

you didn’t answer my question though.

Hey WAY less than a brainiac, restructuring contracts is what kept the Cowboys in cap hell since the cap started. Stephen finally said that vicious cycle of restructuring contracts that end up adding dead money to the cap had to stop. DEAD MONEY on the cap is the reason the Cowboys didn't have cap space to go out and bid on free agents. You really are clueless on this.
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[Aviano90]

Hey WAY less than a brainiac, restructuring contracts is what kept the Cowboys in cap hell since the cap started. Stephen finally said that vicious cycle of restructuring contracts that end up adding dead money to the cap had to stop. DEAD MONEY on the cap is the reason the Cowboys didn't have cap space to go out and bid on free agents. You really are clueless on this.
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OK, let me act like you now.

I finally understand your simpleton mindset. You believe the only way a team can win the SB is for a team to only acquire players through the draft. If a team dares sign a free agent that will put them in cap hell for the next decade so a team should only spend their cap dollars on giving current players pay raises to keep them.

Congratulations, your way got us 8-8 and a seat on the couch for the playoffs. Way to go, salary cap champion! You going to make Salary Cap Championship shirts and hats? What about a ring?

 

[Aviano90]

Talk about an idiot. You can't or won't understand that the Cowboys didn't the cap space to go bid on free agents.
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Ok, Mr. Pocket Protector. Get that calculator out and go win us another cap championship.

 

[KJJ]

Can't compare the two. Mahomes is 1000x the QB Dak or will ever be. He makes others better, Dak needs others to make him better

All QBs need help it’s not like Mahomes is playing with average talent around him. Many Cowboy fans are wanting us to move on from Dak and replace him with an average QB who’s going need a lot more help than he will ever need. Dak carried us in some games last season and fans want us to replace him with a QB that will need to be carried. The Cowboys aren’t going to win crap with some of the names of QBs that are coming up on this board.

 

[DandyDon52]

I had this same type of response to whom I assumed was a pro Dak guy but he responded that he was neither pro nor anti Dak.
CZ Poster garyo1954 responded with "a third faction?" to which we both had a laugh.

I responded with, I guess he's some type of tweener. Too funny. So I guess now I know theres the 3 groups...The pro Dak, the anti AND the neutrals (or in between)

There is always tweeners lol, I think I have moved from pro dak to tweener.
I want to see dak this year under new coaches, and see what happens. So tag may be better for this year.

 

[DandyDon52]

I don't think it is a flaw in thinking that if you make Dak the highest paid quarterback, then the cowboys won't be able to compete and thus isn't worth it. And nobody said that what we want will effect the Jones decision, but then at least Jerry hasn't always made the most wisest of decisions either, so there is no shame in disagreeing with him. And no, I don't think the team will improve if Dak gets 40 million and the talent drops around him. If that happens, I think 2016 will be his best season and he'll never surpass that and people will go on blaming the bad defense, offensive line, running back, etc, for the lack of success here.

ok the "flaw" was about "elite $" .
he doesnt have to be elite to get the high pay.
But about being able to compete, lets say dak signed for 25 mil a year, that would give 10 mil to spend on other players, which isnt very much,
and it depend on how that money was spent as to whether it really helps or not.
They could wind up wasting that money on players that are not that good.
They might use it to over pay some other player, you never know.
I just read on another thread that 12 % of the cap is the most you can pay and get to a SB, going by past SB winners, this doesnt count the losers lol.
So is 35 million 12 % of cap for 2020?? I dont know.

If it is higher than 12% then you could be right, but dont get stuck on qb value , or that is too much money or he is not worth it.

According to the 12% theory, NO qb is worth it because none even the great ones never won a SB while being paid over that %.

 

[gjkoeppen]

OK, let me act like you now.

I finally understand your simpleton mindset. You believe the only way a team can win the SB is for a team to only acquire players through the draft. If a team dares sign a free agent that will put them in cap hell for the next decade so a team should only spend their cap dollars on giving current players pay raises to keep them.

Congratulations, your way got us 8-8 and a seat on the couch for the playoffs. Way to go, salary cap champion! You going to make Salary Cap Championship shirts and hats? What about a ring?

Again you failed to give us all here all of those players that would have been guaranteed better than the Cowboys own players they resigned that they could have gotten for the same price they paid their own players. And yes, just like everyone else that is above grade school level of intellect, I don't want the Cowboys to fall back into that vicious cycle of putting and keeping the cap in cap hell and only having minimal cap space unless they just keep that talent robbing practice going. Besides actually learning something about the NFL you should also learn something about SIMPLE economics too. You obviously know extremely little about both.
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[Aviano90]

Again you failed to give us all here all of those players that would have been guaranteed better than the Cowboys own players they resigned that they could have gotten for the same price they paid their own players. And yes, just like everyone else that is above grade school level of intellect, I don't want the Cowboys to fall back into that vicious cycle of putting and keeping the cap in cap hell and only having minimal cap space unless they just keep that talent robbing practice going. Besides actually learning something about the NFL you should also learn something about SIMPLE economics too. You obviously know extremely little about both.
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I get it Poindezter. Teams can’t win it they sign free agents. We can only give our current players raises. Restructure a context automatically puts you in cap hell and you are doomed for 2 decades. You have made your position perfectly clear. You are satisfied with mediocrity 8-8 as long as the salary cap ledger looks great!

 

[Hadenough]

According to the 12% theory, NO qb is worth it because none even the great ones never won a SB while being paid over that %.

