Pollard is good, but he's no Zeke

[CCBoy]

Could be a misunderstanding on my part. There's an argument he's a TOP back regardless of age. Putting him at #14 in his age group....might not be considered complimentary.

That group had more than running backs, and Odell Beckham was a slot lower. Not bad company in the present. Then there is the Carolina running back, Christian McCaffrey, who is way out there, healthy, and younger.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yeah, you're misunderstanding again.

Well...(HIS) position wasn't made very clear in that comment. He just threw out a stat..and expect me to interpret his point?
So...He isn't going to agree that #14 in his age group...ISN'T good enough for some people?

PS...So I take it your coming after me...about what? What did I do to ya...sheesh.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

That group had more than running backs, and Odell Beckham was a slot lower. Not bad company in the present. Then there is the Carolina running back, who is way out there, healthy, and younger.

No doubt that carolina kid is exciting!

 

[blueblood70]

Could be a misunderstanding on my part. There's an argument he's a TOP back regardless of age. Putting him at #14 in his age group....might not be considered complimentary.

not as a back as a PLAYER in the NFL he 14th

no way hes the 14th back he was top 4 last year and well that still good unless you compare it to MVP seasons.. jeez..

 

[CowboyRoy]

But the thing is, one player actually being a year in, year out work horse trumps simply assuming it with another player. So, while it’s true Murray didn’t get the same chance as Zeke to be that every year workhorse, the reality is we don’t know how it would have worked out if he did. It may have worked out great, or maybe not, but in any case we can’t give him credit as if he had done it anyway.

And no, I didn’t take Zekes best stats from different seasons. I don’t know where you got that from because I said I used his stats from his best season, just like you used Murray’s stats from his best season, and that’s what I did,

Absolutely Murray was a better citizen/role model, took a lower draft pick and was less expensive than Zeke, but we were talking about who we thought was the better RB, not who was a better guy or a better draft value or who was cheaper. I don’t have a problem giving Murray better marks in those areas, and as I said from the beginning, I think he is close as a RB as well. There is no landslide for either guy that I can see.

Murray carried the rock 390 times and he killed it. Cant fault Murray because the next coach put him in a rotation. And even is Zeke is actually more durable, Im not sure that makes the difference. Murray could certainly do his thing for 4 or 5 years which is all I want a RB for anyway. Ill move onto the next guy after that.

Now lets talk about being a team leader, model citizen, role model and teammate? Murray is a 10 out of 10 there and Zeke is a 3 out of 10. Murray missed a few games because of injury and Zeke missed 6 because of suspension.

But Agreed, there is no landslide for either guy other than the salary part and the draft position spot.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Maybe, maybe not. But...using ONE running back doesn't prove your overall point at all. You using his OLD salary years later (6 mill for both an older Murray and Pollard...is laughable! Especially if he had performed as you imagine he would!) ....doesn't prove any point at all. You of course aren't required to respond or explain.

No, I will respond to that point. Zeke is overpaid, even in THIS current landscape. Even though other guys have been paid big money, the other teams realize their mistake quickly and cut or traded guys like David Johnson and Gurley. Gurley was just resigned for 6 million.

Melvin Gordon I think is a good comparison. He held out for more money and they called his bluff. He became a FA and signed a 16 million dollar 2 year contract. So that is 8 million per year. I would use that as a legitimate number to estimate what Murray might be paid today.

So lets say Murray gets 8 million per season and Pollard is getting 500k? Lets call it 9 million for both guys. We are effectively paying Zeke and Pollard an average of 16 million per season. So thats about half. Nothing to shake a stick at.

Not sure why you guys are so enamoured by Zeke Elliott? We spent the 4th pick in the draft on him, he has gotten suspended, continues to get in trouble, held out 2 years before his contract was up and is now way overpaid as the highest RB in the NFL.

And what really has Zeke done for us? He doesnt really dominate games on a regular basis. He gets his yards because he gets lots of carries. He is NOT a big play guy or a big TD guy.

I have absolutely NO loyalties to any player. I simply want what is best for the team. I just dont see the love for Zeke. Sure he is a very good back, but so what? His draft capital, attitude, salary, are all detrimental to the team.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

No, I will respond to that point. Zeke is overpaid, even in THIS current landscape. Even though other guys have been paid big money, the other teams realize their mistake quickly and cut or traded guys like David Johnson and Gurley. Gurley was just resigned for 6 million.

Melvin Gordon I think is a good comparison. He held out for more money and they called his bluff. He became a FA and signed a 16 million dollar 2 year contract. So that is 8 million per year. I would use that as a legitimate number to estimate what Murray might be paid today.

So lets say Murray gets 8 million per season and Pollard is getting 500k? Lets call it 9 million for both guys. We are effectively paying Zeke and Pollard an average of 16 million per season. So thats about half. Nothing to shake a stick at.

Not sure why you guys are so enamoured by Zeke Elliott? We spent the 4th pick in the draft on him, he has gotten suspended, continues to get in trouble, held out 2 years before his contract was up and is now way overpaid as the highest RB in the NFL.

And what really has Zeke done for us? He doesn't really dominate games on a regular basis. He gets his yards because he gets lots of carries. He is NOT a big play guy or a big TD guy.

I have absolutely NO loyalties to any player. I simply want what is best for the team. I just dont see the love for Zeke. Sure he is a very good back, but so what? His draft capital, attitude, salary, are all detrimental to the team.

I know for me...it's hard to follow and manage every single persons views and opinion. If you had the time and inclination (I don;t blame you for not!), you'd know I'm both a zeke lover AND critical. I've always known zeke was a bit...off. I actually think he has something...a condition of some kind. Yes....he's had some issues....and I will forever stand by my assertion that if he wasn't a cowboy...at a time Jerry was feuding with GODell... there's no way in hell he'd been suspened and certainly NOT 6 games.

