News: Neville Gallimore & Bradlee Anae Will Impact Cowboys Defense Early

[xwalker]

I believe that will be the case. I don't know, however, whether Gallimore is a better 1-tech than Woods. If he is even on par with Woods but better at rushing the passer, he makes Woods expendable.

Woods is a pretty decent run defender, though, (definitely better than some on here believe).

Poe and Woods make each other better. Both have had injury issues and are likely to miss some games.

Woods has been OK when healthy but he missed games last season and was not healthy in some others.

By having both they should be able to limit their snaps over the season. Even if Woods is inactive, he has value as a backup. Poe will get banged up. When he does, they can either have both active or give Poe a week off.

With 2 DTs there are 200% of snaps to be divided up. Most 4-3 team divide that up as:
starting 3tech: 60%
starting 1tech: 60%
second 3tech: 55%
4th DT: 25%

The 4 ways 4-3 teams play their DTs:
1 DT: For some obvious passing situations.
Both DTs as 3techs: For obvious passing situations they'll often play both DTs as 3techs.
Standard formation with two 3tech type DTs: For situations that are likely pass but maybe run, they'll often play a 3tech type DT at the 1tech position.
Standard Formation: In base they play the standard 1tech and 3tech.

 

[xwalker]

Totally agree, and while a bit raw, man does have natural strength, size, and agility which cant be coached.
He would have been worthless to Marineli, but will be interesting to see how soon he can transition under Nolan.
He is a green monster.
Nolan, Tomsula, and Lett Im sure are all liking this pick.

Gallimore is the type of DT that Marinelli loved...

 

[xwalker]

Interesting point about Hill....I was looking at numbers, and injuries aside, yeah he is gonna have to earn it.

His draft status probably gives him a certain extra look, but talk about a guy that seriously needed an NFL off season strength program....I'm guessing the world situation gave him the excuse to get even more lazy and fat.

Still hoping for something out of the kid, but if he shows up to camp thinking he has a guaranteed spot on the 55, I dont see that as the case.

They likely keep 5 DTs on the roster with Crawford considered at DE.
McCoy
Poe
Gallimore
Woods
Hill

 

[KingintheNorth]

Gallimore is the type of DT that Marinelli loved...

X, I know you're the super positive evaluator to my more "critical" approach, but thoughts on Gallimore?

I just re-watched the LSU-Oklahoma playoff game, mostly to review CeeDee Lamp and start my 3-year file on freshman phenom LSU corner Derek Stingley, Jr. However, in watching the LSU offense, I noticed Gallimore had little-to-zero impact. Double checked the box score to make sure it wasn't any of my bias, and saw all he registered was 3 assisted tackles in what was most likely the biggest stage of his career (so far). I'm watching the Big 12 Championship game later this week and will focus more on Gallimore, hoping to see what I'm missing. I think he's got a great get-off but that kid is clueless in traffic. Great first-step but very little ability to finish.

Anyway, just want our thoughts since you're more a glass half full kind of guy. I think the risk/value is much better at pick 82 (3rd round), but I think the first round talk was completely unwarranted and I'm a little concerned the Cowboys FO seriously considered taking him at 51 (Diggs is a significantly better prospect IMO).

Anyone else feel free to weigh in here as well.

 

[KingintheNorth]

@xwalker also if you review that Peach Bowl game, please take a look at LSU nose tackle Tyler Shelvin (6-3/346) with great feet. Could be an ideal 2021 draft target to learn from and eventually replace Dontari Poe.

 

[fivetwos]

They likely keep 5 DTs on the roster with Crawford considered at DE.
McCoy
Poe
Gallimore
Woods
Hill

I'm not sure you can do the numbers with Crawford at DE and not cut a guy like Carter, Anae, Jelks or Jackson.

So, it may come down to Hill actually needing to not just show up to camp to be on the roster.

Heck I dont know its 100% sure he beats out Marino.

He clearly needed time, and I havent given up on him, but he needs to bust it in camp, and he needs to want it. I dont know that he does.

