News: Details Emerge From The Cowboys Current Offer To Prescott

[jterrell]

Every comment from Stephen Jones is about the money not years. Per Skip, Dak is asking for 4 years, $40M APY with it ALL guaranteed ($160M). This thing isn't close to being settled and I think only real option at this point is Dak signing franchise tag.

dude lololol. you can not take ANYTHING skip bayless says seriously.
that dude said troy aikman was gay. --while troy was bagging half of the women in dallas and another large group in la.
dak may have asked 40m at one point but again it is widely reported by people with actual sources in the building they are agreed at 35M per year but are arguing over length mostly and some minor details.
skip doesnt even try to be honest. nothing he says can be taken seriously.

 

[dreameaglegreen]

You just said RUMORED. Rumors are another word for speculating. You are doing another thing of ASSUMING things that you have NO actual knowledge of to make you assumptions on. Yes everyone can do the math on what the franchise tag will be in future years, but you keep assuming that we're past July 15th and/or what happened with Lawrence on his 2nd tagged year can't happen with Prescott.
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Let me clarify for you. Speculate is to form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence. Rumor is a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth. Two totally different things. What exactly makes you think i'm assuming were past july 15th and what are these other things i'm assuming. Please stop bringing up lawrence, i already reiterated that it's possible dak could be signed long term, rumor was he was asking for $40 million per year, i'm guessing $37-38 million per year gets it done. If you have a source to rebut that or a theory otherwise, please let me know. Thanks

 

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[gjkoeppen]

CAA is the agency that represents Prescott. They are far from unknown. Players have asked for more money, regardless of if there is money available or not. Has nothing to do with more money being available or not. It has to do with individual players wanting to get paid more. Market Value is not based on available money. That's just not true. It's pointless to argue about this with you, you are unwilling to accept the facts there. Suffice to say that if what you say were true, every QB would be making record money and they are not so no, it's not based on available money. Market Value is not based on what a team has to pay. A team doesn't have to pay any player anything. They choose to pay them and that's driven by perception of value. If what you say here were true, then half of the top 10, 2017 draft class would not have been released without having their 5th year options picked up. What you are saying is simply not accurate. I'm sorry.......

Now you're trying to equate not picking option years up because a player who may have under performed and trying to make that as part of you market value argument. That is absurd. BTW teams have to announce they are going to exercise that 5th year option before the start of their 4th season. Also there are few top ten picks that are released before their rookie contract has expired. Most times because the 5th year option wasn't exercised they play out their 4th year and sign as free agents with other teams if they don't resign with their original team for less than what the 5th year option would have been for.

Then trying to tie what any particular team may have for cap space as reasoning that because a team can't or won't pay what a player wants is also absurd. Every year there are teams with a lot of cap space, cap space that goes up every year, where they can afford and are willing to pay players at or near what they want. Again more than what they paid players playing the same position in past years. Why because the market value has gone up. And why has it gone up, because the players and teams know there is more money to work with so the demands by the players are higher and higher every year setting new market values every year. Market Value = The amount of money players know is available which goes up every year and what the teams know it will take to sign those plays. No players don't get as much money as they originally demand, but they get more than the players at the same positions got the year before that and the year before that and so on. I'm sorry that simple math is so difficult for you but that is all it is.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Now you're trying to equate not picking option years up because a player who may have under performed and trying to make that as part of you market value argument. That is absurd. BTW teams have to announce they are going to exercise that 5th year option before the start of their 4th season. Also there are few top ten picks that are released before their rookie contract has expired. Most times because the 5th year option wasn't exercised they play out their 4th year and sign as free agents with other teams if they don't resign with their original team for less than what the 5th year option would have been for.

Then trying to tie what any particular team may have for cap space as reasoning that because a team can't or won't pay what a player wants is also absurd. Every year there are teams with a lot of cap space, cap space that goes up every year, where they can afford and are willing to pay players at or near what they want. Again more than what they paid players playing the same position in past years. Why because the market value has gone up. And why has it gone up, because the players and teams know there is more money to work with so the demands by the players are higher and higher every year setting new market values every year. Market Value = The amount of money players know is available which goes up every year and what the teams know it will take to sign those plays. No players don't get as much money as they originally demand, but they get more than the players at the same positions got the year before that and the year before that and so on. I'm sorry that simple math is so difficult for you but that is all it is.

