Video: Dak should take less. Skip and Emmitt are right

[G2]

Truthfully, if you believe it's none of our business, you shouldn't click into threads about his salary. That really makes no sense.

You said this before, why? We can only discuss the topic if we go along with the idea of not "overpaying" Prescott?

 

[Hadenough]

He hasn’t earned being the top paid player in the NFL

Agreed!!!
People on this board would criticize Winston if he got 35 mil a year but they think its ok to pay Dak that kind of money.

 

[tyke1doe]

But, that means you're not interested in winning a super bowl? I don't understand.

I'm looking at this from the player's view. Football is a brutal game. Football players get less compared to baseball and basketball players. And their bodies get broken up more than those other sports. Besides, these billionaire owners adopted the salary cap. They could have open bidding for players if they wanted. It's not the player's responsibility to be giving discount to billionaires. It's not Dak's responsibility to worry about saving Jerry Jones money. If I were Dak, I'd do the same thing. Of course, I'd think we could win the Super Bowl AND get paid.

 

[Buzzbait]

What kind of roster was Dak given in 2016? Great, mediocre, terrible?
I have never heard anyone -- especially those who are not fond of Dak -- describe that roster as anything other than the most talented roster in recent Dallas history, if not ever...….. If memory serves me correct, Tony Romo was given not one but two market setting contracts. So I would love to hear your opinion on how weak the 2016 roster was because this would literally be the first time in 4 years I have heard that roster described as anything but elite.

We had an excellent OL and Zeke hadn't gotten fat yet so he ran for over 1600 yards, but the defense was NOT ELITE by any means. It was mediocre. An elite defense that year would've taken us to the Super Bowl.

 

[Buzzbait]

I'm looking at this from the player's view. Football is a brutal game. Football players get less compared to baseball and basketball players. And their bodies get broken up more than those other sports. Besides, these billionaire owners adopted the salary cap. They could have open bidding for players if they wanted. It's not the player's responsibility to be giving discount to billionaires. It's not Dak's responsibility to worry about saving Jerry Jones money. If I were Dak, I'd do the same thing. Of course, I'd think we could win the Super Bowl AND get paid.

It's not about "saving Jerry Jones money". A smaller salary does not save money for Jerry, it saves "cap" money. Every team is REQUIRED to spend a minimum of 89% of the cap. Jerry can't put it in his pocket.
And it doesn't matter that the owners created the salary cap. The bottom line is this: As long as the cap is in place, each team has to learn to live with it or suffer with it. You can't ignore it.
If all you care about is making 1 player rich, fine: Pay Dak 50% of the cap and see what happens to the rest of your team! You'll end up with a high dollar QB surrounded by Home Depot players.

With a salary cap, when you overpay a few, you underpay the rest and you do not go the Super Bowl. It's not that hard to understand.

 

[tyke1doe]

It's not about "saving Jerry Jones money". A smaller salary does not save money for Jerry, it saves "cap" money. Every team is REQUIRED to spend a minimum of 89% of the cap. Jerry can't put it in his pocket.
And it doesn't matter that the owners created the salary cap. The bottom line is this: As long as the cap is in place, each team has to learn to live with it or suffer with it. You can't ignore it.
If all you care about is making 1 player rich, fine: Pay Dak 50% of the cap and see what happens to the rest of your team! You'll end up with a high dollar QB surrounded by Home Depot players.

With a salary cap, when you overpay a few, you underpay the rest and you do not go the Super Bowl. It's not that hard to understand.

Doesn't matter. It's not Dak's responsibility to worry about the team's finances. If he believes he's worth $40 million and the Cowboys want to pay it, good for Dak.
Jones is the owner. Let him make the tough decision, whether to franchise Dak, trade him or let him enter free agency.

 

[Buzzbait]

Doesn't matter. It's not Dak's responsibility to worry about the team's finances. If he believes he's worth $40 million and the Cowboys want to pay it, good for Dak.
Jones is the owner. Let him make the tough decision, whether to franchise Dak, trade him or let him enter free agency.

That attitude is fine if one is a Dak fan first but not a Cowboy fan.
Bottom line is the Cowboys have to live with the salary cap with or without Dak.
I like Dak Prescott and I hope we keep him, but I'm a Cowboy fan first. I want to see Dak AND the Cowboys go to the Super Bowl together.
If Dak leaves, are you going to dump the Cowboys and follow Dak to wherever he goes?

 

[G2]

I'm looking at this from the player's view. Football is a brutal game. Football players get less compared to baseball and basketball players. And their bodies get broken up more than those other sports. Besides, these billionaire owners adopted the salary cap. They could have open bidding for players if they wanted. It's not the player's responsibility to be giving discount to billionaires. It's not Dak's responsibility to worry about saving Jerry Jones money. If I were Dak, I'd do the same thing. Of course, I'd think we could win the Super Bowl AND get paid.

There could be and there often is a long term effect as well.
The staff builds the teams, not the players.
They had 4 years on his rookie salary.

 

[G2]

That attitude is fine if you're a Dak fan first but not a Cowboy fan.
The Cowboys have to live with the salary cap with or without Dak.
I like Dak Prescott and I hope we keep him, but I'm a Cowboy fan first. I want to see Dak AND the Cowboys go to the Super Bowl together.
If Dak leaves, are you going to dump the Cowboys and follow Dak to wherever he goes?

I'm both. But that doesn't mean I EXPECT any player to take a cut in his/her profession. If Prescott leaves I'll cheer on the next guy, please don't assume fans are ONLY a fan of Prescott.

 

[Buzzbait]

I'm both. But that doesn't mean I EXPECT any player to take a cut in his/her profession. If Prescott leaves I'll cheer on the next guy, please don't assume fans are ONLY a fan of Prescott.

