Pollard is good, but he's no Zeke

[Adreme]

Carrs deal
Derek Carr signed a 5 year, $125,000,000 contract with the Oakland Raiders, including a $12,500,000 signing bonus, $70,200,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $25,000,000. In 2020, Carr will earn a base salary of $18,900,000 and a workout bonus of $100,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,500,000 and a dead cap value of $7,900,000.

how much has Dak made over the same time frame and who got paid without asking and who is FT?

When Carr signed his deal it made him the highest paid player in league history. Even then, at his best, he was not a top 10 QB, but it was his time so became the highest paid because even the Raiders, who are mismanaged mess, knew that if you do not have a QB you do not have a chance.

 

[blueblood70]

When Carr signed his deal it made him the highest paid player in league history. Even then, at his best, he was not a top 10 QB, but it was his time so became the highest paid because even the Raiders, who are mismanaged mess, knew that if you do not have a QB you do not have a chance.

you brought up Daks impending deal as if it somehow proved how hes so much better then Carr when Carr got his deal a long time ago and Daks on the FT..it proves nothing but they are still in the same Tier.. whos better we wont know Carr didnt play for the Cowboys so we dont know given the same weapons in the same division how that works out BUT WE DO KNOW AC HAD 2 PBS AND TWO 1K SEASONS WITH CARR..

 

[Adreme]

you brought up Daks impending deal as if it somehow proved how hes so much better then Carr when Carr got his deal a long time ago and Daks on the FT..it proves nothing but they are still in the same Tier.. whos better we wont know Carr didnt play for the Cowboys so we dont know given the same weapons in the same division how that works out BUT WE DO KNOW AC HAD 2 PBS AND TWO 1K SEASONS WITH CARR..

You keep saying they are in the same tier but that does not make it true. There is a reason that if Dak were a FA he would have shattered the market, while Derek Carr would be looking for a place where he can compete for a job. NOBODY disputes that either of those claims are true because Carr is not in Dak's league. Now maybe all NFL GM's should be turning to message boards for advice to do their job, but generally I find that when having years to look at QBs they can pretty easily tell which one is better.

 

[blueblood70]

You keep saying they are in the same tier but that does not make it true. There is a reason that if Dak were a FA he would have shattered the market, while Derek Carr would be looking for a place where he can compete for a job. NOBODY disputes that either of those claims are true because Carr is not in Dak's league. Now maybe all NFL GM's should be turning to message boards for advice to do their job, but generally I find that when having years to look at QBs they can pretty easily tell which one is better.

yes it does who cares whose better neither are 1st tier elite qbs both fall 10-15 regardless whos better..

MEH..they are very similar in production..i can see them being flip flopped and doing similar things if they switched teams /.

sorry to burst your bubble Daks just agood starting qb but nothing special about him AT ALL..same with Carr..

everyone talked about Ryan Tannehill as you are about Carr but it appears it was the team and scheme he was in...funny how that works out..

I believe we would have been in the same exact spot if Carr was here I mean jeez Daks led us to specials season 2 of 3 years 9-7 and 8-8 no playoffs

how could carr overcome such greatness..lol

 

[Adreme]

yes it does who cares whose better neither are 1st tier elite qbs both fall 10-15 regardless whos better..

MEH..they are very similar in production..i can see them being flip flopped and doing similar things if they switched teams /.

sorry to burst your bubble Daks just agood starting qb but nothing special about him AT ALL..same with Carr..

everyone talked about Ryan Tannehill as you are about Carr but it appears it was the team and scheme he was in...funny how that works out..

I believe we would have been in the same exact spot if Carr was here I mean jeez Daks led us to specials season 2 of 3 years 9-7 and 8-8 no playoffs

how could carr overcome such greatness..lol

Nobody disputed Tannehill could be okay (if anything though notice how much better both QBs Adam Gase coached got when he was no longer coaching them). The problem with Tannehill was always he would show you enough to say "He looks like he has got it," but then would get hurt and miss time. Both Tannehill and Carr though are in that 15-25 range in terms of QBs, at best, though Tannehill more for injury concerns than for play whereas Carr just is not that good. Dak is in that 6-15 tier along with all the other very good QBs who are not Mahomes, Jackson, Watson, Brees, and, Wilson. Those are your 5 best. The next 10 are all debatable and for any of those 10, when there contract is up they will be the highest paid QB in the NFL, because if you do not have one of them your team will not contend. If you try to draft one it will take, on average, multiple tries and multiple years and multiple 1st round picks so when you get one you keep him.

 

[OmerV]

No, Zeke simply has gotten the opportunity to be a workhorse. Murray got screwed when he went to philly. Murray is every bit the workhorse that Zeke was.

And no with Zeke. All you are doing is going around and taking the best stats from different seasons and making them into one for Zeke. But nice try on that one.

Bottom line is your claim that Zeke was better in best season is false. Murray's best season was better than Zeke's.

Only thing you got going for you is that Murray went to a RB by committee and never really got the chance to do his thing for 4 or 5 straight years. And lets not forget the mental midget got suspended one year and typically getting arrested and drunk.

Murray was a model citizen and team leader and role model.

Without a doubt, I 100% take Murray and his 3rd round pick status over Zeke and his 15 million, 4th pick in the draft, hold out with two years left, get suspended and drunk nonsense.

