Dual threat QB

[KJJ]

Not really. To be a true passing threat, a QB must be able to make all throws. Right now, for whatever reason, Lamar has trouble w/ the outside throws. Makes him one dimensional.

To be seen.

You try and refute everything. lol All QBs are passing threats or they wouldn’t be playing the position. Spin what you want but he threw a league leading 36 TD passes. His ability to takeoff and run has made him extremely dangerous, especially in the red zone. A lot of his TD passes came from up close. He tossed 3 or more TDs in 8 games. A QB doesn’t have to be able to make all the throws to be a passing threat. Anyone who has a decent arm and can throw an accurate pass can be a passing threat.

 

[aikemirv]

Dak is not a running threat- nobody fears Dak running the ball. You guys are crazy. The only reason he gets yards on a read option is because of Zeke. Dak is not even in the top 10 in QB running ability in the NFL.

 

[KJJ]

Yeah, we'll see what happens next year. The Titans just gave the league a blue print on how to slow down Lamar.

It’s going to get tougher for him and he will have to continue improving as a passer especially from the pocket to keep having success. So far his game has not translated to the playoffs. If you depend too much on your QB in the playoffs you’re going to be in trouble. Everything the Ravens do on offense is dependent on Jackson having a good game.

 

[aikemirv]

Dak is basically Romo.

Romo agility and quickness far surpases Dak. Dak's feet are in concrete. Romo was not a running QB but had a great ability to avoid the rush in the pocket. If Dak could avoid the rush in the pocket I would be completely fine paying him but he is on the lower level of QB's on rush avoidance!

 

[blueblood70]

Dual threat doesn't mean anything if you're going to get injured. Lamar is not a dual threat, he needs to run to make that offense work. Buying time in the pocket is all a QB needs to do. John Elway is a good example. Reminds me of Mahomes. Passing is your primary skill, but if you get into trouble you can move around a bit. Also Randall Cunningham for those old enough to remember.

Steve young was for sure a dual threat and in todays NFl would destroy teams I never witnessed it but Staubach was that guy as well?..this isnt really new but running a lot more motion and spread has made the QB more a mobile threat this era..

 

[blueblood70]

Maybe you should put this in the College Zone forum. Until this pizz ant has done something in the NFL, no one gives a crap.

I do I think we need to draft him around the 4th, if for nothing else to be a Taysom Hill type and learn to be Daks backup...if dak doesnt stay much longer he maybe a poor mans lamar Jackson IF a STAFF is smart enough to call plays for him..its combine week, so yes its valid..Hes a better upside then RUSH!

 

[OmerV]

IMO, the latter ones you mention are more like decent scramblers than dual threat QBs. For instance, Dak can make a play now and then in open space, and he can often outrun a defender long enough to extend the play for a receiver to get open, but he's not someone other teams fear will run all over them.

I'm with you. I don't think of "dual threat" as a QB who can scramble or has a rare running play called for him or that can occasionally run for a first down if the pass protection breaks down or the receivers are covered, I think of it as a guy who the offense is designed to use extensively as a runner as well as a passer.

 

[Redball Express]

Dual threat QB, how many are really out there? How many of these so called dual threat QBs i.e Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson even go as far as to say Josh Allen even Carson Wentz. How many are REALLY dual threat? And what makes them so? Completion percentage? Rushing yards? Or Rushing TDs? Maybe even buying time in the pocket? Scrambling per say. Anyways how many do y’all think there Really are? And name the top 3

1. Patrick Mahomes 2. Russell Wilson 3. Lamar Jackson some close but not good enough runners for me are Josh Allen, Wentz, Dak. I left kyler off the list only because I haven’t seen enough of him yet as far as passing. Although I do think he is elite in that category. Another guy I left off is cam newton I just don’t think he is duel threat his passing abilities are iffy at best.

Kapernick is out there.

You falled to mention him.

And frankly he would the ideal fit for us.

Extremely affordable, hungry and multi-dimension-able.

While all this Dak Drama is going on..

I would sign Kap, let Rush and White go..

then let Dak sit and move on.

Dak will one of two things..

Either **** up and sign an agreement that is reasonable for both sides..

Or he will get ticked off and demand he wants out.

Frankly, even if Dak comes to his senses, I would want Kap as the backup.

If Dak goes down we would still have a chance.

 

[Established1971]

Dual threat QB, how many are really out there? How many of these so called dual threat QBs i.e Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson even go as far as to say Josh Allen even Carson Wentz. How many are REALLY dual threat? And what makes them so? Completion percentage? Rushing yards? Or Rushing TDs? Maybe even buying time in the pocket? Scrambling per say. Anyways how many do y’all think there Really are? And name the top 3

1. Patrick Mahomes 2. Russell Wilson 3. Lamar Jackson some close but not good enough runners for me are Josh Allen, Wentz, Dak. I left kyler off the list only because I haven’t seen enough of him yet as far as passing. Although I do think he is elite in that category. Another guy I left off is cam newton I just don’t think he is duel threat his passing abilities are iffy at best.

Allen runs a lot more than Dak for what thats worth

 

[Sevenup3000]

Not really. To be a true passing threat, a QB must be able to make all throws. Right now, for whatever reason, Lamar has trouble w/ the outside throws. Makes him one dimensional.

To be seen.

I really need you people to stop. You people literally just make BS up out of thin air to fit your bias.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/player/season/lamar-jackson/JAC323395/2019/all/qb-grid

 

[KJJ]

Dak is not a running threat- nobody fears Dak running the ball. You guys are crazy.

