Putting all the Blame on the Front Office is Disingenuous

[zrinkill]

Bullcrap ........ socks to jocks ........ Jerry reaps what he sows

 

[SSoup]

How is that working out for Daniel Snyder?

These negotiations aren't easy and they almost always get done right at the deadline. We don't have any real insight into the negotiations with Amari Cooper but from all indications Dak's agent was the one with unrealistic expectations. He wasn't getting lowballed, it was France asking for something out of line with the market. That's his job and he got it for Tannehill, but that doesn't mean Dallas should do it.

I'm not sure I follow the Daniel Snyder reference.

Snyder is famous for crippling the team by signing guys for what they cost on the open market. I'm saying we could have signed our guys cheaper than they'll end up costing. The "waiting" strategy locked us into paying more in line with their open market value. Or else losing them. Either of those scenarios seem like losses.

Try all you want, but you won't convince me the front office did the smart thing in trading a 1st rounder for a player and then letting him walk. Nor will you convince me matching what the open market offers him today is better than paying him what it would've cost to lock him up the day we traded for him.

And, by the way, if you honestly think there's no number that exists at which he would have re-signed because he was dead-set on hitting free agency, blame the front office for making the trade without any assurances beforehand. That's on them too, if that's what you think.

If the Eagles or Giants or Commanders were in our shoes now, you'd be laughing at how stupid their front office is for trading a 1st for a guy months away from free agency without even agreeing to lock him down up front. But when it happens to us, you're bending over backwards to say it's an evil agent unreasonably and unfairly victimizing us with his evil greed? Come on now.

 

[817Gill]

Demarco Murray, Demarcus Ware

Murray was a great decision, a non-generational RB makes no sense to break the bank on him. And Ware was on his what 3rd/4th contract? I don’t really consider an aging player’s situation the same as this the dynamics are totally different.

Good discussion points though I appreciate the response

 

[Redball Express]

Where I think the FO fails is with their reluctance to move on from their stars in timely fashion so as to get something substantial for them (see 49ers with Buckner). It inevitably leads to overpaying of some and losing others with no comparable compensation.

The Cowboys are pretty damn good at picking the stars, but having 3 of the 5 top FAs in a given year screaof holding on too long and a lack of succession planning. There has to be an exit strategy for every player on the roster. The Hoodie knows.

At times just pointing at the front office as the source of the problem about losing them is a bit narrow.

Some players want to move on. They do not care who pays them. Especially early in their careers.

Sometimes they are older, made their money on their 1st and 2nd contracts but. Not won much and want a ring.

Then they supposedly take less. Not really sure about all that. I think they just want more money.

When you talk about exit strategy for players, ask Dez about that. Not always something one can control. Ask Garrett.

 

[Kaiser]

I'm not sure I follow the Daniel Snyder reference.

Your post was "If you're nibbling around the edges and it's not happening, that means you have to bowl them over.".

Daniel Snyder is the guy who "bowls people over" and the Commanders are perennial losers even with Snyder "bowling over" a bunch of free agents.

What Dallas does is match the market rate, its what they have done from the Dez Bryant deal (Demaryius Thomas) to Zeke's extension (Todd Gurley). They have done that consistently but it doesn't happen quickly, by nature it normally happens close to the deadlines.

 

[Sydla]

Your post was "If you're nibbling around the edges and it's not happening, that means you have to bowl them over.".

Daniel Snyder is the guy who "bowls people over" and the Commanders are perennial losers even with Snyder "bowling over" a bunch of free agents.

What Dallas does is match the market rate, its what they have done from the Dez Bryant deal (Demaryius Thomas) to Zeke's extension (Todd Gurley). They have done that consistently but it doesn't happen quickly, by nature it normally happens close to the deadlines.

What deadline here with Cooper and Quinn?

Cooper and Quinn are FAs. They can negotiate with any team they want. They could give the Cowboys a chance to match or not.

Dez was tagged and Zeke held out. The Cowboys held their rights so arguing Cooper and Quinn are the same because of a "deadline" is bizarre. There's no deadline here with Cooper and Quinn. It's now simply about whether the Cowboys are given and would match any other offer.

 

[Kaiser]

Try all you want, but you won't convince me the front office did the smart thing in trading a 1st rounder for a player and then letting him walk.

Sorry, where did Cooper sign?

 

[SSoup]

Sorry, where did Cooper sign?

My post covered all of the possible outcomes.