But the thing is, one player actually being a year in, year out work horse trumps simply assuming it with another player. So, while it’s true Murray didn’t get the same chance as Zeke to be that every year workhorse, the reality is we don’t know how it would have worked out if he did. It may have worked out great, or maybe not, but in any case we can’t give him credit as if he had done it anyway.

And no, I didn’t take Zekes best stats from different seasons. I don’t know where you got that from because I said I used his stats from his best season, just like you used Murray’s stats from his best season, and that’s what I did,

Absolutely Murray was a better citizen/role model, took a lower draft pick and was less expensive than Zeke, but we were talking about who we thought was the better RB, not who was a better guy or a better draft value or who was cheaper. I don’t have a problem giving Murray better marks in those areas, and as I said from the beginning, I think he is close as a RB as well. There is no landslide for either guy that I can see.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

The question should be is Zeke better than Demarco Murray in his prime? I don't really think he is.....

Zeke stinks!
Cut him now and let our offense truly shine.....

 

[CCBoy]

Zeke Elliott is about #14 of the top 25 in the NFL, age 26 and younger.

 

[noshame]

Zeke is good, but he's not 2016 Zeke. Pollard was better last year. Hopefully we get the old Zeke back

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Nothing in your post is even worthy of a response.

Maybe, maybe not. But...using ONE running back doesn't prove your overall point at all. You using his OLD salary years later (6 mill for both an older Murray and Pollard...is laughable! Especially if he had performed as you imagine he would!) ....doesn't prove any point at all. You of course aren't required to respond or explain.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke is good, but he's not 2016 Zeke. Pollard was better last year. Hopefully we get the old Zeke back

I think he deserves a shot. As one his biggest fans...the holdout was very disappointing. Jerry caving to the huge contract was...disappointing. The apparent shape zeke showed up in...nearly unforgivable.

But let's give him the mandatory couple years on the contract...and a new regime, yes?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke Elliott is about #14 of the top 25 in the NFL, age 26 and younger.

But....Garret. The great holder back of players....or so people say. Unless it's about Dak or Zeke.

Just flinging out a stat doesn't prove anything. I bet that fake ax B S 6 game suspension would have changed those numbers

 

[StuckMojo]

Zeke is good, but he's not 2016 Zeke. Pollard was better last year. Hopefully we get the old Zeke back

Pollard was not better

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Pollard was not better

I still can't fathom it....how people say Pollard was "better". Of course Pollard looks GREAT! Yep...I thought zeke was a bit out of shape...but each one filled their role.

People can reverse those roles and make up the scenarios and stats in their heads.....

 

[CATCH17]

I still can't fathom it....how people say Pollard was "better". Of course Pollard looks GREAT! Yep...I thought zeke was a bit out of shape...but each one filled their role.

People can reverse those roles and make up the scenarios and stats in their heads.....

Pollard wasn’t better but he definitely showed more big play ability.

Big plays win games and Zeke may be the king of the little play but the big plays are gone and so are the wins.

 

[CCBoy]

But....Garret. The great holder back of players....or so people say. Unless it's about Dak or Zeke.

Just flinging out a stat doesn't prove anything. I bet that fake ax B S 6 game suspension would have changed those numbers

That a coulda, woulda, shoulda?

The quote was on top players in the NFL, at or below 25. Uh, that's giving him some respect.

Think his production is declining somewhat? What about losing Frederick and Witten's blocking? Nothing?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

One reason...is it's so easy to do yourself. It's not like I did what you did and searched around and dug up for ONE bad play. "Dak highlights".....shouldn't really need any link from me.
Second reason? What dman difference would it make to you? You've ignored evidence so far...what could I possibly present to you that you haven't seen? SHOULD have already seen even.

It's odd, to me anyway... that you so adamantly object to Dallas Cowboys fans "coming to the defense" of a Dallas Cowboys player....ARGUABLY one of the very best for 3 years...on a Dallas Cowboys fan forum.

If it's so easy and you cant even do it, what does that say about you?

Ignored evidence so far????? LMAO WHAT!? you've given exavtly zero substance at all.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

That a coulda, woulda, shoulda?

The quote was on top players in the NFL, at or below 25. Uh, that's giving him some respect.

Think his production is declining somewhat? What about losing Frederick and Witten's blocking? Nothing?

Could be a misunderstanding on my part. There's an argument he's a TOP back regardless of age. Putting him at #14 in his age group....might not be considered complimentary.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Could be a misunderstanding on my part. There's an argument he's a TOP back regardless of age. Putting him at #14 in his age group....might not be considered complimentary.

Yeah, you're misunderstanding again.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If it's so easy and you cant even do it, what does that say about you?

Ignored evidence so far????? LMAO WHAT!? you've given exavtly zero substance at all.

Well...look...normally I back up my sources. Normally I require a personal to post their source so that we're all on the same page. But....going to youtube and clicking on Dak highlights...seems like a no-brainer to me. But...I most certainly am NOT doing it because it's too hard for me. COme on man really?

Nope..the real reason is I know full well it's not gonna make any difference to you. You've seen the games. You've seen the highlights. And you don;t care about them. You've got your opinion and it ain;t gonna change no matter what.

Right? We could just agree about this...and agree to disagree about zeke...and move on.