That's cool, and I'm "both" also. I'm not really expecting Dak or anyone else to take a "CUT" in pay, I just hate to see the Cowboys overpay players regardless of who they are because it hurts the team. The Cowboys have been in cap hell before and I certainly don't want to see that happen again.
They already overpaid Dlaw and Zeke, so their backs are kind of up against the wall. If they keep overpaying, something's going to have to give.

 

[tyke1doe]

That attitude is fine if one is a Dak fan first but not a Cowboy fan.
Bottom line is the Cowboys have to live with the salary cap with or without Dak.
I like Dak Prescott and I hope we keep him, but I'm a Cowboy fan first. I want to see Dak AND the Cowboys go to the Super Bowl together.
If Dak leaves, are you going to dump the Cowboys and follow Dak to wherever he goes?

Right! You're a Cowboys FAN!
I'm looking at it from the PLAYER'S perspective. And from the perspective of one in Dak's shoes. How many of us, being in Dak's shoes, would take less for the good of the team?
Jerry Jones is responsible for worrying about the team's finances not Dak.
Now, as a FAN, yes, I agree with you. But I don't expect that of Dak.

 

[aikemirv]

His salary is none of our business. We are not stakeholders in the team in any financial way. People like to pretend fans are important. But truthfully we are merely the sheep who get sheered.

That's like saying customers are not important to the companies they buy products from. If the product deteriorates or becomes something of disdain to the fans then the business goes downhill.

Salary cap works to create the feeling that all teams have a chance. Making the owners spend the large majority of the cap means that teams must at least try to be competitive. Without the cap, Jeery would spend whatever he felt the increased revenue from success would justify. He may very not win every year but he would definitely spend more than everyone else to win.

The cap is crucial, therefore the salaries of each player effects the opportunities for success - so as a fan, their salaries, which the FANS ultimately pay, is our business!

 

[G2]

That's cool, and I'm "both" also. I'm not really expecting Dak or anyone else to take a "CUT" in pay, I just hate to see the Cowboys overpay players regardless of who they are because it hurts the team. The Cowboys have been in cap hell before and I certainly don't want to see that happen again.
They already overpaid Dlaw and Zeke, so their backs are kind of up against the wall. If they keep overpaying, something's going to have to give.

I get your point, but I disagree with the idea a player is overpaid. In a year, the cap will go up and other QBs will sign for bigger salaries. I don't like how high the QBs get extended for, but it is what it is.

 

[aikemirv]

Right! You're a Cowboys FAN!
I'm looking at it from the PLAYER'S perspective. And from the perspective of one in Dak's shoes. How many of us, being in Dak's shoes, would take less for the good of the team?
Jerry Jones is responsible for worrying about the team's finances not Dak.
Now, as a FAN, yes, I agree with you. But I don't expect that of Dak.

It all depends what you are playing for. You can have a good balance of what you are playing for. You definitely should get close to your value. For me, Iooking at it from the outside, I definitely would want to get a fair shake on the salary but I also think I would understand the team dynamic. I also think I would understand the economic dynamic of what it means to play half your games in a tax free state and also what endorsements I receive for being the QB of the Cowboys. The current state of affairs for NFL players is just treating it solely as a business, and if you are not the #1 company in your field, so what, you are doing just fine and making a good living. It is a bit like participation trophies, everybody is a winner in todays NFL with the salaries. No really reason for team success for the individual player who is just performing for the next contract.

To show true character as an athlete, as part of a team sport, you give up a little for the sake of the team. That's what team sports should be about. I understand that they are not anymore but that does not mean that the individual has to go that route. Each one has the opportunity to rise above the "respect" garbage and represent the true nature of what team sports should be about. I don't expect everyone to do that but I have much more respect for that player that does!

If your team owner is not using all of his cap space then as a player I would not give a dime in discount, but if that owner is pulling his weight in investing in the team for me as a player, then I would definitely take that to heart!

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Jerry and Dak are waiting on the new CBA, nothing will happen until then, the one or two franchise tag situation is huge, either Dak or Byron or Amari will probably be franchised, if two of them can, so much the better.

Of course that's "kicking the can down the road", but then there's the increase in the cap which occurs every year, that amount is also unknown exactly at this time.

What a mess the NFL is in

 

[kskboys]

You said this before, why? We can only discuss the topic if we go along with the idea of not "overpaying" Prescott?

No, if you believe it's none of our business, you are saying you don't want to discuss it.

 

[kskboys]

I'm looking at this from the player's view. Football is a brutal game. Football players get less compared to baseball and basketball players. And their bodies get broken up more than those other sports. Besides, these billionaire owners adopted the salary cap. They could have open bidding for players if they wanted. It's not the player's responsibility to be giving discount to billionaires. It's not Dak's responsibility to worry about saving Jerry Jones money. If I were Dak, I'd do the same thing. Of course, I'd think we could win the Super Bowl AND get paid.

It's not a "discount". It's a reasonable salary.

Why are you referring to saving Jerry money? That doesn't even make sense. This is about the salary cap, not about Jerry's personal finance.

 

[kskboys]

Right! You're a Cowboys FAN!
I'm looking at it from the PLAYER'S perspective. And from the perspective of one in Dak's shoes. How many of us, being in Dak's shoes, would take less for the good of the team?
Jerry Jones is responsible for worrying about the team's finances not Dak.
Now, as a FAN, yes, I agree with you. But I don't expect that of Dak.

I would be more than happy to play for 30 mil w/ an increased chance at a super bowl. You wouldn't?

 

[G2]

No, if you believe it's none of our business, you are saying you don't want to discuss it.

Not accurate.

 

[kskboys]

Not accurate.

I'm confused, then.

Why would one feel the need to state that his salary is none of our business in a thread discussing his salary? I really don't get it.