Dual threat QB

[America's Cowboy]

Earth to you. Prescott has 1221 rushing yards for his 4 seasons. Lamar Jackson had 1206 just last season and in his 2 seasons he has 1901. Last time I checked 1901 is more than 1221. If all you do is take just Wilson's last 4 seasons he still has more rushing yards that Prescott. In just his 3 seasons Deshaun Watson has 1233 rushing yards. Next time check your stats first.
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Oh, I know, but for anyone to insist that Dak is not a dual threat QB based solely on his 4 year old combine 40 yd dash time is plain dumb. Dak has proven he can be a weapon both with his arm and legs. Hello, Earth to you ignorants...

 

[kskboys]

You try and refute everything. lol All QBs are passing threats or they wouldn’t be playing the position. Spin what you want but he threw a league leading 36 TD passes. His ability to takeoff and run has made him extremely dangerous, especially in the red zone. A lot of his TD passes came from up close. He tossed 3 or more TDs in 8 games. A QB doesn’t have to be able to make all the throws to be a passing threat. Anyone who has a decent arm and can throw an accurate pass can be a passing threat.

I do, but only if it's a logical argument.

Not spinning anything. Lamar had major issues against TENN because he can't throw outside.

You're not defining "passing threat" in the usual sense. Hard to converse w/o using standard definitions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

I really need you people to stop. You people literally just make BS up out of thin air to fit your bias.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/player/season/lamar-jackson/JAC323395/2019/all/qb-grid

Maybe we need you to stop. This was discussed a ton after his playoff loss.

I'm not biased in any way whatsoever. What in hades have I said to make you think I'm biased? That accusation makes zero sense, but then again that fits your response in general!!!

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak clearly falls under this description of a dual-threat QB.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You try and refute everything. lol All QBs are passing threats or they wouldn’t be playing the position. Spin what you want but he threw a league leading 36 TD passes. His ability to takeoff and run has made him extremely dangerous, especially in the red zone. A lot of his TD passes came from up close. He tossed 3 or more TDs in 8 games. A QB doesn’t have to be able to make all the throws to be a passing threat. Anyone who has a decent arm and can throw an accurate pass can be a passing threat.

He is a threatt FOR NOW. But do tell me, the longevity of QB's that love to run.
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SOME, that do not, survive. Because they dont (love it). And they proceed with great caution. Lamar does not...and he's gonna get destroyed....sooner or later suit yourself. A season in and you'r e crowning him the new style prototype QB? You've learned NOTHING?

 

[blumayne38]

Duel threat QBs don’t win Super Bowls with Steve Young (maybe) being the only exception. He was a pass first QB.

Mahomes just did it though...he is maybe the only true duel threat QB and the prortype

Dual threat?
Sure Dak can be a dual threat as he demonstrated in the first 3 games of the season.
Where was Mr Dual threat the rest of the season?
He showed flashes here and there, but calling him a dual threat... please
The QB’s you mentioned alongside Dak will react impulsively and make plays keeping the defense off balance.
Where was Dak’s dual threat ability against the Egaks and their depleted defence?

Idk you tell me. Daks play was forgettable, as I already have forgotten what even happened that game. Let alone try and break down where he was or why he did this, or that. I agree with you he disappears. Not only that I mention in other posts how he is inconsistent and has stretches where he does not drive the football down the field...causing the defense to be either tired or figured out. I understand is complimentary football and all three phases have to contribute. But this team was built a certain way. And sometimes daks play/style goes against the grain...

 

[blumayne38]

Dak is not a running threat- nobody fears Dak running the ball. You guys are crazy. The only reason he gets yards on a read option is because of Zeke. Dak is not even in the top 10 in QB running ability in the NFL.

Yep

 

[blumayne38]

Oh, I know, but for anyone to insist that Dak is not a dual threat QB based solely on his 4 year old combine 40 yd dash time is plain dumb. Dak has proven he can be a weapon both with his arm and legs. Hello, Earth to you ignorants...

He hasn’t though, he is wayyyyy to inconsistent. His “stats” are mostly gotten through being surrounded by extremely high talent

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Josh Allen, 2019: 3,089 yds/20 TD's/9INT's/58.8% comp.

Bus driver numbers, pure and simple.

They are but compared to his 1st year it was a big jump and i expect him to make an even bigger jump in his 3rd year

 

[America's Cowboy]

He hasn’t though, he is wayyyyy to inconsistent. His “stats” are mostly gotten through being surrounded by extremely high talent

Are you serious? Any running QB needs talent around them to help them have space to run through. It's no different for RBs.

