Melvin Gordon's contract vs Zeke's contract

[jnday]

Yeah too bad he couldn’t get more INT’s to keep up with Zeke’s 15 fumbles in just 4 years. I can’t recall how many times those fumbles actually resulted in turnovers but I assure you it was more than two.

So in other words, Byron gets knocked for not getting INT’s even though he took away other teams best receivers by himself but Zeke gets a free pass for all of his fumbles because he had the meaningless rushing title due to the O line. What’s the difference? A turnover is a turnover.

Dak has 31 fumbles in the same time period that Zeke has 15. We don’t give Zeke a hard time about fumbles when there is another offensive player that has more than double of the number that Zeke has.

 

[aria]

Dak has 31 fumbles in the same time period that Zeke has 15. We don’t give Zeke a hard time about fumbles when there is another offensive player that has more than double of the number that Zeke has.

Lol, as I’ve said I’m on the Zeke hate train, I don’t need to butt heads with the conductor of the Dak hate train over who is less worthy so I’ll refrain from this one

 

[jnday]

Lol, as I’ve said I’m on the Zeke hate train, I don’t need to butt heads with the conductor of the Dak hate train over who is less worthy so I’ll refrain from this one

I wish we lived closer. We could get a cup of hateful coffee and compare the hatred that we have for our most hated player.

 

[Aviano90]

I wish we lived closer. We could get a cup of hateful coffee and compare the hatred that we have for our most hated player.

You live close to San Antonio? We could up it to alcohol and have a grand ole time?

 

[aria]

I wish we lived closer. We could get a cup of hateful coffee and compare the hatred that we have for our most hated player.

I could honestly learn a lot from you but I only have enough hate to focus properly on one player and it happens to be Zeke. I haven’t done enough comparisons, analyzed enough stats, etc on Dak so I remain somewhat pessimistically neutral on him.

Unlike Zeke who I can’t stand as a person and think Jerry messed up big time by drafting him as high as he did and paying him as much as he did regardless of what I think of him as a person. Honestly, I keep my criticisms of him as a person and as a player unrelated, I would criticize his contract and draft pick even if he were my favorite player on the team.

 

[Aviano90]

Well, for the fumble, yes. For getting stuffed, no. He is supposed to be this back that gets the tough yards, right?

And yes I was wrong about the fumble. I looked at the stats and it wasn’t a fumble and reviewed the replay. He was stripped of the ball after forward progress was stopped. So I was wrong and I apologize.

Now I have admitted my error. Would you like to review the sequence of events you described regarding the Murray fumble? It isn’t accurate.

So it is 10+ hours since @Cowboy Lover lover has ignored his false characterization of the Murray fumble. Are you asleep at the wheel and embarrassed because you were so wrong and not man enough to admit you were lying?

I have a hard time believing we had a back and forth conversation where I admitted I made a mistake and then he disappears when called out on a gross error in recollection.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Byron Jones wasn’t a playmaker and during his 5 seasons with the Cowboys he only had 2 career INT’s. Was he worth being paid the most at his position, $17 million per season based on what he’s done?

If you're simple enough to just look at ints as a statistic then no.

Just as you'd be foolish to only look at sacks when grading a defensive lineman.

Are you foolish?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You will spend half and get about half of the impact in games from Gordon. Defense are not going to stack the box to stop Gordon like they do for Zeke. Dak won’t get those stats that the Dakettes bragg about without Zeke and the adjustments that defenses make to stop him.

That's not how any of this works. The vast majority of Zeke's success has come as a result of this offensive line. All studies that have tried to divorce rbs from their lines are not kind to Zeke.

A healthy Gordon would be a pro bowler here. As would most RBs who we gave a full compliment of carries to.

 

[KJJ]

If you're simple enough to just look at ints as a statistic then no.

Just as you'd be foolish to only look at sacks when grading a defensive lineman.

Are you foolish?

Interceptions are what gets corners in the Hall of Fame and sacks are what gets DEs in the Hall if Fame. You won’t find a corner in the Hall of Fame who didn’t have a lot of INTs and you won’t find a DE in Canton who didn’t have a number of sacks. Jones was preventing some plays but he wasn’t getting takeaways. He lacks ball skills and instincts. You’re claiming the Cowboys made a terrible blunder by letting him walk. I’ll ask you again was he worth $17 million per season? That’s what the Cowboys would have had to pay to keep him. Our secondary wasn’t very good with him because we don’t have any ball hawks.

 

[aria]

Interceptions are what gets corners in the Hall of Fame and sacks are what gets DEs in the Hall if Fame. You won’t find a corner in the Hall of Fame who didn’t have a lot of INTs and you won’t find a DE in Canton who didn’t have a number of sacks. Jones was preventing some plays but he wasn’t getting takeaways. He lacks ball skills and instincts. You’re claiming the Cowboys made a terrible blunder by letting him walk. I’ll ask you again was he worth $17 million per season? That’s what the Cowboys would have had to pay to keep him. Our secondary wasn’t very good with him because we don’t have any ball hawks.

Too bad fumbles don’t get RB’s in the HOF, Zeke would have it locked up by now.

 

[lqmac1]

Gordon is a better runner, catcher, teammate, and costs half the price. Team Gordon with Pollard for half the price and you can spend the other 7 million on a DE. Both Pollard and Gordon has serious big play potential Offense would be much more potent and diverse.

