Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Just last year . He even lost to losing teams ( Chicago , Jets )

so Dak lost it all by himself? not the team? not the coaches fault? its all Dak? and what about 2016, 2017, 2018?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Also Dak has never been on the market. Its quite possible that other NFL teams dont value him as much as some Cowboys fans do. If he isnt signed by the Cowboys we could easily see him drifting from team to team ala Keenum or alternatively fading out of the league ala the likes of Freeman.

But more facts point to Dak being in demand than having a keenum type career given we know with 100% certainty no team (6 and counting) wants keenum and they all get to kick the tire and they just make that decision in one year. that should tell you a lot about keenum. His agent never even had a chance if he felt as if they could hold out for more money...the fact is they couldn't.

so this keenum vs. Dak comparison is not fair to Keenum, because it makes him look like a bum, and its not fair to Dak, given in 4 years he has started almost as many games as keenum in 8 years. in fact Keenum has only started more than 10 games in 2 seasons.

Dak has a lot more value in the market that the dak detractors want to acknowledge...unless we think Jones is a total Idiot (which he very well could be) and that McCarthy is clueless as well since he has called Dak a franchise QB. but hey what do they know, people on this board are way smarter...right? ​

 

[Miller]

Page 42. Sweet. One day I’ll start a thread that hits 42

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Dak just made $2 million. We shouldn’t pay Keenum any more than that. $7 million is $5 million too much. And then he better damn near lead the league in passing for that $2 million and Zeke better not face a stacked box. Every pass should be perfect.

I don't understand this logic. I mean, if this is true, then we should just keep Dak and pay him 2 mil for however longer he plays. Obviously, that doesn't make sense. Where does this come from, this line of thought?

 

[G2]

I don't understand this logic. I mean, if this is true, then we should just keep Dak and pay him 2 mil for however longer he plays. Obviously, that doesn't make sense. Where does this come from, this line of thought?

Of course you don't

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Math is hard for you isn't it?

If one player costs 35M, and another is 10M and you think you can get relatively similar production, it's a no brainer you get the 10M guy. In what world does 25M in cap space not allow you improve the rest of your team significantly? We were 8-8 with a 2M (or whatever) salary. Now we are pretty much guaranteed to no be able to field all the good players from last year, let alone bring in more to improve.

The long term solution is 99/100 drafting the right guy. On rare occassion, you may be able to trade for one, and even rarer they become a FA.

you hit the nail on the head for me...you are playing spreadsheet math...I save 20 mill and there fore I can be a better team because I get more FA. yet, who are the FA? and if these FAs are going to hit the market, they are usually really really expensive much like Dak or they are average players and why fill a team with a bunch of average players, including Keenum. what do you expect to accomplish?....given that a player of high caliber will cost high dollars to begin with...ala Lawrence....so a Lawrence + Keenum is a better option than Dak? and the QB is the most important position on the team....usually if a team lets a FA walk and doesn't give them a contract, its because they are either old, problematic or way too expensive....the rest that hit the market all have warts....

….so how will all these FAs make us better? provide a high level plan if you will...... and when was the last time a team built through FAs and succeeded? and you expect a guy who has done nothing in his career except for one season to take us to the promise land. so you are dismissing all his other years of mediocrity, all 7 years of mediocrity......but focusing on 2017 and saying lets do what Minnesota did, without knowing if that's even possible through FA....but by the same token you are focused on 2019 for Dak and dismissing all the previous years...and I am surprised with all the focus on Keenum, a guy who nobody wants...yet he is supposed to become the dallas savior because hey, he had one good season...who cares he sucked the other 7, I am just going to focus on that one season, because I got nothing else...

again, you are just playing Math as you said, without having a football plan.... unfortunately, spreadsheet math doesn't win championships.

and lets not forget, which is something we haven't even discussed..... we already have 95 mill in cap space and can easily open another 10-15 and if we want, we have zero dead cap money and we can fill the most important position on the team, and still get any of these other top FAs that you have not spoken of yet, including Cooper, Quinn and some middle of the pack FAs without having to worry about cap space..