1. Cooper signing elsewhere.
2. Cooper signing with us if we match and beat what the open market offers.

I'm not assuming he's gone, I'm discussing who will be to blame if he is gone. And who will be to blame if we've shot ourselves in the foot by choosing to pay him the open-market rate instead of what it would have cost to sign him as soon as we traded for him.

 

[nightrain]

At times just pointing at the front office as the source of the problem about losing them is a bit narrow.

Some players want to move on. They do not care who pays them. Especially early in their careers.

Sometimes they are older, made their money on their 1st and 2nd contracts but. Not won much and want a ring.

Then they supposedly take less. Not really sure about all that. I think they just want more money.

When you talk about exit strategy for players, ask Dez about that. Not always something one can control. Ask Garrett.

I'm speaking more about players looking for their first deal after the rookie contract expires. Those are typically the most impactful players in the NFL and at a time in their careers when they are worth the most. Dez? LOL!

 

[Kaiser]

My post covered all of the possible outcomes.

1. Cooper signing elsewhere.
2. Cooper signing with us if we match and beat what the open market offers.

You are missing the mostly likely scenario, which is likely what Cooper's agent has been pushing for the entire time. That scenario is Cooper gets good but not great offers in FA and takes the same deal in Dallas to put him somewhere between 4th and 8th in WR salary (he was 9th this year).

But if someone offers him a deal as crazy as the Byron Jones deal, Dallas was right to trade for him and right to not match an insane offer. The trade saved the 2018 season, he put up good numbers in 2019 and you still make that deal even if there is a small chance of him walking in 2020.

 

[Daygoboy6191]

She did, that's sort of why we're no longer seeing one another.

Well there you go

 

[garyv]

Coop and Dak’s agents both wanted to wait until the CBA and other comparable contracts were signed. In Coopers case, he was signed to an agency with 2 agents repping him. The agency split and Coop had to take some time to decide which of the two would represent him. In Daks case we all know who Todd France is and what Dak was doing when he made that switch. Byron IMO was never a serious candidate for a long term top of the market deal.

We see stories about the team not being in contact but the reports and quotes from Amari and Daks negotiations illustrate that the players representation wants to exercise all possible leverage. More power to them but it takes 2 to negotiate. I know we think the FO is run by idiots but they literally have no incentive at all to wait till the last second to initiate communication. Deadlines make deals when you negotiate; not when the other party isn’t willing to talk at all.

They have dragged it over a year so as tge saying goes when you snooze you loose

 

[Kaiser]

We see stories about the team not being in contact but the reports and quotes from Amari and Daks negotiations illustrate that the players representation wants to exercise all possible leverage. More power to them but it takes 2 to negotiate. I know we think the FO is run by idiots but they literally have no incentive at all to wait till the last second to initiate communication. Deadlines make deals when you negotiate; not when the other party isn’t willing to talk at all.

Bumping this thread because you were right, right ahead of time and had to spend the day reading posts saying you weren't.

 

[817Gill]

Bumping this thread because you were right, right ahead of time and had to spend the day reading posts saying you weren't.

I appreciate you looking out brotha!

 

[Redball Express]

I'm speaking more about players looking for their first deal after the rookie contract expires. Those are typically the most impactful players in the NFL and at a time in their careers when they are worth the most. Dez? LOL!

Dez was a throw away comment.

He dug his own grave with the sideline rants and drops.

He is trying to comeback but that ain't going to happen like Witten ain't going to happen.

That is past Cowboy history MM wants no part of.

 

[Kaiser]

es, they tried to get that "home town deal" and it blew up in their faces. None of these guys cared or were intimidated by the Cowboys luster or the Joneses bluster. And now Junior will either pay top market rates, or lose the players. He failed.

Remind me Ralph Wiggum, did Dallas lose Amari and Dak?

 

[Stash]

Remind me Ralph Wiggum, did Dallas lose Amari and Dak?

He just paid 'top rate" for Cooper, as I said he would. Keep failing!

 

[Kaiser]

He just paid 'top rate" for Cooper, as I said he would. Keep failing!

And why did Cooper's salary cap charge go down and not up? Is that the incompetent disaster scenario you and the others here keep whining about?

 

[Stash]

And why did Cooper's salary cap charge go down and not up? Is that the incompetent disaster scenario you and the others here keep whining about?

What are you referring to here? In your obvious rage, you're rambling.

 

[Kaiser]

What are you referring to here? In your obvious rage, you're rambling.

Amari Cooper Salary Cap charge for 2019 and 2020. You don't get it because you never have and never will.