 

[xwalker]

X, I know you're the super positive evaluator to my more "critical" approach, but thoughts on Gallimore?

I just re-watched the LSU-Oklahoma playoff game, mostly to review CeeDee Lamp and start my 3-year file on freshman phenom LSU corner Derek Stingley, Jr. However, in watching the LSU offense, I noticed Gallimore had little-to-zero impact. Double checked the box score to make sure it wasn't any of my bias, and saw all he registered was 3 assisted tackles in what was most likely the biggest stage of his career (so far). I'm watching the Big 12 Championship game later this week and will focus more on Gallimore, hoping to see what I'm missing. I think he's got a great get-off but that kid is clueless in traffic. Great first-step but very little ability to finish.

Anyway, just want our thoughts since you're more a glass half full kind of guy. I think the risk/value is much better at pick 82 (3rd round), but I think the first round talk was completely unwarranted and I'm a little concerned the Cowboys FO seriously considered taking him at 51 (Diggs is a significantly better prospect IMO).

Anyone else feel free to weigh in here as well.

The first thing to keep in mind is that OU played a base 3-man DL.
- Not a 3-4 with 2 big LBs that are really small DEs. It was often 3-DL and Kenneth Murray at MLB and everyone else outside the box.
- When they did have an OLB up at the end of the line, it was often a guy like Bonitto (6-3, 231).

The 3-man DL meant that Gallimore and Kenneth Murray got more double teams than they would in a standard 4-3.

The 2nd issue is that Gallimore often aligned at the 1tech position which is obviously not the position they drafted him to play.

Analysis

• Pro:
  • Excellent quickness off the snap.
  • Excellent burst after his "1st step".
  • Strong as compared to other 3tech type DTs.
  • Occupied 2 blockers even when he didn't get penetration.
• 
  
• Con
  • Was sometime moved by double-teams.
  • Lateral agility when chasing QBs or RBs in open space is a question mark.

• Summary:
  • The top job of a 3tech DT is to penetrate even he he does not get sacks.
  • Gallimore, playing at 1tech shouldn't have been expected to "finish" a lot of plays (i.e. Sacks).
  • Snacks Harrision was about as good as it gets for a pure 1tech DT for a couple of years with the Giants. He had 2.5 and 1.5 those 2 years.
  • It's difficult to know how much of the open field lateral agility issue was just over-running the QB instead of playing more under control.

The thing I find funny is with regards to narratives.
- Fans seem to love this pick but hated the Hill pick.
- Base purely on game footage, they're very similar players from a physical ability perspective.

 

[xwalker]

I'm not sure you can do the numbers with Crawford at DE and not cut a guy like Carter, Anae, Jelks or Jackson.

So, it may come down to Hill actually needing to not just show up to camp to be on the roster.

Heck I dont know its 100% sure he beats out Marino.

He clearly needed time, and I havent given up on him, but he needs to bust it in camp, and he needs to want it. I dont know that he does.

The coaches will know after 1 week of practice if Hill is a thumbs up or thumbs down.
- It's all about Hill's ability to "take coaching".
- Marino is not remotely close to Hill with regards to physical ability.

 

[KingintheNorth]

- Base purely on game footage, they're very similar players from a physical ability perspective.

I agree, a lot of similarities. I just think Gallimore has way more heart.

 

[fivetwos]

The coaches will know after 1 week of practice if Hill is a thumbs up or thumbs down.
- It's all about Hill's ability to "take coaching".
- Marino is not remotely close to Hill with regards to physical ability.

Absolutely, and I'm rooting for Hill here.

I just want him to want it because he needs to. That's the only point. If he thinks he can just show up and he is on the roster he wont make it.

 

[quickccc]

They likely keep 5 DTs on the roster with Crawford considered at DE.
McCoy
Poe
Gallimore
Woods
Hill

I can see us keeping 5 DTs and 5 DEs
Dlaw
Anae
Gregory ? (assuming he still wants to play)
Alden
Crawford
...with others like Joe Jackson, Jared jelks and dorace Armstrong battling to make a case for a last possible 6th DE spot should Cowboys

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Gallimore's situation at OU didn't do him many favors. He's a straight-line 3 tech gap shooter, and Alex Grinch played him at NT and stunted the D line five hundred trillion times every game. Seriously, he made Marinelli look like a piker. I'm guessing his gameplan was to manufacture pressure with lesser DL talent using motion and let Kenneth Murray clean up all their mistakes in the run game.