I just don't think its a good idea to go with a journey man player, who has underwhelmed pretty much all his career at the most important position

and btw, I agree, long term solution is draft...unfortunately with the cap, the salary demands, draft has become the most important factor...and last year we totally screwed it up...and the year before, at this point we only have gallup to show for it and that is if LVE ever comes back and plays at a high level....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Of course you don't

Do you not feel as if it is the right thing to do to allow the poster to explain his position on such an obvious post? Or do you believe that it's better to simply make assumption and run with it? I mean, I know that's how this board works 90% of the time but I just feel like it's better to give the poster a chance to explain his true position. If you don't agree, that's fine but won't change the idea that I believe it's the right approach.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Bingo! Thats what these people dont seem to get. You take both QBs and you would be splitting hairs trying to argue which one is better. But with Keenum getting 7 mil to start vs Dak getting 35 mil to start should answer the question.

splitting hairs....Keenum is a bum nobody wants...but I guess winning the salary cap battle is what your championships are about.....in the mean time I would like a superbowl trophy not a math sheet trophy

 

[Kevinicus]

you hit the nail on the head for me...you are playing spreadsheet math...I save 20 mill and there fore I can be a better team because I get more FA. yet, who are the FA? and if these FAs are going to hit the market, they are usually really really expensive much like Dak or they are average players and why fill a team with a bunch of average players, including Keenum. what do you expect to accomplish?....given that a player of high caliber will cost high dollars to begin with...ala Lawrence....so a Lawrence + Keenum is a better option than Dak? and the QB is the most important position on the team....usually if a team lets a FA walk and doesn't give them a contract, its because they are either old, problematic or way too expensive....the rest that hit the market all have warts....

….so how will all these FAs make us better? provide a high level plan if you will...... and when was the last time a team built through FAs and succeeded? and you expect a guy who has done nothing in his career except for one season to take us to the promise land. so you are dismissing all his other years of mediocrity, all 7 years of mediocrity......but focusing on 2017 and saying lets do what Minnesota did, without knowing if that's even possible through FA....but by the same token you are focused on 2019 for Dak and dismissing all the previous years...and I am surprised with all the focus on Keenum, a guy who nobody wants...yet he is supposed to become the dallas savior because hey, he had one good season...who cares he sucked the other 7, I am just going to focus on that one season, because I got nothing else...

again, you are just playing Math as you said, without having a football plan.... unfortunately, spreadsheet math doesn't win championships.

and lets not forget, which is something we haven't even discussed..... we already have 95 mill in cap space and can easily open another 10-15 and if we want, we have zero dead cap money and we can fill the most important position on the team, and still get any of these other top FAs that you have not spoken of yet, including Cooper, Quinn and some middle of the pack FAs without having to worry about cap space..

I just don't think its a good idea to go with a journey man player, who has underwhelmed pretty much all his career at the most important position

and btw, I agree, long term solution is draft...unfortunately with the cap, the salary demands, draft has become the most important factor...and last year we totally screwed it up...and the year before, at this point we only have gallup to show for it and that is if LVE ever comes back and plays at a high level....

Dear Lord, please help this man.

 

[Aviano90]

I don't understand this logic. I mean, if this is true, then we should just keep Dak and pay him 2 mil for however longer he plays. Obviously, that doesn't make sense. Where does this come from, this line of thought?

Everyone is concerned about money. Our last QB was dirt cheap and hated because the thought is he sucks. Why do we want to increase our QB costs and get a worse QB than Dak? Roll the dice and draft another cheap QB. Dak sucks, so shouldn't be too hard to get another crappy QB on the cheap, right? Anyone should be able to step in and be a bus driver with our weapons.

 

[garyo1954]

Does this thread retire at page 65?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Everyone is concerned about money. Our last QB was dirt cheap and hated because the thought is he sucks. Why do we want to increase our QB costs and get a worse QB than Dak? Roll the dice and draft another cheap QB. Dak sucks, so shouldn't be too hard to get another crappy QB on the cheap, right? Anyone should be able to step in and be a bus driver with our weapons.

Our last QB as in Dak? If this is who you are referring to, I would disagree because I don't think he "Sucked" per say. I don't believe he is one of the top QBs in the entire league but he is far from "Suck" IMO.

