Twitter: Colin - Hard to evaluate Dak

[Bullflop]

With our new staff and the additions to the OL and its backups, I believe the chances are good that this offense will be improved in 2020. Certainly, the addition of Cee Dee, the presence of MM rather than JG and a complete new coaching staff should make for improvement. Will a West Coast offensive and shorter passing scheme favor Dak's production? It just might. I suppose we'll see.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Well with Ceedee here it’s not like he’ll be outta weapons anytime soon. Amari is locked up, Gallup has two more years and maybe more depending on what they wanna do, Ceedee’s here for 5.

Zeke is locked up, 3 of the Olineman are locked up, Jarwin is in the fold for a few more years as well.

This team drafts well on offense and routinely hits on their 1st rounder. There’s really no reason other than ravaging injury to multiple position groups (which rarely happens) to believe Dak will ever have to prove if he can do it with less than stellar players.

That topic is only good for banter. In reality, Dak will most likely have above average to elite parts around him for the entirety of his next contract. So why does it matter what he can do without good players? If Mike can coach, then he’ll be in an even more optimal environment for success.

The goal is to surround your QB with support, it’s not a competition to see how little you can give him.

Exactly. They are always giving Matt Ryan weapons and no one has a problem with that.

 

[G2]

When I think of Dak..

I think of him as a thrower.

Not a passer.

He still reminds me of a guy who waits until the guy is open..then throws to that spot.

Most college QBs are like that.

Dak has trouble throwing receivers open. Leading them is not his strength.

He also short arms the ball. Ends up I'm the dirt too often.

B/w that and the drops..its where he needs the most improvement.

Also plays changed at the LOS and it just ends up being too often he changes a play to Zeke in to b/w the tackles.

To me, if you are going to change a play..

make it a downfield play and make it count.

That was a Romo trademark.

QBs in the NFL are passers. Specifically those who have productive statistics. Even back ups that never play are more than what you consider "a thrower."

 

[Bullflop]

Hey, Redball -- coming at ya, here!

Dak's accuracy isn't a constant thing. He tends toward inconsistency. I think that's reflected in the number of drops that result. I do believe the West Coast Offense will improve his game considerably, assuming MM and Kellen resort to that. Let's face it, Dak isn't Tom Brady and never will be. He should be able to improve his production with a shorter passing scheme, though. JG's outdated offense just wasn't his cup of tea. Let's see what MM can do for him.

The defense might possibly sputter early-on in the season but should improve with better familiarity as the season progresses. They'll be using several newbies in the secondary. Chances are, it'll take time to get them going. I'm thinking we might have around a 9-7 finish at year's end. Anything better than that would be gravy. Baby steps . . .

 

[dallasdave]

With our new staff and the additions to the OL and its backups, I believe the chances are good that this offense will be improved in 2020. Certainly, the addition of Cee Dee, the presence of MM rather than JG and a complete new coaching staff should make for improvement. Will a West Coast offensive and shorter passing scheme favor Dak's production? It just might. I suppose we'll see.

I think the O-line will be TOTALLY AWESOME!!!

 

[PAPPYDOG]

When I think of Dak..

I think of him as a thrower.

Not a passer.

He still reminds me of a guy who waits until the guy is open..then throws to that spot.

Most college QBs are like that.

Dak has trouble throwing receivers open. Leading them is not his strength.

He also short arms the ball. Ends up I'm the dirt too often.

B/w that and the drops..its where he needs the most improvement.

Also plays changed at the LOS and it just ends up being too often he changes a play to Zeke in to b/w the tackles.

To me, if you are going to change a play..

make it a downfield play and make it count.

That was a Romo trademark.

Just notice how bad his footwork is when throwing the ball.
Hence why he has major accuracy problems.
He dances back there cause he's in panic mode and nervous and his feet tell the tale.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Just notice how bad his footwork is when throwing the ball.
Hence why he has major accuracy problems.
He dances back there cause he's in panic mode and nervous and his feet tell the tale.