And there is the answer! If the great QBs dont win a SB after cashing in than how can one expect Dallas to win a SB with a slightly better than avg QB cashing in. What is so frustrating is Dak shouldnt even be in the conversation of top 5 QBs. Dallas needs to franchise him and draft his successor.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Ok, Mr. Pocket Protector. Get that calculator out and go win us another cap championship.

Hey way way way less than a brianiac if EVERY GM in the league was asked if they would rather have 73 mil in cap space or 4.6 mil in cap space just what do you think EVERY one of them would say? 73 mill or 4.6 mil to spend on the players of THEIR choosing not some fan who knows nothing about how the league works and not have to worry about renegotiating any contracts. Gee do you think that number would be 32?
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[Aviano90]

Hey way way way less than a brianiac if EVERY GM in the league was asked if they would rather have 73 mil in cap space or 4.6 mil in cap space just what do you think EVERY one of them would say? 73 mill or 4.6 mil to spend on the players of THEIR choosing not some fan who knows nothing about how the league works and not have to worry about renegotiating any contracts. Gee do you think that number would be 32?
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I know. Free agents don’t help a team improve. You’ve made yourself clear. Teams win by having the most salary cap room spent only on players they draft.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I get it Poindezter. Teams can’t win it hey sign free agents. We can only give our current players raises.

Every time you just skate around all those players you say would guarantee the Cowboys would be better and got them for the same price that the Cowboys resigned their own players. And every time you skip past that your whining you get more blah blah blah every time say nothing that makes the slightest sense. Are you still in grade school?
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[Aviano90]

Every time you just skate around all those players you say would guarantee the Cowboys would be better and got them for the same price that the Cowboys resigned their own players. And every time you skip past that your whining you get more blah blah blah every time say nothing that makes the slightest sense. Are you still in grade school?
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Hey, can we save cap space and still miss the playoffs do you think? What’s the maximum amount of money we can save and still get to 8-8?

 

[gjkoeppen]

I know. Free agents don’t help a team improve. You’ve made yourself clear. Teams win by having the most salary cap room spent only on players they draft.

See here's what someone who is a way way way less than a brianic doesn't get. First I never at any time said free agents can't help a team. What I did say was for you to come up with the free agents that you guarantee are better and will make the Cowboys better than they could have been for the same costs the Cowboys spent on their own free agents. Please tell me all the players you guarantee are going to be better than Cooper, Jones, Quinn, Prescott and that's just 4 but there won't be enough cap space to get just those 4. But of course you want the Cowboys to renegotiate contracts that will leave less cap space down the road so then they will have to renegotiate more contracts and that vicious cycle has started again. But I guess that's what happens with your plan when you know so little about the NFL and simple economics.
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[Aviano90]

See here's what someone who is a way way way less than a brianic doesn't get. First I never at any time said free agents can't help a team. What I did say was for you to come up with the free agents that you guarantee are better and will make the Cowboys better than they could have been for the same costs the Cowboys spent on their own free agents. Please tell me all the players you guarantee are going to be better than Cooper, Jones, Quinn, Prescott and that's just 4 but there won't be enough cap space to get just those 4. But of course you want the Cowboys to renegotiate contracts that will leave less cap space down the road so then they will have to renegotiate more contracts and that vicious cycle has started again. But I guess that's what happens with your plan when you know so little about the NFL and simple economics.
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You have guaranteed we win if we didn’t get into cap hell by not signing free agents. We went 8-8. What refund do we get since your guarantee didn’t pan out? Your calculate was wrong, Poindexter.

 

[phildadon86]

I had this same type of response to whom I assumed was a pro Dak guy but he responded that he was neither pro nor anti Dak.
CZ Poster garyo1954 responded with "a third faction?" to which we both had a laugh.

I responded with, I guess he's some type of tweener. Too funny. So I guess now I know theres the 3 groups...The pro Dak, the anti AND the neutrals (or in between)

And the people who blindly hate Dak and want him to fail because he retired Romo

 

[gjkoeppen]

Hey, can we save cap space and still miss the playoffs do you think? What’s the maximum amount of money we can save and still get to 8-8?

Again you that is way way way less than a brainic who knows even less about the NFL still thinks that winning Super Bowls is just black and white based solely on the talent a team has. Coaching has zero to do with it. Bad play calling has nothing to do with it. Playing the wrong defense on plays has zero to do with it. But some how you can't explain that wildcard teams have won Super Bowls and if talent is the ONLY measure and they won the Super Bowl they must have the most and best talent but if that is so why were they wildcard teams and not win their divisions? Don;'t bother replying until you at least read football 101 and economics 101.
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[gjkoeppen]

You have guaranteed we win if we didn’t get into cap hell by not signing free agents. We went 8-8. What refund do we get since your guarantee didn’t pan out? Your calculate was wrong, Poindexter.

Well since this is the FIRST year since the salary cap started that the Cowboys aren't in cap hell I guess we have to wait and see. Second fans don't get refunds win or lose. Real fans pay for tickets because they are fans not whine bags. Fans buy the merchandise and how many at the end of the season go back to where they bought their merchandise and ask for a refund. Once again and continuously you grade school mentality has come through.
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[gjkoeppen]

And the people who blindly hate Dak and want him to fail because he retired Romo

The Prescott haters hate him for various reasons whether real or not. I'll bet there were Danny White haters because he followed Roger Staubach.
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