Finishing up this year's fa class-DE,WR,SS

[John813]

When does the, we can sign a player without losing a comp pick, time begin? Cause I'm pretty sure that's what they're waiting on now.

Last year it was May 2nd/roughly two weeks after the draft.

Of course, any player that has been cut, won't affect the comp pick formula at any time

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Nobody will pay 20 at this point, but he will still get 17 from someone.

I personally don’t even see 17. Maybe If it’s a one year deal.....I don’t think he’s getting anywhere near 20...if he does it will come from the Seahawks and then I think the price has to come down considerably....

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I personally don’t even see 17. Maybe If it’s a one year deal.....I don’t think he’s getting anywhere near 20...if he does it will come from the Seahawks and then I think the price has to come down considerably....

This! And after the draft? Not seeing 17M. That is when you usually get the Goodwill prices then. No one is looking to spend that at that point, they are looking to lock up there draft picks then and whatever FA are leftovers.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This! And after the draft? Not seeing 17M. That is when you usually get the Goodwill prices then. No one is looking to spend that at that point, they are looking to lock up there draft picks then and whatever FA are leftovers.

YEP! And value will go down even more if this drags out past the draft. At this point his best interest is to go to the best fit for the highest deal he can get sign a 1year deal and start this process over again if he truly wants that 20 million per year.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

YEP! And value will go down even more if this drags out past the draft. At this point his best interest is to go to the best fit for the highest deal he can get sign a 1year deal and start this process over again if he truly wants that 20 million per year.

This is why I'm not ruling the Cowboys out .........remember someone ( can't remember if it was Fish or not) said we had interest but his price would have to come way down.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This is why I'm not ruling the Cowboys out .........remember someone ( can't remember if it was Fish or not) said we had interest but his price would have to come way down.

Yeah I do remember that......and usually I'd be upset about that but this is the prime person to do that for. Just sit back and wait until that price comes down....if it never comes down...so be it.

 

[Cowboyny]

I think at this point we are close enough to the draft that they will wait to see what happens with DE and Safety. There will be several good players like Chaisson at 17 that would be capable of starting at some point in their rookie years. The same for Safety but I don't think the team is worried about having to start Woods and Dix next year. But they likely draft one high.

CB and Swing Tackle are the spots you aren't listing, I think a CB is drafted high but they still look out for veterans to take a one year rebound contract. Its a deep draft for OT so I think they draft a project around the 4th or 5th but still sign an older veteran.

Slot WR could be a guy like Dorsett but I think they definitely take a WR in the draft. McCarthy drafted Randall Cobb in the 2nd round and he was productive right away, its not hard to see that happening with a 3rd or 4th round pick.

-I don't think they can rely on Crawford coming off of hip surgery nor Gregory who is still suspended. They are going to add another veteran.
-It was telling, after we saw Trufant signed, Brown was brought back immediately. This suggests they didn't like the rest of the field.
-Team wasn't going to release Fleming without someone in place. Could the surprise retirement of Travis alter their plans?
-Dorsett is off the market. Team was aggressive in trying to land Sanders, this suggests they want more of a veteran for that role. I believe they will add another WR via the draft, if not 2.

 

[Cowboyny]

You have to think of this like Jerry and Stephen do.

RDE - Gregory comes back, Crawford. Armstrong, Jelks, Jackson. We aren’t signing anybody

SS - Woods plays SS now. They drafted Wilson last year. HaHa and Thompson at FS, Woods and Wilson at SS. Doubt we make any moves

WR - This would be logical. But with a loaded draft we could be sitting and waiting.



If I’m not mistaken, we still have one comp pick we could afford to lose. We are over the amount of picks we can be rewarded

There were rumblings that they were involved in trying to land Von Bell, this was after Dix was signed.

 

[Cowboyny]

1) RDE - Gregory may be reinstated by the time the draft rolls around. Even if he's not, I expect them to be penciling him in as the starter. With Gregory at minimum a strong possibility of coming back, I don't see them spending a high pick on RDE.

2) Given the need for a WR #3 this year, and a replacement for Gallup in 2022, they avail themselves of a strong WR draft class with a pick in the 3rd or 4th. They shouldn't stop there. They should also bring in a vet true wideout to back up the starters.

3) Low level SS veteran signing does make sense. But it always does and rarely seems to happen, unless we're talking a vet min type guys. But will defensive philosophy change with McCarthy to value SS more, and pick one high? Maybe pick a FS, and move Dix to SS.