But anyway, it's like Chris Simms said on his Youtube video. Look out for the couple snaps a game where Gallimore gets to play downhill and attack a gap - not just playing heads up on the center, not stunting and twisting. He looks like a lot different player.

Even playing in a less than optimal scheme, he still had PFF's highest pass-rushing productivity score in the Big 12, so there's no doubt in my mind that the dude can play.

Spot on.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I think the way T. Hill comes into this training camp will speak volumes to his future here. This is a new coaching staff with a new DC that isn’t tied to him. The big knock on him was immaturity; I wanna see how his conditioning been during this second offseason isolated presumably for a part of it.

 

[dallasdave]

t didn’t take long for the Cowboys to retool, though, as they added veterans Gerald McCoy, Dontari Poe, and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix in free agency. During the NFL Draft, Trevon Diggs and Reggie Robinson were selected to bolster the cornerback position. However, Neville Gallimore and Bradlee Anae are both underrated steals who have a great shot at contributing early to the Cowboys front seven.

Gallimore enters the NFL coming off of his best collegiate season in terms of tackles for loss (6.5), sacks (4), and quarterback pressures (32). He’s incredibly fast for 300-pound man as evidence by his 4.79 in the 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine On top of that, he forced five fumbles during his days at Oklahoma, and with new Defensive Coordinator Mike Nolan set to focus turnovers, he fits right in.

What’s most intriguing about Gallimore is his ability to play both the 1-technique and 3-technique. This will lessen the load on McCoy and Poe and keep them fresh while simultaneously providing Gallimore with the much-needed reps he’ll require to be effective. The Cowboys defense was gashed in the run game last season. Gallimore’s ability to disrupt will not allow offensive linemen to reach the second level and put a hat on the Cowboys linebackers.

https://insidethestar.com/neville-gallimore-bradlee-anae-will-impact-cowboys-defense-early/

Good post -Dallas D-line will be much better this year.

 

[kskboys]

The first thing to keep in mind is that OU played a base 3-man DL.
- Not a 3-4 with 2 big LBs that are really small DEs. It was often 3-DL and Kenneth Murray at MLB and everyone else outside the box.
- When they did have an OLB up at the end of the line, it was often a guy like Bonitto (6-3, 231).

The 3-man DL meant that Gallimore and Kenneth Murray got more double teams than they would in a standard 4-3.

The 2nd issue is that Gallimore often aligned at the 1tech position which is obviously not the position they drafted him to play.

Analysis

• Pro:
  • Excellent quickness off the snap.
  • Excellent burst after his "1st step".
  • Strong as compared to other 3tech type DTs.
  • Occupied 2 blockers even when he didn't get penetration.
• 
  
• Con
  • Was sometime moved by double-teams.
  • Lateral agility when chasing QBs or RBs in open space is a question mark.

• Summary:
  • The top job of a 3tech DT is to penetrate even he he does not get sacks.
  • Gallimore, playing at 1tech shouldn't have been expected to "finish" a lot of plays (i.e. Sacks).
  • Snacks Harrision was about as good as it gets for a pure 1tech DT for a couple of years with the Giants. He had 2.5 and 1.5 those 2 years.
  • It's difficult to know how much of the open field lateral agility issue was just over-running the QB instead of playing more under control.

The thing I find funny is with regards to narratives.
- Fans seem to love this pick but hated the Hill pick.
- Base purely on game footage, they're very similar players from a physical ability perspective.

Galley has much better balance and a much higher motor.

 

[gimmesix]

Poe and Woods make each other better. Both have had injury issues and are likely to miss some games.

Woods has been OK when healthy but he missed games last season and was not healthy in some others.

