A question regarding Garrett

[atlantacowboy]

I know you like to blame Jerry for everything but he wasn't calling plays or managing games. it was killing this team. So basically a lack of playoff success had nothing to do with Garrett? You talk about how great he was during the regular season, but when it's time to step up to the plate they look outclassed and lost. Happened every time. Including the Eagles game this season with his contract hanging in the balance.. That was not Jerry's fault. Garrett was a problem.

Think of them as problems 1A and 1B.

 

[Diehardblues]

I know you like to blame Jerry for everything but he wasn't calling plays or managing games. it was killing this team. So basically a lack of playoff success had nothing to do with Garrett? You talk about how great he was during the regular season, but when it's time to step up to the plate they look outclassed and lost. Happened every time. Including the Eagles game this season with his contract hanging in the balance.. That was not Jerry's fault. Garrett was a problem.

I never said Garrett was great during regular season. And never said Garrett wasn’t part of the problem. I just didn’t totally blame him.

And Jerry’s toxic atmosphere and dysfunctional organization is responsible including Garrett even being our HC.

 

[Diehardblues]

Think of them as problems 1A and 1B.

Right. I always saw Garrett as a product of the dysfunctional situation.

1a is always going to undercut 2a though. Even if they win a championship.

 

[Idgit]

NFL coaches take the blame. Happens all the time. So that loss to the Eagles wasn't Garrett's fault? You're fooling yourself. Who jerry? Lack of talent? lol Some apparently never run out of excuses. His job was on the line and nothing evened out.

No, it wasn’t his fault.
He lost his job. That’s what happens in the NFL when you don’t meet expectations in a contract year. It’s appropriate. But it doesn’t mean you just ignore his record entirely and start discounting wins as “garbage wins” in order to justify a flawed opinion.

 

[Big_D]

No, it wasn’t his fault.
He lost his job. That’s what happens in the NFL when you don’t meet expectations in a contract year. It’s appropriate. But it doesn’t mean you just ignore his record entirely and start discounting wins as “garbage wins” in order to justify a flawed opinion.

That Washington win was a garbage win that padded his % and there's a whole slew of those. But he couldn't go into Philly the week before and win with the division and a playoff spot on the line and a contract. He's famous for those. That is his record. like those 5 crap wins in 2010 meant absolutely nothing. Translated and amounted to nothing. Story of his career.

 

[atlantacowboy]

No, it wasn’t his fault.
He lost his job. That’s what happens in the NFL when you don’t meet expectations in a contract year. It’s appropriate. But it doesn’t mean you just ignore his record entirely and start discounting wins as “garbage wins” in order to justify a flawed opinion.

Right. We should honor Garret for his career achievement of 2 playoff wins in 9 seasons.

 

[Big_D]

On the flip side that win % is his, but when they lose it's not his fault? lol That's when it's on everyone else? Talk about a flawed opinion.

 

[Rockport]

That Washington win was a garbage win that padded his % and there's a whole slew of those. But he couldn't go into Philly the week before and win with the division and a playoff spot on the line and a contract. He's famous for those. That is his record. like those 5 crap wins in 2010 meant absolutely nothing. Translated and amounted to nothing. Story of his career.

Every coach’s record is padded by garbage wins except maybe the really, really bad ones.

 

[Big_D]

Think of them as problems 1A and 1B.

Jerry was a problem no doubt about that.

 

[Diehardblues]

That Washington win was a garbage win that padded his % and there's a whole slew of those. But he couldn't go into Philly the week before and win with the division and a playoff spot on the line and a contract. He's famous for those. That is his record. like those 5 crap wins in 2010 meant absolutely nothing. Translated and amounted to nothing. Story of his career.

The same wins and losses that propped up Daks stats and career.

Amazing how Dak is heralded for Brady only winning more games than Dak last 4 years but Garrett a total failure.

 

[Big_D]

The same wins and losses that propped up Daks stats and career.

Amazing how Dak is heralded for Brady only winning more games than Dak last 4 years but Garrett a total failure.

Brady also played in 10 playoff games and won 8 of them including 2 championships. lol So I don't really care. Regular season wins that once again amounted to nothing. You proved my point. Dak isn't being heralded. He's being considered the best option at the moment while they're sitting at 17 with a pretty crappy backup situation.. You can spin it how you want.

 

[Hoofbite]

Would I be surprised? Nope. Would I attribute any success to Garrett? Little.

Judge is a Belichick disciple. 8 years in New England. That's worth decades of on-the-job training in Dallas.

 

[atlantacowboy]

The same wins and losses that propped up Daks stats and career.

Amazing how Dak is heralded for Brady only winning more games than Dak last 4 years but Garrett a total failure.

Brady has won 2 super bowls since Dak entered the league. Regular season wins are great but if you don't show up in January, might as well hand out participation ribbons for all it means.
Check out the last 3 years.........not so impressive.............and more relevant.

 

[Diehardblues]

Brady has won 2 super bowls since Dak entered the league. Regular season wins are great but if you don't show up in January, might as well hand out participation ribbons for all it means.
Check out the last 3 years.........not so impressive.............and more relevant.

But that regular season has propelled Dak without success in the playoffs. Looks like a double standard to me?

And if Garrett is measured by his playoffs only . How can we be sure he’s not losing to better teams or talent?

 

[Diehardblues]

Brady also played in 10 playoff games and won 8 of them including 2 championships. lol So I don't really care. Regular season wins that once again amounted to nothing. You proved my point. Dak isn't being heralded. He's being considered the best option at the moment while they're sitting at 17 with a pretty crappy backup situation.. You can spin it how you want.

Just saying it appears a double standard to me.

 

[atlantacowboy]

But that regular season has propelled Dak without success in the playoffs. Looks like a double standard to me?

And if Garrett is measured by his playoffs only . How can we be sure he’s not losing to better teams or talent?

I don't have to argue the merits of the garret resume' anymore. He got fired and has 2 playoff wins in 9 seasons. Thats his legacy as a HC in Dallas. Dak is still writing his legacy. Lets hope it goes better since its apparently not ending.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't have to argue garret resume' anymore. He got fired and has 2 playoff wins in 9 seasons. Thats his legacy. Dak is still writing his own.

Of course but I was arguing what appears a double standard in measuring the last 4 years with Dak and Garrett.

 

[Big_D]

Just saying it appears a double standard to me.

It's really not. Dak is 27 and he threw 30 TDs last year and ran for 3. You just hope a new coach can get better play moving forward in those big situations. It's not about the regular season wins the past 4 years, can Dak and the team be better with a fresh start? That's the situation this team is in right now.

 

[TheSport78]

I wouldn't be surprised. Jones showed he has some talent. He also has a top RB, a freakishly athletic TE, a solid o line, and a top pick in the draft.

Garrett had some solid years in dallas as an OC, and has to be given some credit for progressing dak.

People can call him a joke all they want, but players have progressed under garrett, and hes won a lot of games in the NFL. It was time for him to leave dallas, but for a rebuilding team like the giants he could bring some value.

Just curious, but which names stand out that progressed under Garrett?

 

[Diehardblues]

It's really not. Dak is 27 and he threw 30 TDs last year and ran for 3. You just hope a new coach can get better play moving forward in those big situations. It's not about the regular season wins the past 4 years, can Dak and the team be better with a fresh start? That's the situation this team is in right now.

I understand but that’s an opinion based on hope and or expectations.

I’m arguing how it’s a double standard with a stench of agendas we can prop Dak up for our wins and loses last 4 years as a success but bash Garrett as a failure.