No, that's what you are doing right now. That's called framing and you do that when you want to lead somebody to a specific agenda. What I was doing is simply pointing out that what you said about salaries is not correct. I don't care why those guys got cut, I'm simply saying that what you suggest is wrong.

Your definition of Market Value is your own opinion and that's fine, but it's not the definition of what Market Value or "Fair Market Value" actually is. This is the Definition:

: a price at which buyers and sellers with a reasonable knowledge of pertinent facts and not acting under
any compulsion are willing to do business

This conversation is at it's end.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Sure give Dak a defense that won't fold in the 4th quarter. That'd help.

Realistically, since the glory days, how often have we had a good defense around here? How can we afford one if we spend all our money on dak?

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

I just did Tannehill's for another post. His actual APY if he is cut in 2022 would be $20.6 million.

I've done Carson Wentz's. He can be cut in 2023 with a cap savings of $21 million. If he is, his actual APY would be $26.9.

I've done Russell Wilson's. He could be cut in 2022 with a cap savings of $11 million. If he is, his actual APY would be $28.8.

Why do you think Dak's is going to be different from that? If his guarantee is $106 million over five years, then he's going to get around $106 million in a five-year span (even if he's not on the roster that fifth year), which averages to $26.5 over the four years he's kept.

$15 million the first year, $22 million the second, $24 million the third, $35 million the fourth and $10 million (dead cap) the fifth averages out to $26.75 over four years.

Dak is not going to sign a 5 year deal with a 35m average regardless of the guarantee and only take an average of 26m per season the 1st 4 years it's too low any agent that would leave that much money on the table isn't a good agent. We all know that non guaranteed money is backloaded on to later years of a contract to make the average look higher but what you are saying is that in the 5th year of a 5 year deal he would sign, his salary would be 68m in the 5th year if he gets 107m over the 1st 4 years..it just won't happen like that, maybe 48m (and even that is high) but not 68 and that extra 20 would have to be paid and spread out over the 1st 4 years. None of this changes what you are saying except that his cap hit for the 1st 4 years is going to be higher each year then you are predicting it would be. After the guarantee is paid they can cut him without a cap hit except for the pro-rated portion of any signing bonus he receives

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

The issue is this isn't their opening offer. They been going at this for almost two years.

some people would want Dak to get payed

. It has nothing to do with if it helps or hurts the cowboys. It has all to do with that he is their man crush.

 

[jaythecowboy]

I mean yes but the numbers change as the status quo changes. The new contract negotiation numbers only really started this offseason. The moment they tagged him and his earnings over the next 4 years were basically guaranteed to be by far the highest in the league, the numbers shifted again.

They should have been at this number the moment Wentz and Goff got signed.

some people would want Dak to get payed

. It has nothing to do with if it helps or hurts the cowboys. It has all to do with that he is their man crush.

No I want the Cowboys to get this done before next offseason when Dak in all likelihood has a better season with improved weapons and better coaching. We already saw what happened with D Law. They could have signed him for $17 million a year, but they let him play on the tag and then ended up signing him the following year for $21 million.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Let me clarify for you. Speculate is to form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence. Rumor is a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth. Two totally different things. What exactly makes you think i'm assuming were past july 15th and what are these other things i'm assuming. Please stop bringing up lawrence, i already reiterated that it's possible dak could be signed long term, rumor was he was asking for $40 million per year, i'm guessing $37-38 million per year gets it done. If you have a source to rebut that or a theory otherwise, please let me know. Thanks

The point is NOBODY here nor those sportswriters who speculate or start rumors have ANY hard facts to back them up. You again bring up that 40 mil rumor. WHY? Do you think your 37-38 mil gestamate makes more sense then?
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[Gangsta Spanksta]

Coff and Wince deals will look like deals in 2 to 3 years. This is how Jerry has manipulated the cap for years by offering high dollar contracts for extended years. He got over on Zeke with this strategy but Players like McCaffery that have good agents got a shorter deal but still is the highest paid RB in the NFL. NBA players have been doing this for years and NFL agents are bringing this to the attention of their clients. Once it happens with a high profile player like Dak the dominoes will fall through out the league.

