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[CouchCoach]

While I am not a Garrett fan, I do not lay it on him when the QB throws a pick unless he called a pick on that play.

Got a WR running the same exact route he ran earlier against one of the best CB's in the league, did he think he would fool him? If the OC calls that play does he not depend on his QB and WR not to make it look the same? The QB and WR were equally responsible for poor execution of the play. They're facing the best DC in the game with the best CB and it's the OC's or HC's fault?

Garrett was not creative and what was it about him that led people to think he would be? He had never shown that tendency. When a backup QB, he came in and executed the offense. An offense, mind you, that was predicated on out manning the D, not creativity. We think our guys are better than yours and we'll prove it. That was his indoctrination into the NFL and first look at pro coaching. It was not about outsmarting them, it was about outplaying them.

He didn't show any creativity in NY or MIA either. He came into Dallas with very little experience What did he do with Bryant? Make him run his routes better or use him as the 50/50 WR? He probably ran the ball on 1st down more than any NFL coach because that's what he knew. He is the type coach that has to have the talent edge because he's not the tie breaker when it's even. And there are a hell of a lot more like him in the NFL, a hell of a lot.

I've said this about him many times, he was the hide in plain sight coach. Got this great football family pedigree and an Ivy League education and even has his QB endorse him as a future NFL HC. And what did Aikman base that on? Garrett's understanding of the offense, not creating one. He gets fast tracked up the ladder and if that were you, what would you do? Say oh no, I am not ready? Hell no, you grab it, jump on it and try to ride it. And you would love to be creative but you just aren't, some people just aren't.

You know who Garrett's mentor was? Nick Saban, think he's creative or is he dependent on better talent? How about before that with Norv Turner? Think he was creative? He took Zampese's playbook along with one of the most accurate QB's in the history of the NFL, a great OL, WR corps and TE AND a great D and just lined his up against theirs. That's why it was easy for Garrett to step in and take over. Don't create, just execute.

Y'all can lay all you want on Garrett but I look at the guy that hired him and kept him when it was evident he'd ben hiding in plain sight but Booger was blind to it because Garrett made him comfortable. The only way Garrett improved was if the talent improved and he has a lot of company in that in the NFL.

 

[fivetwos]

While I am not a Garrett fan, I do not lay it on him when the QB throws a pick unless he called a pick on that play.

Got a WR running the same exact route he ran earlier against one of the best CB's in the league, did he think he would fool him? If the OC calls that play does he not depend on his QB and WR not to make it look the same? The QB and WR were equally responsible for poor execution of the play. They're facing the best DC in the game with the best CB and it's the OC's or HC's fault?

Garrett was not creative and what was it about him that led people to think he would be? He had never shown that tendency. When a backup QB, he came in and executed the offense. An offense, mind you, that was predicated on out manning the D, not creativity. We think our guys are better than yours and we'll prove it. That was his indoctrination into the NFL and first look at pro coaching. It was not about outsmarting them, it was about outplaying them.

He didn't show any creativity in NY or MIA either. He came into Dallas with very little experience What did he do with Bryant? Make him run his routes better or use him as the 50/50 WR? He probably ran the ball on 1st down more than any NFL coach because that's what he knew. He is the type coach that has to have the talent edge because he's not the tie breaker when it's even. And there are a hell of a lot more like him in the NFL, a hell of a lot.

I've said this about him many times, he was the hide in plain sight coach. Got this great football family pedigree and an Ivy League education and even has his QB endorse him as a future NFL HC. And what did Aikman base that on? Garrett's understanding of the offense, not creating one. He gets fast tracked up the ladder and if that were you, what would you do? Say oh no, I am not ready? Hell no, you grab it, jump on it and try to ride it. And you would love to be creative but you just aren't, some people just aren't.