We’re crazy? lol Dak has just over 1200 yards rushing his first four seasons and 21 rushing TDs. How is he not a running threat with those numbers? He’s also capable of putting down his shoulder and running over defenders. You must not be watching the same games the rest of us have been watching if you don’t think he’s a running threat that anyone fears.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak is not a running threat- nobody fears Dak running the ball. You guys are crazy. The only reason he gets yards on a read option is because of Zeke. Dak is not even in the top 10 in QB running ability in the NFL.

Where is your proof? You always speak in axioms.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Kapernick is out there.

You falled to mention him.

And frankly he would the ideal fit for us.

Extremely affordable, hungry and multi-dimension-able.

While all this Dak Drama is going on..

I would sign Kap, let Rush and White go..

then let Dak sit and move on.

Dak will one of two things..

Either **** up and sign an agreement that is reasonable for both sides..

Or he will get ticked off and demand he wants out.

Frankly, even if Dak comes to his senses, I would want Kap as the backup.

If Dak goes down we would still have a chance.

 

[morat1959]

Duel threat QBs don’t win Super Bowls with Steve Young (maybe) being the only exception. He was a pass first QB.

 

[Flamma]

Steve young was for sure a dual threat and in todays NFl would destroy teams I never witnessed it but Staubach was that guy as well?..this isnt really new but running a lot more motion and spread has made the QB more a mobile threat this era..

Steve Young yes. He was one of the fastest players on the field. Staubach was very elusive and would avoid sacks and take off now and then.

I may have misunderstood the OP. The QBs he mentioned led me to believe he was talking about an elusive QB that can take off but still is a good passer. But a true dual threat QB/RB are very few. Lamar Jackson is exactly that. So was Vick and a few others to some extent. They usually end up injured. I initially didn't count Jackson because taking off is part of the plan. I don't consider him a quarterback that takes off when all else fails. It's by design. You also want to be careful with some of these QBs in today's game. The reason they run a lot of the times is because the game is too fast for them. Not because they are trying to make a great play. They're shaky in the pocket and scare off easily when the 1st or 2nd read passes them up too quickly.

 

[aikemirv]

We’re crazy? lol Dak has just over 1200 yards rushing his first four seasons and 21 rushing TDs. How is he not a running threat with those numbers? He’s also capable of putting down his shoulder and running over defenders. You must not be watching the same games the rest of us have been watching if you don’t think he’s a running threat that anyone fears.

Where is your proof? You always speak in axioms.

Lamar Jackson
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson
Josh Allen
Kyler Murray
Pat Mahomes
Daniel Jones
Mitch Tribisky
Gardner Minshew
Baker Mayfield
Carson Wentz

Even Sam Darnold had a better 3 cone drill than Prescott - he has size and strength but not running ability or agility or able to make people miss! His success is based on diversion, not ability. He is a strong guy but make him a key focus in defending the run and he gets zilch!

Hey but take comfort - he would be first in OL speed in the 2016 draft by .02!

 

[atlantacowboy]

It’s going to get tougher for him and he will have to continue improving as a passer especially from the pocket to keep having success. So far his game has not translated to the playoffs. If you depend too much on your QB in the playoffs you’re going to be in trouble. Everything the Ravens do on offense is dependent on Jackson having a good game.

I would not want to be Lamar Jackson trying to run the option next year. The Titans game plan was nothing elaborate. They just committed to tackling Lamar every chance they got. So, even when he pitched it, he got hit. After a few solid hits, the option isn't so much fun to run anymore. Its basically the RG3 defense. Contain him in the pocket and make him throw into coverage. Maybe he adapts but he sure looked against TN. There is a reason the league evolved into a pocket passer league and not a wishbone or option qb league. Namely, the pocket protects the QB from injury a lot better.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Lamar Jackson
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson
Josh Allen
Kyler Murray
Pat Mahomes
Daniel Jones
Mitch Tribisky
Gardner Minshew
Baker Mayfield
Carson Wentz

Even Sam Darnold had a better 3 cone drill than Prescott - he has size and strength but not running ability or agility or able to make people miss! His success is based on diversion, not ability. He is a strong guy but make him a key focus in defending the run and he gets zilch!

Hey but take comfort - he would be first in OL speed in the 2016 draft by .02!

Yet, Dak has run for more yards and TDs than those you listed.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Yet, Dak has run for more yards and TDs than those you listed.

Earth to you. Prescott has 1221 rushing yards for his 4 seasons. Lamar Jackson had 1206 just last season and in his 2 seasons he has 1901. Last time I checked 1901 is more than 1221. If all you do is take just Wilson's last 4 seasons he still has more rushing yards that Prescott. In just his 3 seasons Deshaun Watson has 1233 rushing yards. Next time check your stats first.
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[KJJ]

Lamar Jackson
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson
Josh Allen
Kyler Murray
Pat Mahomes
Daniel Jones
Mitch Tribisky
Gardner Minshew
Baker Mayfield
Carson Wentz

Even Sam Darnold had a better 3 cone drill than Prescott - he has size and strength but not running ability or agility or able to make people miss! His success is based on diversion, not ability. He is a strong guy but make him a key focus in defending the run and he gets zilch!

Hey but take comfort - he would be first in OL speed in the 2016 draft by .02!

Your assessment that he isn’t a running threat is based on his three cone drill?