Murray? Loved him but he did break my heart. For me very akin to Jackie's drop. But all that aside....I htink if he's as good as you say he would be...STILL with the team? HELPED us win a super bowl? He'd be making more than 8. If he were still here...and not replaced BY NOW...he'd be making a ton of money. Jerry rewards his stayers as much as his pets.

All that aside....I think "behaviors" and "paychecks" affecting how you look at a player is...a poison. I didn't care in the 70's and 9-'sand I don't care now....excepting of course GODell's vendetta against Jerry. And I OF course appreciate a role model when they come along. Witten.

I of course can't categorically prove it....but I think zeke is a big part of Dak's game. All those carries you mention takes the pressure off Dak's arm. An excellent outlet passer than can extend the play with legs. And a unappreciated blocking z factor. Could Pollard carry the same load? Can't say for sure....but I'm doubtful.

Anyway...thank you for replying. I getcha.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

zeke catching ticker tape with his tongue.....odd ** er.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

not as a back as a PLAYER in the NFL he 14th

no way hes the 14th back he was top 4 last year and well that still good unless you compare it to MVP seasons.. jeez..

We're on the same side!

 

[CowboyRoy]

I know for me...it's hard to follow and manage every single persons views and opinion. If you had the time and inclination (I don;t blame you for not!), you'd know I'm both a zeke lover AND critical. I've always known zeke was a bit...off. I actually think he has something...a condition of some kind. Yes....he's had some issues....and I will forever stand by my assertion that if he wasn't a cowboy...at a time Jerry was feuding with GODell... there's no way in hell he'd been suspened and certainly NOT 6 games.

Murray? Loved him but he did break my heart. For me very akin to Jackie's drop. But all that aside....I htink if he's as good as you say he would be...STILL with the team? HELPED us win a super bowl? He'd be making more than 8. If he were still here...and not replaced BY NOW...he'd be making a ton of money. Jerry rewards his stayers as much as his pets.

All that aside....I think "behaviors" and "paychecks" affecting how you look at a player is...a poison. I didn't care in the 70's and 9-'sand I don't care now....excepting of course GODell's vendetta against Jerry. And I OF course appreciate a role model when they come along. Witten.

I of course can't categorically prove it....but I think zeke is a big part of Dak's game. All those carries you mention takes the pressure off Dak's arm. An excellent outlet passer than can extend the play with legs. And a unappreciated blocking z factor. Could Pollard carry the same load? Can't say for sure....but I'm doubtful.

Anyway...thank you for replying. I getcha.

Zeke was certainly a big part of Daks game in the first few years. He would be for a any young QB. But last year its become very obvious that the offense is changing to a Dak led offense. Dak is the leader now and can throw for lots of yards and lots of TD's.

To me the OLine is a big part of Dak's game and that is where we need to keep it going. Looney want cut it.

Oline is also a huge part of Zekes game as it is any RB.

 

[StuckMojo]

The Dak led offense got us 8-8 and missing the playoffs. But at least a lot yardage and TDs were put up after teams softened their D.

 

[blueblood70]

We're on the same side!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke was certainly a big part of Daks game in the first few years. He would be for a any young QB. But last year its become very obvious that the offense is changing to a Dak led offense. Dak is the leader now and can throw for lots of yards and lots of TD's.

To me the OLine is a big part of Dak's game and that is where we need to keep it going. Looney want cut it.

Oline is also a huge part of Zekes game as it is any RB.

You can;t find it in yourself to let that year go? It was the year coach got fired for goodness sakes! EPic failure by the whole team...dak included especially in the last half. I'm giving everyone who surives Mike's scythe a total pass for 2019 Disaster.

And dude....reading your other zeke threads....you are an obsessed masterhater!

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I haven't heard ANYONE say that Pollard is better than Zeke. Not one poster on here or anywhere.

However, there are definitely things that Pollard does better and those things need to be tapped into by scheme and more use.

There have been a couple of people here who said the Cowboys should trade Zeke and put Pollard as the main running back, that to me is essentially saying Pollard is better than Zeke....

 

[CowboyRoy]

You can;t find it in yourself to let that year go? It was the year coach got fired for goodness sakes! EPic failure by the whole team...dak included especially in the last half. I'm giving everyone who surives Mike's scythe a total pass for 2019 Disaster.

And dude....reading your other zeke threads....you are an obsessed masterhater!

When Zeke starts really making a difference like in 2016, then I will give him props.

Until then, yah its close to hate.

 

[CowboyRoy]

There have been a couple of people here who said the Cowboys should trade Zeke and put Pollard as the main running back, that to me is essentially saying Pollard is better than Zeke....

Then you aren't really listening to what you are saying. Must of the issue is the salary.

And most would go with a RB by committee so Pollard would be on of 2 or 3 backs.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

There have been a couple of people here who said the Cowboys should trade Zeke and put Pollard as the main running back, that to me is essentially saying Pollard is better than Zeke....

Oh my. So...a "couple people" here on an alleged "fan" message board...said they liked Pollard more than zeke...and to YOU...that is proof "Pollard is better than zeke".

Oh wait...I get it....pulling my leg....a joker. Sarcasm! Right. You almost had me.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Then you aren't really listening to what you are saying. Must of the issue is the salary.

out of context alert~snipped for clarity and space!

That is the DUMBEST reason to hate your own team.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That is the DUMBEST reason to hate your own team.

Hate my own team? Are you responding to the wrong poster?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Hate my own team? Are you responding to the wrong poster?

You hate zeke. Zeke is our team. Like all of our players...are...our team. Nope....not responding to the wrong poster.

I guess I look at this whole "team" thing a little differently than you. Hmm okay {shrug}.