You know who Garrett's mentor was? Nick Saban, think he's creative or is he dependent on better talent? How about before that with Norv Turner? Think he was creative? He took Zampese's playbook along with one of the most accurate QB's in the history of the NFL, a great OL, WR corps and TE AND a great D and just lined his up against theirs. That's why it was easy for Garrett to step in and take over. Don't create, just execute.

Y'all can lay all you want on Garrett but I look at the guy that hired him and kept him when it was evident he'd ben hiding in plain sight but Booger was blind to it because Garrett made him comfortable. The only way Garrett improved was if the talent improved and he has a lot of company in that in the NFL.

All good stuff coach, and you arent wrong anywhere.

Maybe it's a case of accepting that Jerry isnt going anywhere, but sure...the guy that hired him and put up with it is the guy to blame for sure.

Jerry wanted his perfect hand picked puppet. Problem was, the guy had zero innovative inclination offensively, and while younger minds came into the game with new ideas and approaches, the game passed Garrett by, and that's being nice.

Jerry didn't want to believe it. He kept listening to "it's a process" as if Garrett took over a depleted roster.

I will never be convinced that it wasnt Romo covering for Garrett way more than what's out there.

But yeah, in the end, it was "booger (I love that tremendously)" that has to have his hand picked puppet.

He knew after NE last year that he had to go, and you could hear it in his voice.

Nonetheless, they still had chances to get it done and couldnt, and it did seem that the team just quit on a guy that they didnt believe in.

That team would have been buried in a decent division.

Romo and the fact that the NFC East has been garbage for as long as it has is why Garrett lasted so long.

 

[NotForLong]

Of understand the NFL defenses enough to call audibles?

No hate here I am just trying to look at the big picture. I don't think it's all just one thing to blame.

Exactly

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

But that is coaching......you say to hell with coaching but you are coaching?

I think you should go easy on Dre. He was being sarcastic.....
He never said that's what he thinks. He was saying that's what Garrett thinks...."to hell with coaching just makes speeches".,

I know...it's hard to read people on the internet. We should give some benefit of doubt though. Not pigeon hole it.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Did you play football? If so, did you play on the Oline or RB positions? If you did either, did you start and excel at your position on the field?

Not that I recall...How about you?
I have never claimed to be any expert...in fact I continually claim the opposite. But hey....you don't have to be a NASA Orbital Mechanics Astrophysicist to tell NSAS fkt up a couple times.

So...what are YOUR NFL credentials...since you're calling me out.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think you should go easy on Dre. He was being sarcastic.....
He never said that's what he thinks. He was saying that's what Garrett thinks...."to hell with coaching just makes speeches".,

I know...it's hard to read people on the internet. We should give some benefit of doubt though. Not pigeon hole it.

Did you see his reply? He confirmed what I asked lol.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Not that I recall...How about you?
I have never claimed to be any expert...in fact I continually claim the opposite. But hey....you don't have to be a NASA Orbital Mechanics Astrophysicist to tell NSAS fkt up a couple times.

So...what are YOUR NFL credentials...since you're calling me out.

Texas High School All State Center. Also played HB in junior high and 9th grade. I understand the roles of both positions fairly well. Zeke clearly has come up short during key 3rd or 4th and short running plays. The Oline's blocking during thise plays has been fairly good as explained and shown in the video. The problem has been Zeke. Not a good sign to be paid so much only to not show up on key plays that have killed drives, left points on the field and contributed to game losses. I know it hurts some fans like yourself to hear that about Zeke, but that's the truth. Hope the old Zeke comes back because there is no need to continue paying so much money for a RB who is supposed to convert such key game-costing plays but doesn't.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Texas High School All State Center. Also played HB in junior high and 9th grade. I understand the roles of both positions fairly well. Zeke clearly has come up short during key 3rd or 4th and short running plays. The Oline's blocking during thise plays has been fairly good as explained and shown in the video. The problem has been Zeke. Not a good sign to be paid so much only to not show up on key plays that have killed drives, left points on the field and contributed to game losses. I know it hurts some fans like yourself to hear that about Zeke, but that's the truth. Hope the old Zeke comes back because there is no need to continue paying so much money for a RB who is supposed to convert such key game-costing plays but doesn't.

