Many cooks in the kitchen, without a chef!

[quickccc]

-Certainly there were issues between MM and Rodgers that lead to his firing. We even heard rumors early last season that Rodgers wasn't happy with the new offense he was running. After the draft, not only did they draft a future QB, but the HC stated he wanted to bring more of a run first type of offense. Rodgers could have issues with coaching, but it looks more like the new regime wants to start building for the future.

Be prepared for future rumors of Rodgers trade to NE Pats in a year or two down the road.

 

[quickccc]

We got very fortunate with the trade back. Floyd suffered a knee injury that ended his career. I do remember, Marinelli stating he saw Floyd more as a NT not a 3T that he coveted. The Cowboys were transitioning from Kiffen to Marinelli at that time.

the irony is while it was rumored that Floyd was not Marinelli's "quick twitch " type preference
and thought of among Rod as more of a 1 tech than his preferred type 3 tech, Cowboys reportedly
were interested and considering drafting Bucs 3-4 DE Vita Vea, the massive 350+ pounder coming out of Washington.

- You wouldn't think that build, style and massive bulk would be anything near what a Marinelli ever wanted,
but rumors had it that in the Cowboys minds, Vea supposedly was thought as a 1 tech body,
with 3- tech pass rush traits. Go figure.

- Although that seemed to be typical pre-draft rumors and speculation among media clouds.
Dunno if we really were that interested and if we would have really pull the trigger on Vea should he had slipped down to our 1st round slot ,..that ended up being LVE instead.

 

[Big_D]

The whole Cowboy Organization has lacked a central leader in many areas within the team:

-We have heard that picking the draft picks was a team effort, where Jerry was the tie-breaker if it came to that point. As we have seen, the front office/coaching staff & the scouts haven't been on the same page. S. Floyd was high on their team board, yet when he fell to them, they refused to take him cause he didn't fit Marinelli's profile as a 3T DT. We are all aware of the whole Watt/Taco debacle. MM stated this year that the organization should empower the scouts and Will McClay as they do all the work on evaluating the players. On paper, the Cowboys has one of their best drafts in several years.

-We have heard that it's a team effort putting the offensive game plan together, the likes of Kellen Moore, Jason Garrett, Nuss, Kitna & even Dak all were involved in the process. So many men, probably so many different opinions. Why hire a OC if they don't trust him to put together his own game plan? We aren't sure of all the logistics how it we all work between MM & Moore, but it is clear, they are in charge.

-Do we even need to discuss the Defense, having two so called DC's not being on the same page was an absolute disaster. What we do know now is Mike Nolan is the team's DC, he will be implementing his own scheme, making his own calls and having the entire unit being on the same page.

So many cooks in the kitchen, without one Chef!!

This has been the situation since the Garrett/Phillips hires. It was a ridiculous setup that continued for 13 seasons. Just seemed that way so the fingers would point in every direction besides Garretts. That's another amazing aspect of having McCarthy here. He's in charge. good or bad, it's on him. Makes the Garrett era an even bigger joke.

 

[quickccc]

We took the 1st and 3rd we got for trading back and passing on Floyd, and ended up with Travis Frederick and Terrance Williams. On the other hand, Floyd only played 3 years in the NFL, none of which were particularly notable. In all, the Cowboys came out WAY on top on that deal, so how was that a disaster for the Cowboys?

As for Marinelli saying Floyd wasn't a fit for his scheme, Marinelli wasn't even the D-Coordinator when Sharriff was drafted. He was only the D-Line coach, so he wasn't the one determining the scheme. I'm not sure why Floyd wouldn't have been a scheme fit for Marinelli anyway because Floyd was the kind of quick DT Marinelli typically likes.

Kiffin and Marinelli evolved from the same scheme that they worked and paired up together with the Bucs.

The other irony when it came to Marinelli ?
Much was talked about his preference for quick twitch and fast get
off when it comes to his DL, but Taco's college tape showed he was quite cumbersome and a tad slow off the snap of the ball. So how that's fit the " quick twitch " theory when it comes to watching the game tape ?

 

[dallasdave]

But bloke ...
Someone left the cake out in the rain. I don't think that I can take it. Because it took too long to bake it and I'll never have that recipes again. Oh, no.

 

[dallasdave]

Landry never worked with Jerry in any capacity. In fact, Jerry's first act as owner was to fire him. I'm a huge Landry fan and I was pissed, but Jerry and Jimmy did inherit a 3-13 roster with no QB. What Jimmy did in his short tenure was so remarkable it got him into the NFL HOF.

