Dak has made $2,723,393 salary for his first 4 years

[SteveTheCowboy]

Would you rather have someone that lays down like a sick dog or plays conservative. Some exciting ending to games I remember. And some pass out in my chair right after games to.

No sir! I Admired his courage and spirit in the face of adversity. Willing to take injury...even when he was already injured. Tony Romo is everything I think an athlete should be. Pass out indeed, and not just from the libations!

Edit: But that is a little bit what I see from Dak. "Conservative". Like his run game, for one. I know he could really screw with defense if he'd take advantage....I saw some of it in 2016.

 

[Whirlwin]

That’s what Dak Prescott has made so far in the NFL. Even if he signs a 4yr/$36m per year contract - the Cowboys still got an insane bargain over an 8 year span!

That’s just my personal opinion.

I guarantee you Many think that’s too much

 

[Whirlwin]

At the time, as our second pick in the 4th round, he was happy. No question he out performed his contract, but no one took advantage of him. He could have signed a new deal at the start of last season, but chose not to do so. He hoped for a great year and even more money. But 8-8 is troubling. Don't know what he's asking. Don't know what is being offered. No way the fo should feel guilty about the way things have worked out to date.

Finally somebody who knows what they’re talking about. Yes he didn’t take the money he wanted to prove himself. He didn’t really go his way but at least you got it right

 

[Whirlwin]

Yes, Dak way outperformed his contract, but that’s just how things work sometimes, and that has no bearing on his current negotiation.

Of course it does. That’s your bargaining tool

 

[OmerV]

There are horrible rationalizations and the questions don't matter because timing is a key factor here. The Eagles got 6 years of control to spread the cap hit and manage the cap. Wentz ideally wanted less so he could hit FA quicker and cash in. The Eagles paid a premium to get 6 years of cap control AND restructure the $23MM+ they were already on the hook guaranteed to Wentz if they didn't give him a new contract.

Dak basically wants all the benefits of what Wentz got (money) but doesn't want the reality of having to give up some years of control to get it.

Wentz got X dollars to give control to the Eagles for 6 years. Dak basically wants the same X dollars but only give up 4 years of control. In no way does this make sense. If he wants 4 years, then he shouldn't get the same guarantees that Wentz (or Goff) got.

Again, you are confusing the payment plan with what is being paid for.

It’s pretty simple math - the team had 2 years of control, added 4 years, and that made 6. They didn’t pay big money to gain the 2 years of control they already had, they paid it for the 4 years they didn’t have. The ability to spread the cap hit over 6 years is just a benefit of getting the contract done before the previous contract expired, but that doesn’t change what they are paying for.

Again, what did Wentz commit to that he wasn’t already committed to? 4 years.

And the funny thing you are missing is that It’s not all in Dak’s favor because with Wentz and the Eagles agreeIng to terms before Wentz rookie contract expired, Wentz didn’t have to wait until his rookie contract expired to get signing bonus money. Dak, on the other hand, didn’t get that. He had to wait until his rookie contract expired to get any money above his rookie contract.

 

[Whirlwin]

You give what you can afford??

Last year (without money commited to Coops and Zeke) we had more money available but Dak (understandably due to down season) didn't want to sign.

Sep 2019 - Zeke signs (as he's holding out)
Mar 2020 - Coops signs (FA)

Dak missed out ..... the fault in his past payment history is, in part, his (or agents) design.

Its about now and the future that matters.

The salary cap has never been an issue for this team. Even though many people like to think so the fact is it hasn’t. This isn’t a franchise that goes after high price leftover free agents in the first place. So don’t use that for an excuse

 

[glimmerman]

No sir! I Admired his courage and spirit in the face of adversity. Willing to take injury...even when he was already injured. Tony Romo is everything I think an athlete should be. Pass out indeed, and not just from the libations!

Edit: But that is a little bit what I see from Dak. "Conservative". Like his run game, for one. I know he could really screw with defense if he'd take advantage....I saw some of it in 2016.

Looked at his run stats. I don’t think he ran as much last year. My guess is he has no contract and was afraid of injury. Give him security and a descent contract and let him lose.

 

[Sydla]

Again, you are confusing the payment plan with what is being paid for.

It’s pretty simple math - the team had 2 years of control, added 4 years, and that made 6. They didn’t pay big money to gain the 2 years they already had, they paid it for the 4 years they didn’t have. The ability to spread the cap hit over 6 years is just a benefit of getting the contract done before the previous contract expired, but that doesn’t change what they are paying for.

