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aria

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A couple guys here do not like being called on not using consistent logic. They act like you're changing the subject or "baiting/trolling".
Apparently you don’t understand the concept of staying on topic, not surprised you agree with someone who makes as little sense as you do. There’s about 100 Dak threads, if you want to talk about Dak then go there. If you want to compare Dak vs Zeke then start a new thread. Neither one of are talking about anything even remotely close to the topic of the thread.

So where are you going on vacation this summer?
 

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Lmao he’s number 4 and fans, that hate players that get paid, are ripping him like he’s the worst in the league.
Lol, the ‘ole jealousy spin. Nice, I guess that’s why O actually supported Dlaw when he was holding out and prior to him joining the zeke Dbag club, same for Jaylon.

I also never said Zeke wasn’t a good RB but nice try, why don’t you fabricate some more lies?
 

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Lol, the ‘ole jealousy spin. Nice, I guess that’s why O actually supported Dlaw when he was holding out and prior to him joining the zeke Dbag club, same for Jaylon.

I also never said Zeke wasn’t a good RB but nice try, why don’t you fabricate some more lies?
I don’t even know what the heck you’re talking about. I was posting in response to the OP.
 

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I don’t even know what the heck you’re talking about. I was posting in response to the OP.
You said fans hate him because he’s getting paid. That’s ridiculous. The only part that is remotely true is fans who are upset that they paid a RB that much money which is a very valid point.

Never mind...looks like you were talking about Dak. I thought this was a Zeke thread o_O
 

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If you look at Dak and zeke's "highlights".....you can see he's been primarily used as "outlet". That isn't HIS fault. And he's been pretty damn good with it too....catching the awkward Dak-about-to-get-sacked wobbly pass. He gets yards and first downs. A few times he streaked down the sideline for very respectable grabs for a BIG RB.

I think you should give him another year before you pass permanent judgement on it.

One other thing....I am asking because I don;t know....do primary RB run a lot to receiver routes? I've always thought those routes were usually run by change of pass or specialty back. Thanks!

Yeah part of the reason he hasn’t been great in the passing game is a lack of use and creativity.

However, there have been times when he’s been blanketed by LBers out of the backfield, so I don’t even know if it matters if they had him running full on WR routes.

Regardless, he’s not been as strong as I anticipated in that regard based on scouting reports.

His forte has clearly been pas blocking and rushing
 

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Yeah part of the reason he hasn’t been great in the passing game is a lack of use and creativity.

However, there have been times when he’s been blanketed by LBers out of the backfield, so I don’t even know if it matters if they had him running full on WR routes.

Regardless, he’s not been as strong as I anticipated in that regard based on scouting reports.

His forte has clearly been pas blocking and rushing


I will have to respectfully disagree. Go ahead and watch both Dak and Zeke highlights. You see him catching the ball a LOT!

And it's okay to disagree here. All good.....it is just my opinion that he makes a good receiver for dak in certain situations. HE's a big back.....maybe not earl cambell big but he's not gonna run a lot of WR routes, that is for sure. What he will do is catch the ball and get some yards and first downs. When and where he is told to do it.
 

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I will have to respectfully disagree. Go ahead and watch both Dak and Zeke highlights. You see him catching the ball a LOT!

And it's okay to disagree here. All good.....it is just my opinion that he makes a good receiver for dak in certain situations. HE's a big back.....maybe not earl cambell big but he's not gonna run a lot of WR routes, that is for sure. What he will do is catch the ball and get some yards and first downs. When and where he is told to do it.

I don’t actually disagree. I’m just saying he hasn’t met my expectation based on scouting reports.

so I guess saying he’s been “almost useless” is too far.

I can only think of one reception where the guy legit beats coverage, and that’s when he helped close out Detroit a couple seasons back.
 