 

[blumayne38]

Are you serious? Any running QB needs talent around them to help them have space to run through. It's no different for RBs.

No not talent high talent..difference

 

[America's Cowboy]

No not talent high talent..difference

Look at today's successful "running" QBs in the NFL, you will see they are surrounded by your "high" talent. None of them are successfully able to run the ball without some kind of "high" talent around them.

 

[KJJ]

I do, but only if it's a logical argument.

Not spinning anything. Lamar had major issues against TENN because he can't throw outside.

You're not defining "passing threat" in the usual sense. Hard to converse w/o using standard definitions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There isn't anything logical by saying Jackson isn't a passing threat. Good luck finding anyone who will agree with that. I get what you're trying to say and had you said he's not an accomplished passer and needs to develop more as a passer I would agree with you. His ability to run like Barry Sanders has helped him become a huge passing threat because he draws the defense up, causing confusion and gets defenders leaning the wrong way. Just when you think he's going to take off he flips a pass for a TD. He may not be able to make all the throws but he made a number of great throws last season. Watch his highlight reel. The Ravens wouldn't have used a first round pick on him if he wasn't a passing threat.

 

[KJJ]

I would not want to be Lamar Jackson trying to run the option next year. The Titans game plan was nothing elaborate. They just committed to tackling Lamar every chance they got. So, even when he pitched it, he got hit. After a few solid hits, the option isn't so much fun to run anymore. Its basically the RG3 defense. Contain him in the pocket and make him throw into coverage. Maybe he adapts but he sure looked against TN. There is a reason the league evolved into a pocket passer league and not a wishbone or option qb league. Namely, the pocket protects the QB from injury a lot better.

No question defenses will catch up with him and his style of play so he's going to need to continue developing as a passer. No run first pass second QB has ever won a SB. Right now Jackson would be a better version of Michael Vick who had a 2-4 playoff record. Defense usually prevails over offense in the playoffs and the Ravens offense is too dependent on Jackson having a great game for them to win. The same with the Titans and Derrick Henry. They rode Henry all the way to the AFC title game but as soon as he got contained the Titans were done. You can't become too dependent on any one player in the playoffs whether it be QB or RB. You simply can't put all your chips on one player to have success in postseason. The more defenses game plan and adjust to Jackson's style of play, the more he will have to adjust to continue having success. Age will eventually slow him down as could serious injury so he has to continue developing as a passer, especially within the pocket.

 

[buybuydandavis]

He is a threatt FOR NOW. But do tell me, the longevity of QB's that love to run.

Steve Young did fine. Russell Wilson is doing better.

Just don't run stupid. Dak is a *thick* QB. 6-2, 238, and not a chubby 238 either. He's built like a LB. If we don't run him, we're wasting him.

 

[kskboys]

There isn't anything logical by saying Jackson isn't a passing threat. Good luck finding anyone who will agree with that. I get what you're trying to say and had you said he's not an accomplished passer and needs to develop more as a passer I would agree with you. His ability to run like Barry Sanders has helped him become a huge passing threat because he draws the defense up, causing confusion and gets defenders leaning the wrong way. Just when you think he's going to take off he flips a pass for a TD. He may not be able to make all the throws but he made a number of great throws last season. Watch his highlight reel. The Ravens wouldn't have used a first round pick on him if he wasn't a passing threat.

Right now, he's Colin Kapernick.

 

[KJJ]

Right now, he's Colin Kapernick.

Kap never threw more than 21 TDs in a season and never had an MVP season. Granted he led SF to the Super Bowl and appeared to be the next great thing but quickly faded. His rise and fall was equivalent to RG3.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Lamar Jackson sucks as a passer.



He's a runner pretending to be a passer.

 

[kskboys]

Kap never threw more than 21 TDs in a season and never had an MVP season. Granted he led SF to the Super Bowl and appeared to be the next great thing but quickly faded. His rise and fall was equivalent to RG3.

True. However, that's where I see Lamar at present. Don't believe in his long term success.

 

[kskboys]

Kap never threw more than 21 TDs in a season and never had an MVP season. Granted he led SF to the Super Bowl and appeared to be the next great thing but quickly faded. His rise and fall was equivalent to RG3.

RGIII, Tim Tebow, same type, IMO. However, Lamar is definitely a freak as an athlete, and may do better. Going to be a fun ride w/ this young man.