Texas High School All State Center. Also played HB in junior high and 9th grade. I understand the roles of both positions fairly well. Zeke clearly has come up short during key 3rd or 4th and short running plays. The Oline's blocking during thise plays has been fairly good as explained and shown in the video. The problem has been Zeke. Not a good sign to be paid so much only to not show up on key plays that have killed drives, left points on the field and contributed to game losses. I know it hurts some fans like yourself to hear that about Zeke, but that's the truth. Hope the old Zeke comes back because there is no need to continue paying so much money for a RB who is supposed to convert such key game-costing plays but doesn't.

Ah..okay so you are an NFL expert based on those credentials. . Great.

I say MANY players have not played to their potential. I say Dak never even had as high of potential as Zeke and that Zeke helped Dak succeed...especially in he 2016 season, the one that earned Dak his job. If you are such a football expert as you claim...you;d know that is true. If you know as much as you claim...you'd know Dak isn't a top 5 QB. Not from his college credentials and ....Not from one or two very good seasons. With 3 1st round pick on the line and a 1st round pick running back helping him. Most rookies that start have a very sheety team....given they're typically very high round pick expected to perform on crappy teams (that;s how the team got a high draft pick to begin with)/

When you are protected by THREE first round draft picks...and can hand off to a first round RB...that ....doesn't help? Dude...come on man...just come on.

We do share one thing in common. We hope Zeke returns to his rightful form. At least I THINK we share that I am not exactly sure.....but I'll go with it out of hope.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Did you see his reply? He confirmed what I asked lol.

Didn't see it...let me go back and see.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Ah..okay so you are an NFL expert based on those credentials. . Great.

I say MANY players have not played to their potential. I say Dak never even had as high of potential as Zeke and that Zeke helped Dak succeed...especially in he 2016 season, the one that earned Dak his job. If you are such a football expert as you claim...you;d know that is true. If you know as much as you claim...you'd know Dak isn't a top 5 QB. Not from his college credentials and ....Not from one or two very good seasons. With 3 1st round pick on the line and a 1st round pick running back helping him. Most rookies that start have a very sheety team....given they're typically very high round pick expected to perform on crappy teams (that;s how the team got a high draft pick to begin with)/

When you are protected by THREE first round draft picks...and can hand off to a first round RB...that ....doesn't help? Dude...come on man...just come on.

We do share one thing in common. We hope Zeke returns to his rightful form. At least I THINK we share that I am not exactly sure.....but I'll go with it out of hope.

I say you don't know what you are talking about, but thanks for the entertaining rhetoric.

 

[ItzKelz]

Yeah, but unfortunately his story about us starts with how predictable we are. Any DB that studies film could pick up on this -

‘Dallas if they run routes during a game… they run the same, they start running a repeating route.’

edit " How predictable we were" (Fingers crossed)

Sorry but every corner doesnt study like Gilmore. Its an insult to him to even say that IMO

 

[buybuydandavis]

If anyone is still unclear that our former head coach and staff put us at a competitive disadvantage, here's Exhibit Z in the case:



These are statements from an All-Pro player with no 'dog in the fight', and no 'axe to grind', and no reason to tell anything other than the truth. A truth that a few still can't understand or admit.

After reading comments like this, I'm even more thrilled that the long-ended change was finally made, and our players will no longer be playing with one arm tied behind their backs on Sunday's.

"We do what we do!"
"We'll out execute them!"

So glad Garrett is gone.

 

[Aven8]

If anyone is still unclear that our former head coach and staff put us at a competitive disadvantage, here's Exhibit Z in the case:



These are statements from an All-Pro player with no 'dog in the fight', and no 'axe to grind', and no reason to tell anything other than the truth. A truth that a few still can't understand or admit.

After reading comments like this, I'm even more thrilled that the long-ended change was finally made, and our players will no longer be playing with one arm tied behind their backs on Sunday's.