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Yep! Rushing champ two of 4 years...ain't elite. Good call.
And anyone of the top 5 backs would have achieved the same thing behind this line without a doubt

Zeke is good and his blocking ups his stock but there are at least 5 backs I’d take over him if healthy and they would in all likelihood be heLthy behind the line zeke has had
 

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And anyone of the top 5 backs would have achieved the same thing behind this line without a doubt

Zeke is good and his blocking ups his stock but there are at least 5 backs I’d take over him if healthy and they would in all likelihood be heLthy behind the line zeke has had
Got that right, without this O line he may not even be top 10. Here’s a little nugget that shows how inferior he actually is at creating his own yards. Never forget though, he’s the best because he’s a Cowboy!

https://www.fantasypros.com/2020/01/best-and-worst-rbs-at-creating-yards-in-2019-fantasy-football/
 

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And anyone of the top 5 backs would have achieved the same thing behind this line without a doubt

Zeke is good and his blocking ups his stock but there are at least 5 backs I’d take over him if healthy and they would in all likelihood be heLthy behind the line zeke has had

CMC
Saquon
Chubb
Kamara
Henry


Did I get them right?
 

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Yeah part of the reason he hasn’t been great in the passing game is a lack of use and creativity.

However, there have been times when he’s been blanketed by LBers out of the backfield, so I don’t even know if it matters if they had him running full on WR routes.

Regardless, he’s not been as strong as I anticipated in that regard based on scouting reports.

His forte has clearly been pas blocking and rushing

i tend to agree with most of what you've pointed out here.

- There has been a lack of creativity, design and consistency with the use of Zeke in the pass game.
Using him as just a safety valve dump off is a waste of talent as a receiver, imo.
What has added to his demise in the pass game is his lack of burst that seems to be totally different
than what he displayed in 2016 when he entered the NFL.

- The great quick screen that led to splash plays and TDs downfield - gone. It was non-existence
Most of that is Kellen Moore- the rest is Zeke's sudden lack of burst.
Some here may point how Urban Meyer used zeke in slot at Ohio St. but what worked in college design does
always work in NFL level.

- i don't like him in slot as ZKE isn't an a overly multi-shifty back in that sense.
And hes not gonna shifty-shake coverage LBs and isolation one on one match ups.
But he has some dangerous traits that can be useful if scheme-designs and his splash play conditioning
returns.
Misdirection plays, screen plays and wheel routes up field work most effective to get him
untracked and having biggest impact in pass game.
i've said several times over that i really believe McCarthy's coaches of Philibin, Peete can get far more
creativity out of Zeke in pass game than what we saw under Moore with Zeke in pass game.
If Kellen is the one to implement and scheme Zeke in pass game -Forget it !

- i'm not sure what you mean by Zeke " has not been that strong as i anticipated ".
Are you talking Zeke not being strong physically ...or not strong as an area of Zeke in the pass game ?

:omg:
 

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i tend to agree with most of what you've pointed out here.

- There has been a lack of creativity, design and consistency with the use of Zeke in the pass game.
Using him as just a safety valve dump off is a waste of talent as a receiver, imo.
What has added to his demise in the pass game is his lack of burst that seems to be totally different
than what he displayed in 2016 when he entered the NFL.

- The great quick screen that led to splash plays and TDs downfield - gone. It was non-existence
Most of that is Kellen Moore- the rest is Zeke's sudden lack of burst.
Some here may point how Urban Meyer used zeke in slot at Ohio St. but what worked in college design does
always work in NFL level.

- i don't like him in slot as ZKE isn't an a overly multi-shifty back in that sense.
And hes not gonna shifty-shake coverage LBs and isolation one on one match ups.
But he has some dangerous traits that can be useful if scheme-designs and his splash play conditioning
returns.
Misdirection plays, screen plays and wheel routes up field work most effective to get him
untracked and having biggest impact in pass game.
i've said several times over that i really believe McCarthy's coaches of Philibin, Peete can get far more
creativity out of Zeke in pass game than what we saw under Moore with Zeke in pass game.
If Kellen is the one to implement and scheme Zeke in pass game -Forget it !

- i'm not sure what you mean by Zeke " has not been that strong as i anticipated ".
Are you talking Zeke not being strong physically ...or not strong as an area of Zeke in the pass game ?

:omg:

Ha, no I think he’s one of the strongest backs in the NFL. Dude’s a battering ram.

I was just talking about the strength of his receiving skill set
 

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Granted, this was before the 2019 season but he didn’t improve that much, if at all. Unbelievable how many fans this guy has brain washed due to this O line.

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