Well said indeed Sir All Hail Jimmy Johnson

 

[dallasdave]

1.Jerry handed the keys over to Garrett
2.Jerry could no longer trust Garrett with the keys.
3.Jerry handed out multiple keys to multiple coaches.

This is where all the chefs came from.

Jerry let anyone in the kitchen

 

[Cowboyny]

the irony is while it was rumored that Floyd was not Marinelli's "quick twitch " type preference
and thought of among Rod as more of a 1 tech than his preferred type 3 tech, Cowboys reportedly
were interested and considering drafting Bucs 3-4 DE Vita Vea, the massive 350+ pounder coming out of Washington.

- You wouldn't think that build, style and massive bulk would be anything near what a Marinelli ever wanted,
but rumors had it that in the Cowboys minds, Vea supposedly was thought as a 1 tech body,
with 3- tech pass rush traits. Go figure.

- Although that seemed to be typical pre-draft rumors and speculation among media clouds.
Dunno if we really were that interested and if we would have really pull the trigger on Vea should he had slipped down to our 1st round slot ,..that ended up being LVE instead.

Based on their history under Marinelli, I highly doubt they would of taken Vea if available. We saw year after year their refusal to take a high level NT.

 

[Cowboyny]

Be prepared for future rumors of Rodgers trade to NE Pats in a year or two down the road.

It's quite ironic, the same thing happened to Farve in Green Bay is now happening to him. If you remember correctly, the Cowboys played a role in why they decided to move on from Farve; game in Dallas in which both teams for fighting for the #1 seed, Farve got hurt, Rodgers lit our defense up, but ultimately Ware saved the day. They saw Rodgers performing at a high level on the big stage.

 

[Cowboyny]

As for being fortunate about the trade back, the team didn't just make the deal randomly and got lucky, the team felt it could get better value with the trade back, and as we now know that was a correct evaluation. I can't imagine anyone in Dallas regretted it even before Floyd got injured.

If we could go back to the posts the day after the draft, I'm pretty sure they all were disappointed. Many thought they should of gotten a 2nd rd pick to move back and thought Frederick was a major reach.

 

[OmerV]

Kiffin and Marinelli evolved from the same scheme that they worked and paired up together with the Bucs.

The other irony when it came to Marinelli ?
Much was talked about his preference for quick twitch and fast get
off when it comes to his DL, but Taco's college tape showed he was quite cumbersome and a tad slow off the snap of the ball. So how that's fit the " quick twitch " theory when it comes to watching the game tape ?

As for Floyd ...

Even if Marinelli came from the same background as Kiffen, that doesn't change the fact It was Kiffen at DC, so blame him instead of Marinelli.

And really, I don't see how that is fair anyway considering Kiffen didn't have authority to make any decision Jerry and Jason didn't buy into.

And, then, there is still the fact that the Cowboys came out way ahead by trading down and passing on Floyd, so I don't understand why a fan would complain anyway.

As for Taco …

The team screwed up. It happens. There were 3 other teams besides Dallas that took DE's before Watt was taken, and every one of them made the wrong choice as well

 

[OmerV]

If we could go back to the posts the day after the draft, I'm pretty sure they all were disappointed. Many thought they should of gotten a 2nd rd pick to move back and thought Frederick was a major reach.

This is true - a lot weren't happy with the pick at the time. But immediate fan reaction isn't the measure of what is a good deal or not. Only history can tell that, and history has shown the Cowboys made the right move by trading back and getting Frederick and Williams instead of Floyd.

 

[Cowboyny]

This is true - a lot weren't happy with the pick at the time. But immediate fan reaction isn't the measure of what is a good deal or not. Only history can tell that, and history has shown the Cowboys made the right move by trading back and getting Frederick and Williams instead of Floyd.

It's easy to say this now, as we know the results, but teams should never pass up a blue chip prospect and only get a 3rd pick in return. On paper, they lost on that trade. Fortunately for them both Fredrick and even Williams played better then their draft slots.

 

[Stash]

As for Floyd ...

Even if Marinelli came from the same background as Kiffen, that doesn't change the fact It was Kiffen at DC, so blame him instead of Marinelli.

And really, I don't see how that is fair anyway considering Kiffen didn't have authority to make any decision Jerry and Jason didn't buy into.