Wow

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Interceptions are what gets corners in the Hall of Fame and sacks are what gets DEs in the Hall if Fame. You won’t find a corner in the Hall of Fame who didn’t have a lot of INTs and you won’t find a DE in Canton who didn’t have a number of sacks. Jones was preventing some plays but he wasn’t getting takeaways. He lacks ball skills and instincts. You’re claiming the Cowboys made a terrible blunder by letting him walk. I’ll ask you again was he worth $17 million per season? That’s what the Cowboys would have had to pay to keep him. Our secondary wasn’t very good with him because we don’t have any ball hawks.

You can lead a horse to the water but you cannot make him drink.

Also I didn't say it was a terrible blunder to let him go. That's you making things up. I said i'd much rather have overpaid him than overpaid Zeke. And ultimately the money was very similar.

Please stop inventing my argument.

 

[blueblood70]

Dak has 31 fumbles in the same time period that Zeke has 15. We don’t give Zeke a hard time about fumbles when there is another offensive player that has more than double of the number that Zeke has.

and makes 2.4 times his salary..lol

 

[KJJ]

You can lead a horse to the water but you cannot make him drink.

Also I didn't say it was a terrible blunder to let him go. That's you making things up. I said i'd much rather have overpaid him than overpaid Zeke. And ultimately the money was very similar.

Please stop inventing my argument.

If you didn’t say it was a terrible blunder to pay Zeke and let Byron Jones go then try clearing up this comment.

Let me stop you right here. You're wrong.



This doesn't prove your point. It just proves the Cowboys front office has made a terrible blunder. Your point would only be proven if the Cowboys FO was infallible and just soaked in glory. Is that the case?

That response was to this comment.

In today’s game corner usually is more valuable than an RB but it depends on the team.

The bottom line is Zeke was more important to the team than Jones. The offense was built around him and the running game. Zeke wasn’t overpaid he deserved to be the highest paid RB in the league based on his numbers. The problem with you is you don’t want to pay an RB. Byron Jones certainly didn’t deserve to be the highest paid corner based on his lack of playmaking skills.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The bottom line is Zeke was more important to the team than Jones. .

This is only true if you stupidly believe RB production is not easily replaced.

I am not stupid.

 

[KJJ]

This is only true if you stupidly believe RB production is not easily replaced.

I am not stupid.

The Cowboys thought RB production could easily be replaced when they let Murray walk after the 2014 season and they were wrong. The RBs we had the following season including McFadden produced over 400 fewer rushing yards and less than half the TDs that Murray scored the previous season. This is why we drafted Zeke in 2016. It’s funny how some on this board continue to think that an RB by committee would work. A committee of backs has only been successful once with the Cowboys in the early 70s but they had an elite runner as part of the rotation. Nothing is going to change your opinion or mine so I’m done with you on this topic.

 

[aria]

The Cowboys thought RB production could easily be replaced when they let Murray walk after the 2014 season and they were wrong. The RBs we had the following season including McFadden produced over 400 fewer rushing yards and less than half the TDs that Murray scored the previous season. This is why we drafted Zeke in 2016. It’s funny how some on this board continue to think that an RB by committee would work. A committee of backs has only been successful once with the Cowboys in the early 70s but they had an elite runner as part of the rotation. Nothing is going to change your opinion or mine so I’m done with you on this topic.

Apples to oranges. Murray had one HUGE year which was above and beyond what most any RB would do in one season, 2014 was far from the norm.

McFadden came in 2015 and still got over 1K yards and that was without Romo for 3/4ths of the season and teams could focus on stopping the run. They sure didn’t have to worry about Cassle or Weeden.

Obviously you fail to look at the big picture though and just focus on numbers, like Zeke’s meaningless rushing titles but ignoring the O line he’s had or saying Jones wasn’t worth it because he would shut down other teams top receivers but didn’t have enough INT’s.

Lol, incredible how you paint a story. I’ll give you credit for trying to be the master of illusion but you come up short.

 

[DIAF]

Zeke is an elite RB no doubt, but do you want an elite RB at Zeke's salary, or a RB that gives you 85% of that production at Melvin Gordon's salary? Give me option 2 any day, and ill make up the difference at QB or WR or DE or CB.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The Cowboys thought RB production could easily be replaced when they let Murray walk after the 2014 season and they were wrong. The RBs we had the following season including McFadden produced over 400 fewer rushing yards and less than half the TDs that Murray scored the previous season. This is why we drafted Zeke in 2016. It’s funny how some on this board continue to think that an RB by committee would work. A committee of backs has only been successful once with the Cowboys in the early 70s but they had an elite runner as part of the rotation. Nothing is going to change your opinion or mine so I’m done with you on this topic.

They weren't wrong. A Darren McFadden picked off the street ran for 1k yards with no QB support and Alfred Morris averaged 5 ypc. We scored fewer TDs and ran for fewer yards because we had the single worst QB situation in all of football.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Melvin Gordon reached an agreement on a two-year, $16 million deal that includes $13.5 million guaranteed with the Denver Broncos, a source confirmed to ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28931790/source-ex-chargers-rb-melvin-gordon-agrees-broncos


Ezekiel Elliott signed a 6 year, $90,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $7,500,000 signing bonus, $50,052,137 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $15,000,000.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/ezekiel-elliott-18952/

Zeke is better but not that much better.

Late at night, when you are alone and sad, do you still get wistful over the first girl that broke up with you in highschool?