By having both they should be able to limit their snaps over the season. Even if Woods is inactive, he has value as a backup. Poe will get banged up. When he does, they can either have both active or give Poe a week off.

With 2 DTs there are 200% of snaps to be divided up. Most 4-3 team divide that up as:
starting 3tech: 60%
starting 1tech: 60%
second 3tech: 55%
4th DT: 25%

The 4 ways 4-3 teams play their DTs:
1 DT: For some obvious passing situations.
Both DTs as 3techs: For obvious passing situations they'll often play both DTs as 3techs.
Standard formation with two 3tech type DTs: For situations that are likely pass but maybe run, they'll often play a 3tech type DT at the 1tech position.
Standard Formation: In base they play the standard 1tech and 3tech.

I agree on Poe and Woods. I think because Poe offers a little as a pass rush, it will mainly be figuring out when to insert Woods at 1-tech to rotate Poe out. We don't lose much against the run with Woods in there IMO, but Poe's ability to collapse the pocket allows us to be able to get pass rush from that spot even on run downs.

I do think there are some downs, such as short yardage, where we could see them out there together, possibly with McCoy at an end spot as we go "big" to stop the run.

My guess at this moment for the rotation would be Poe and Woods at 1-tech and McCoy and Crawford at 3-tech. Could be a few snaps available for Hill or Gallimore, even if neither ends up ahead of one of those four this year.

 

[gimmesix]

The thing I find funny is with regards to narratives.
- Fans seem to love this pick but hated the Hill pick.
- Base purely on game footage, they're very similar players from a physical ability perspective.

If Gallimore had been taken in the second round, it's possibly that fans would feel the same about him. But I think it has to do with Hill being our first pick of that year. Gallimore was chosen after we'd already grabbed Lamb and Diggs, so he was gravy while Hill was the main course. Hill got scrutinized thoroughly because of he's all fans had to look at.

 

[Verdict]

Unless he is traded, he isn't going anywhere. You don't spend the 58th pick on a player you know will take a year to be ready only to cut him 14 months after you drafted him.

I don’t think he Cowboys had plans to redshirt Hill when they drafted him. He just couldn’t play well enough to get playing time. So far, that pick is a huge fail.

That doesn’t mean that Hill can’t justify the pick, but he didn’t really sniff meaningful playing time last year and if he had been a later round pick he would have been on the bubble at being cut last year of not for the investment.

It’s ok to draft developmental players, but generally not in the second round when that’s your highest pick. He should have been a late round pick.

I am sorry but I don’t buy into the idea that we “knew” he wasn’t going to play last year when we spent the 58th pick on him.

 

[Verdict]

I agree on Poe and Woods. I think because Poe offers a little as a pass rush, it will mainly be figuring out when to insert Woods at 1-tech to rotate Poe out. We don't lose much against the run with Woods in there IMO, but Poe's ability to collapse the pocket allows us to be able to get pass rush from that spot even on run downs.

I do think there are some downs, such as short yardage, where we could see them out there together, possibly with McCoy at an end spot as we go "big" to stop the run.

My guess at this moment for the rotation would be Poe and Woods at 1-tech and McCoy and Crawford at 3-tech. Could be a few snaps available for Hill or Gallimore, even if neither ends up ahead of one of those four this year.

I can’t figure out the “plan” with Crawford. He seemed to be willing to take a pay cut and the Cowboys didn’t take him up on it. That smells more like a cut to me, and he is coming off of an injury, so who really knows.

 

[Verdict]

If Gallimore had been taken in the second round, it's possibly that fans would feel the same about him. But I think it has to do with Hill being our first pick of that year. Gallimore was chosen after we'd already grabbed Lamb and Diggs, so he was gravy while Hill was the main course. Hill got scrutinized thoroughly because of he's all fans had to look at.

Taking a developmental player in the second round is generally a bad idea. You can get developmental players throughout the draft. A second rounder should be fighting for playing time early.

I can see why you would take a flyer on a guy like Jaylon who was touted as a top 5 pick pre-injury. But if a guy drafted in the second cant even fight for snaps, then we over drafted him.