And, then, there is still the fact that the Cowboys came out way ahead by trading down and passing on Floyd, so I don't understand why a fan would complain anyway.

Are you unaware of the facts surrounding the Sharif Floyd decision? Yes, it was in fact Marinelli who felt that Floyd wasn't quick twitch enough for his defensive line. This is well known and you can easily find it if you're still unsure.

As for Taco …

The team screwed up. It happens. There were 3 other teams besides Dallas that took DE's before Watt was taken, and every one of them made the wrong choice as well

Marinelli 'happened', yet again. And since when do 'other teams mistakes' absolve the Cowboys of theirs? What do you do if someone else jumps off a bridge?

 

[OmerV]

It's easy to say this now, as we know the results, but teams should never pass up a blue chip prospect and only get a 3rd pick in return. On paper, they lost on that trade. Fortunately for them both Fredrick and even Williams played better then their draft slots.

You mean the teams don't get to decide for themselves what prospects are worth picking at a certain point in the draft? They have to go by what outside sources say, and not make their own evaluations and choices?

Come on - the Cowboys had every right to make the choice they did, and it was on them to live with the consequences. Don't pretend it was a blind choice without reason - they traded back hoping for the kind of result they got. No, it wasn't guaranteed they would get the result they did, but apparently they didn't feel Floyd was guaranteed to be worth a high draft pick either. Teams make those choices all the time.

 

[Stash]

It's easy to say this now, as we know the results, but teams should never pass up a blue chip prospect and only get a 3rd pick in return. On paper, they lost on that trade. Fortunately for them both Fredrick and even Williams played better then their draft slots.

Other than Frederick, that 2013 draft was a disaster.

TE Gavin Escobar over TE Travis Kielce anyone?

WR Terrance Williams ahead of WR Keenan Allen?

It's no wonder the people in charge at that time have been replaced.

 

[OmerV]

Are you unaware of the facts surrounding the Sharif Floyd decision? Yes, it was in fact Marinelli who felt that Floyd wasn't quick twitch enough for his defensive line. This is well known and you can easily find it if you're still unsure.



Marinelli 'happened', yet again. And since when do 'other teams mistakes' absolve the Cowboys of theirs? What do you do if someone else jumps off a bridge?

I specifically said the team screwed up, and your response is to claim I absolved the team of its mistake? Huh?

All I suggested is that teams do screw up in the draft - nobody bats 1.000, and it is not an exact science.

As for Floyd, regardless of who anyone chooses to "blame", the Cowboys clearly made the right choice. Does anyone really regret getting Frederick and Williams instead of Floyd?

 

[Stash]

I specifically said the team screwed up, and your response is to claim I absolved the team of its mistake? Huh?

'It happens'. Lame attempted excuse-making. You're at it once again.

All I suggested is that teams do screw up in the draft - nobody bats 1.000, and it is not an exact science.

Good thing nobody ever said it was. It doesn't absolve this team of its own clear mistakes or lessen them.

As for Floyd, regardless of who anyone chooses to "blame", the Cowboys clearly made the right choice. Does anyone really regret getting Frederick and Williams instead of Floyd?

That one pick in Frederick over Floyd? No.

The rest of that draft? Oh yes, it was a disaster.

 

[OmerV]

'It happens'. Lame attempted excuse-making. You're at it once again.



Good thing nobody ever said it was. It doesn't absolve this team of its own clear mistakes or lessen them.



That one pick in Frederick over Floyd? No.

The rest of that draft? Oh yes, it was a disaster.

I clearly did not absolve the team, I just didn't overblow what a screw up means. A screw up in the draft is not a dramatic moment in the NFL the way some want to portray it, especially with a late 1st round pick, and it's actually possible for a person to acknowledge a screw up without treating it as a dramatic moment. A screw up in the draft is a mistake teams have to move on from after it is made - all teams. We can't blindly pretend it is only a major issue when the Cowboys do it because that's what we want to believe.

We weren't talking about "the rest of the draft", so your comment on that doesn't address anything I wrote. But just to be clear, it wasn't just Frederick instread of Floyd, by trading back we also got a 3rd round pick that was used on Terrance Williams, so we got both Frederick and Williams by passing on Floyd.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes did not take Floyd but ended up drafting Frederick, sorry not going to whine too much about that. I have no problems with the talent this team has been drafting and picking up in FA. Most who cover the NFL seems to see the talent on this team which lead them to question Garrett and the coaching staff of why they could not win with the talent they have.