I also don't think you can say Keenum is necessarily worse, per say. It's relative at this point. I think that we don't know what Keenum might be in Dallas but I think there is reason to believe that he can produce similar numbers. The problem is the focus on Keenum, to me. The problem is not Keenum vs Dak. The problem is Dak's contract demands, going forward. You can insert any QB into this conversation and argue the merits but the issue is contract, it's not who the option is that you might bring in if you can't get a deal done IMO.

 

[G2]

Do you not feel as if it is the right thing to do to allow the poster to explain his position on such an obvious post? Or do you believe that it's better to simply make assumption and run with it? I mean, I know that's how this board works 90% of the time but I just feel like it's better to give the poster a chance to explain his true position. If you don't agree, that's fine but won't change the idea that I believe it's the right approach.

You don't even get that you don't get it.

 

[G2]

Everyone is concerned about money. Our last QB was dirt cheap and hated because the thought is he sucks. Why do we want to increase our QB costs and get a worse QB than Dak? Roll the dice and draft another cheap QB. Dak sucks, so shouldn't be too hard to get another crappy QB on the cheap, right? Anyone should be able to step in and be a bus driver with our weapons.

How soon fans forget the other high priced contracts.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You don't even get that you don't get it.

LOL.... and here we go. I just told you that I did not wish to make assumption. But this post is actually doing just that. OK, if that's how you want to proceed, that's fine. I do not wish to do that and so, I suppose this concludes our discussion.

 

[G2]

LOL.... and here we go. I just told you that I did not wish to make assumption. But this post is actually doing just that. OK, if that's how you want to proceed, that's fine. I do not wish to do that and so, I suppose this concludes our discussion.

Fantastic!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Fantastic!

Agreed.

 

[garyo1954]

Our last QB as in Dak? If this is who you are referring to, I would disagree because I don't think he "Sucked" per say. I don't believe he is one of the top QBs in the entire league but he is far from "Suck" IMO.

I also don't think you can say Keenum is necessarily worse, per say. It's relative at this point. I think that we don't know what Keenum might be in Dallas but I think there is reason to believe that he can produce similar numbers. The problem is the focus on Keenum, to me. The problem is not Keenum vs Dak. The problem is Dak's contract demands, going forward. You can insert any QB into this conversation and argue the merits but the issue is contract, it's not who the option is that you might bring in if you can't get a deal done IMO.

Agreed! It's not about Dak, the person. It's about being able to pay "insert QB" and build a team.

Good post!

 

[Aviano90]

Our last QB as in Dak? If this is who you are referring to, I would disagree because I don't think he "Sucked" per say. I don't believe he is one of the top QBs in the entire league but he is far from "Suck" IMO.

I also don't think you can say Keenum is necessarily worse, per say. It's relative at this point. I think that we don't know what Keenum might be in Dallas but I think there is reason to believe that he can produce similar numbers. The problem is the focus on Keenum, to me. The problem is not Keenum vs Dak. The problem is Dak's contract demands, going forward. You can insert any QB into this conversation and argue the merits but the issue is contract, it's not who the option is that you might bring in if you can't get a deal done IMO.

I don't want to increase our QB cost for a crappy QB. If we are going to go with a crappy QB, I'd like to draft one and pay him peanuts, like we did with Dak.

I don't want to take a QB like Stafford, pay him $18 million more than Dak was paid last year just because he may be $15 million less than what Dak wants to make moving forward.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't want to increase our QB cost for a crappy QB. If we are going to go with a crappy QB, I'd like to draft one and pay him peanuts, like we did with Dak.

I don't want to take a QB like Stafford, pay him $18 million more than Dak was paid last year just because he may be $15 million less than what Dak wants to make moving forward.

I understand you don't want to increase the cost but it's here nor there. Cost is going to increase either way, unless your plan is to draft a QB in the later rounds and either start that guy or bring in a QB that you can pay 2 mil to.

Understand, your opinion of Keenum is not everybodies opinion. So to say you don't want to pay for a crappy QB is not accepted in all corners.

You want to pay Dak what? Lets start there.