Wince is fragile, that deal will look horrible in 2 to 3 years >.>

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

I think you might have said this to me one other team...I really don't think highly of my football knowledge. I'm just as knowledgeable as I feel everyone on this site is. My issue with you here is I personally feel you are arguing with me just to argue lol. I don't believe Goff's contract was why Gurley was cut. Just don't.

He was cut this year because of his knee issues had he played for them this year and played well i believe he would have still been cut or asked to take a pay cut or restucture and that would have been in part due to Goff's deal. The knee issue gave the Rams a reason to get out of his deal a year earlier than they would have had to otherwise, that's my opinion

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Dak played poorly too. You can’t just gloss over that fact.

The problem is that those who were the Dak Shaped glasses, he never plays poorly in their eyes. We lose and he did good.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

They should have been at this number the moment Wentz and Goff got signed.



No I want the Cowboys to get this done before next offseason when Dak in all likelihood has a better season with improved weapons and better coaching. We already saw what happened with D Law. They could have signed him for $17 million a year, but they let him play on the tag and then ended up signing him the following year for $21 million.

The point is: if your quarterback takes up too high of a percentage of your salary cap, then you can't afford to surround him with talent. Rush to make the wrong deal, and Dak will play under teams that are less talented than the one he joined the team on.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The problem is that those who were the Dak Shaped glasses, he never plays poorly in their eyes. We lose and he did good.

So when a quarterback plays bad.....there's never a explanation? Or a reason? He's just bad huh?

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I don't consider Jerry or Stephen football idiots. They both were and or are on the NFL football competition committee and the NFL reached out to Jerry in the past in helping out with the CBA. Jerry is in Pro Football Hall of Fame inducted in 2017. Jerry played collegiate football and co-captained on a national championship team. Stephen grew up around football all his life and been with the team for 28 years as chief operating officer, executive vice president of player personnel.

I believe overall family business interests, team capability overconfidence and a lack of objectivity have led to inconsistency and setbacks over the past 2 decades. I don't think they are football idiots hiring Mike McCarthy and enabling him to hire or retain any individual on the coaching staff. Over the past half dozen years this ownership and management has improved in drafting culminating this year with an outstanding draft.

That stated I would like to see a couple of NFL experienced personnel that are more talented, non-family, in both general manager and executive management positions.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He was cut this year because of his knee issues had he played for them this year and played well i believe he would have still been cut or asked to take a pay cut or restucture and that would have been in part due to Goff's deal. The knee issue gave the Rams a reason to get out of his deal a year earlier than they would have had to otherwise, that's my opinion

Ok so you TOO agree he wasn't cut because of his contract.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Ok so you TOO agree he wasn't cut because of his contract.

I agree i never said he was, he was cut because of his knee this year, i don't think the Rams think it will hold up so they used his knee to get out of his deal a year earlier than they would have been forced to had he stayed and played well.

 

[iceberg]

Dak gets that contract? Man— he better win the SB or he will be the most hated QB in Dallas history (albeit the richest one lol)

In a year or two it won't be close.

 

[gjkoeppen]

No, that's what you are doing right now. That's called framing and you do that when you want to lead somebody to a specific agenda. What I was doing is simply pointing out that what you said about salaries is not correct. I don't care why those guys got cut, I'm simply saying that what you suggest is wrong.

Your definition of Market Value is your own opinion and that's fine, but it's not the definition of what Market Value or "Fair Market Value" actually is. This is the Definition:

: a price at which buyers and sellers with a reasonable knowledge of pertinent facts and not acting under
any compulsion are willing to do business

This conversation is at it's end.

Yes and we all know that definitions used in business other than the NFL have little or no meaning with the NFL. And your complete exaggeration on the oh so many top ten picks that both don't get 5th year options exercised and CUT is a total and absurd exaggeration. Yes there have over the years players taken in the top 10 that were just allowed to go into free agency without trying to resign them but very few. Again you tried and failed to equate that to market value in the NFL, not some big corporation that trades on Wall Street. Again if market value in the NFL, repeat the NFL, isn't based on the known amount of money available by both players and teams and what it will take to get those players signed to bigger and bigger contracts every year then there is no such think as market value in the NFL. Don't bother to reply I'm tire of trying to educate you on the NFL market value.
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