Burnett, Randall were high selections by Green Bay during his tenture.

 

[Cowboyny]

Clowney wants 20 million. He won’t settle for anything under 17-18. Somebody will pay

If Clowney accepts a 1 yr deal, he will resign with the Seahawks.

 

[Cowboyny]

This sounds right with the positions mentioned in the OP.

The only name that intrigues me is Griffen. For the right price I get him.

Just a opinion, maybe they are trying to resign Dak to free up more cap money to make such a signing.

 

[Typhus]

There were rumblings that they were involved in trying to land Von Bell, this was after Dix was signed.

That ship has done sailed.

 

[Future]

Why wouldn't Clowney be an option? He's the best player available, and they have more than enough cap space.

 

[Kaiser]

-I don't think they can rely on Crawford coming off of hip surgery nor Gregory who is still suspended. They are going to add another veteran.
-It was telling, after we saw Trufant signed, Brown was brought back immediately. This suggests they didn't like the rest of the field.
-Team wasn't going to release Fleming without someone in place. Could the surprise retirement of Travis alter their plans?
-Dorsett is off the market. Team was aggressive in trying to land Sanders, this suggests they want more of a veteran for that role. I believe they will add another WR via the draft, if not 2.

Thanks, I missed Dorsett signing.

I do think they add a DE but I think the process is to see if they get one in the first or second round and if not, add a veteran then.

Agree that CB comes from the draft, there are plenty available.

I think swing tackle has plenty of options, its a deep draft for OTs and when you look at all the new coaches McCarthy has hired they have connections to every veteran OL in the league who might take a contract late in the offseason to fill that spot.

 

[Cowboys22]

Why wouldn't Clowney be an option? He's the best player available, and they have more than enough cap space.

Because they would have to essentially trade one of their 3rd round comp picks they have coming next year for the right to sign him. They aren’t going to do that. Plus, they don’t sign big money outside free agents. They sign their own guys to big deals and look for bargain placeholders while they draft someone to take that spot. That appears to be the MO and it likely won’t change anytime soon.

 

[Future]

Because they would have to essentially trade one of their 3rd round comp picks they have coming next year for the right to sign him. They aren’t going to do that. Plus, they don’t sign big money outside free agents. They sign their own guys to big deals and look for bargain placeholders while they draft someone to take that spot. That appears to be the MO and it likely won’t change anytime soon.

You trade a 3rd rounder for Clowney 100% of the time.

Griffin isn't going to be a bargain either. But what the Cowboys are averse to is term, not dollar value. Clowney for 2 years at, say, $18m, is a no brainer to me.

 

[Cowboyny]

Why wouldn't Clowney be an option? He's the best player available, and they have more than enough cap space.

They aren't going to spend that type of money, even on a 1yr deal.

 

[Cowboys22]

You trade a 3rd rounder for Clowney 100% of the time.

Griffin isn't going to be a bargain either. But what the Cowboys are averse to is term, not dollar value. Clowney for 2 years at, say, $18m, is a no brainer to me.

You might but they won’t, especially after a 3.5 sack season last year. No one that can rush the passer effectively is going to be a bargain on the open market and that is why they won’t sign one of the remaining guys. It’s also why Crawford is still employed and is not being asked to take a paycut. They expect Gregory back also and have three other young DEs. They may draft one but if not, they could look for a situation like fell in their laps with Quinn last year. Everyone seems to forget there are surprise cuts and trades every year all the way up through the end of training camp. They will not pay top dollar at this point. There is plenty of time to find a bargain and there are plenty of fallback options already on the roster. One of them may just be asked to step up and contribute.

 

[Cowboyny]

Thanks, I missed Dorsett signing.

I do think they add a DE but I think the process is to see if they get one in the first or second round and if not, add a veteran then.

Agree that CB comes from the draft, there are plenty available.

I think swing tackle has plenty of options, its a deep draft for OTs and when you look at all the new coaches McCarthy has hired they have connections to every veteran OL in the league who might take a contract late in the offseason to fill that spot.

-In my opinion, I believe Clowney is holding up the other fa's at the position. Their agents are waiting to see how much and where he lands. It has be reported that the Seahawks want him back, but have a backup plan if he departs, perhaps Griffen.

-Believe the team would never of let go Fleming unless they already had an in-house replacement ready. Knight might be that guy, at a much lower rate.

 

[Future]

They aren't going to spend that type of money, even on a 1yr deal.

This is baseless. There's no real precedent for a guy like Clowney being available to make that kind of assumption.