And to think, even with that crappy offense, wind, cold, and rain we still should have won that game.........

 

[BermyStar]

Sorry but every corner doesnt study like Gilmore. Its an insult to him to even say that IMO

I didn't say EVERY corner does...I said ANY corner that does

 

[Dre11]

But that is coaching......you say to hell with coaching but you are coaching?

never said the hell with coaching, It started with me saying players win and lose games, that no matter what play is called it's up to the players to execute the players. it ballooned from there, of course I coach but it's overrated, as a coach, you're as good as your players.so

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

never said the hell with coaching, It started with me saying players win and lose games, that no matter what play is called it's up to the players to execute the players. it ballooned from there, of course I coach but it's overrated, as a coach, you're as good as your players.so

Why is it bad coaches usually coach bad teams and good coaches constantly coach perennial contenders?

 

[HungryLion]

Ah..okay so you are an NFL expert based on those credentials. . Great.

I say MANY players have not played to their potential. I say Dak never even had as high of potential as Zeke and that Zeke helped Dak succeed...especially in he 2016 season, the one that earned Dak his job. If you are such a football expert as you claim...you;d know that is true. If you know as much as you claim...you'd know Dak isn't a top 5 QB. Not from his college credentials and ....Not from one or two very good seasons. With 3 1st round pick on the line and a 1st round pick running back helping him. Most rookies that start have a very sheety team....given they're typically very high round pick expected to perform on crappy teams (that;s how the team got a high draft pick to begin with)/

When you are protected by THREE first round draft picks...and can hand off to a first round RB...that ....doesn't help? Dude...come on man...just come on.

We do share one thing in common. We hope Zeke returns to his rightful form. At least I THINK we share that I am not exactly sure.....but I'll go with it out of hope.

Dallas had the #4 overall pick the year Dak was drafted.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Dallas had the #4 overall pick the year Dak was drafted.

I am sorry I wasn't clear enough. I am talking about rookie quarterbacks starting. It's kinda rare to begin with? But typically they are very high draft picks...like #1 overall even. The team got the #1 pick by being pretty bad. Sometimes this #1 QB is expected to start...on the bad team that got the #1 pick.

Dak drafted mid-rounds and did very well. But the team...wasn't considered "bad"....yes? No? And Dak got the very useful (for that year) #4 overall pick RB to hand off to...a lot.
I will say it again to be clear...I think Dak did quite well in the spotlight like that. But he didn't have to perform like the #1 overall pick...like Joe Burrow probably gonna have to do.

 

[plasticman]

Stephon Gilmore led the league in INT's last season the Patriots are ranked #2 overall in INT's over the past five seasons combined.

Not defending Garrett but being taken advantage of by a Patriot DB is hardly a distinction.

 

[HungryLion]

I am sorry I wasn't clear enough. I am talking about rookie quarterbacks starting. It's kinda rare to begin with? But typically they are very high draft picks...like #1 overall even. The team got the #1 pick by being pretty bad. Sometimes this #1 QB is expected to start...on the bad team that got the #1 pick.

Dak drafted mid-rounds and did very well. But the team...wasn't considered "bad"....yes? No? And Dak got the very useful (for that year) #4 overall pick RB to hand off to...a lot.
I will say it again to be clear...I think Dak did quite well in the spotlight like that. But he didn't have to perform like the #1 overall pick...like Joe Burrow probably gonna have to do.

My point is: The team went 4-12 the year prior to Dak starting. The team was bad enough to have the #4 overall pick the draft in which Dak was drafted.

I hear what you’re saying. He had less hurdles than a guy like Burrow will. I agree with that.

But, how good do we want to say the team truly was the year prior to Dak arriving? I mean they were awful. The team was 1-11 the year prior to Dak without a QB named Romo starting. That’s pretty bad man.

Regardless, I do think you have to try to separate the QB’s performance from
The performance of the team to make an evaluation.