What are his accuracy problems? He has a career comp % of 65.8. Just to compare pat mahomes has a career comp % of 65.9 just sayin

 

[Swagger]

What are his accuracy problems? He has a career comp % of 65.8. Just to compare pat mahomes has a career comp % of 65.9 just sayin

Tom Brady 63.8%
Aaron Rodgers 64.6%
Peyton Manning 65.3%

Do people solely use the completion stats at face value? If so, then you take the view that Dak Prescott is a more accurate passer than Peyton, Aaron and Tom. Everyone is entitled to their view.

Or do people factor in the rules changes more in favour of QBs, Prescott not having to play behind a bad Oline in any season, the above three guys attempting more difficult throws into tighter windows resulting in less completions etc

 

[Jeffkills]

Look at this crap pass...

To be real, however, I think most of us would at least agree that Dak's > Wentz..

 

[PAPPYDOG]

What are his accuracy problems? He has a career comp % of 65.8. Just to compare pat mahomes has a career comp % of 65.9 just sayin

Here you go bud tell it to the folks below....

 

[erod]

Joe Montana and Steve Young never lacked for weapons in San Francisco. I suppose that means we should question their Hall of Fame credentials.

Neither of them ever went 8-8 in the easiest division in football.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Tom Brady 63.8%
Aaron Rodgers 64.6%
Peyton Manning 65.3%

Do people solely use the completion stats at face value? If so, then you take the view that Dak Prescott is a more accurate passer than Peyton, Aaron and Tom. Everyone is entitled to their view.

Or do people factor in the rules changes more in favour of QBs, Prescott not having to play behind a bad Oline in any season, the above three guys attempting more difficult throws into tighter windows resulting in less completions etc

What are daks stats against throwing in to tight windows or deep throws? I know what they are I'll allow you guys to look it up. Just give me a stat that shows he's inaccurate my mind is open.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Here you go bud tell it to the folks below....

Provide me with stats that shows his inaccuracy that's all I ask.

 

[CouchCoach]

In the past, Mike McCarthy's passing scheme has utilized a West Coast Offense.

I've always felt as though that'd favor Dak's game. Perhaps we'll see about that.

Except that the QB has to be strong on accuracy on the crosses and slants and neither he nor Romo was very good at that, a lot of balls thrown behind the receiver not named Witten.

However, Prescott has already disproven that theory accuracy can't be improved in the NFL so it will be interesting to see how he adapts to McC's O.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Exactly. They are always giving Matt Ryan weapons and no one has a problem with that.

Why would Cowboy Fans have an opinion, at all, with what goes on in Atlanta and Matt Ryan?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

However, Prescott has already disproven that theory accuracy can't be improved in the NFL so it will be interesting to see how he adapts to McC's O.

Has he, or have we just brought in that much more talent at WR? I wonder....

 

[kskboys]

Neither of them ever went 8-8 in the easiest division in football.

Or had Jason Garrett as HC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bullflop]

Except that the QB has to be strong on accuracy on the crosses and slants and neither he nor Romo was very good at that, a lot of balls thrown behind the receiver not named Witten.

However, Prescott has already disproven that theory accuracy can't be improved in the NFL so it will be interesting to see how he adapts to McC's O.

Assuming that eventually the Cowboys offense switches to the West Coast version, Dak might need to be coached up to get an acceptable level of accuracy to accommodate those crossing patterns and slants. He's improved to some extent already, as you say. Improving to make the West Coast Offense a workable one would put the cherry on the cake. It may take time for that to work but who's to say it won't? I hope it does. We'll see.

 

[Redball Express]

Look at this crap pass...

To be real, however, I think most of us would at least agree that Dak's > Wentz..

Piling on..

personal foul..

15 yards and 3rd down.

Give him credit he picked it up and put it in where he was trying to put it.

His momma taught him well.

 

[CouchCoach]

Assuming that eventually the Cowboys offense switches to the West Coast version, Dak might need to be coached up to get an acceptable level of accuracy to accommodate those crossing patterns and slants. He's improved to some extent already, as you say. Improving to make the West Coast Offense a workable one would put the cherry on the cake. It may take time for that to work but who's to say it won't? I hope it does. We'll see.

I think he took a good step in that direction last year with a more traditional NFL passing game not as reliant on the run.

The other thing I've always liked about the WCO is that the QB doesn't have to be 6'4"; it was very friendly to 6'2" QB's like Montana and Young. Good O to create throwing lanes.