Again, what did Wentz commit to that he wasn’t already committed to? 4 years.

And the funny thing is you act like Wentz is getting a lesser deal than Dak when the reality is that because Wentz and the Eagles agreed to terms before Wentz rookie contract expired he didn’t have to wait until his rookie contract expired to get signing bonus money. Dak, on the other hand, didn’t get that. He had to wait until his rookie contract expired to get any money above his rookie contract.

Their previous deals matter little. So all this talk of well Wentz got this but Dak didn't is meaningless. That's the nature of the NFL and contracts and where you were drafted. Dak isn't entitled to more than someone else because he got less on his rookie contract.

If Dak gets the same dollar amounts Wentz got but it's only based on 4 years and not 6, yes, he's getting a better deal than Wentz.

 

[glimmerman]

Their previous deals matter little. So all this talk of well Wentz got this but Dak didn't is meaningless. That's the nature of the NFL and contracts and where you were drafted. Dak isn't entitled to more than someone else because he got less on his rookie contract.

Wentz is getting potentially $137MM over the 6 years (that doesn't include incentive options that are in there), with $107MM in potential guarantees.



Dak wants the same (based on reports) but over 4 years. In what world is that a similar contract or in what world is Wentz making out better?

Why not just offer him 34-35 million a year for 4 years. Same or a little more guaranteed than the last wentz or goff. What ever bonus you can afford and let’s roll.

 

[OmerV]

Their previous deals matter little. So all this talk of well Wentz got this but Dak didn't is meaningless. That's the nature of the NFL and contracts and where you were drafted. Dak isn't entitled to more than someone else because he got less on his rookie contract.

If Dak gets the same dollar amounts Wentz got but it's only based on 4 years and not 6, yes, he's getting a better deal than Wentz.

lol - no, the previous deal matters a lot because it meant the Eagles didn't have to deal with Wentz at all at that point, and even if they didn't negotiate at that time they still had Wentz for 2 more years. That's huge.

As for Dak not being entitled to something more than Wentz because he got less on his rookie contract, I agree completely, but I didn't say that he was. You didn't understand my point. Read it again.

What I think you are missing is that Wentz is still getting the money on his rookie contract. The extension didn't wipe that out - the extension money is in addition to the rookie contract money. Accordingly, the money under the extension is for the extension.

Read this - I have provided a link, and a quote from that article that explains the value of the extension (4 years/$128 million/$107 million guaranteed), and what the value is over 6 years ($154 million). The discrepancy is because the 4 years/$128 million/$107 million guaranteed is for the 4 years, and the remainder is for the remaining money under his rookie deal

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...4-year-contract-extension-through-2024-season


Carson Wentz, Eagles Agree to Historic 4-Year Contract Worth Reported $128M

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the deal is worth $128 million, including over $107 million guaranteed. His contract is now valued at $154 million total over the next six years. Schefter noted the guaranteed total is the largest ever in the NFL, topping Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson's extension in April.

 

[CowboyoWales]

The salary cap has never been an issue for this team. Even though many people like to think so the fact is it hasn’t. This isn’t a franchise that goes after high price leftover free agents in the first place. So don’t use that for an excuse

What do you mean excuse... if you haven't got it you cant give it.

You need to look at the next couple of years.

We cant even dumpster dive for two years.....I seriously doubt we could even offer Dak the Franchise Tag in 2021.

Don't keep that head in the sand.

 

[OmerV]

The salary cap has never been an issue for this team. Even though many people like to think so the fact is it hasn’t. This isn’t a franchise that goes after high price leftover free agents in the first place. So don’t use that for an excuse

That's not a fair statement. If you were to say it hasn't been an issue in recent years I would agree, although it's never really not an issue because it always has to be managed to keep it from becoming a problem, but there have been times in the past where it was a problem. That's one of the big reasons why the team no longer chases high priced free agents - they don't want to get in a salary cap bind again the way they once were.

 

[Polkton31]

You had me...I mean really did have me...until the nonsense about "risk". By all means get what you can!.... but heaven forbid they'd have to get a street job like the rest of us. Poor dears.

Didn't call them poor dears. Your words, not mine. And what does getting a street job have to do with it? When I said risk, I didn't mean a torn ligament. If you don't believe there is "Very Serious" risk involved in Professional Football... Research Johnny Knox, Darryl Stingley, Dennis Byrd, Mike Utley, or Ryan Shazier just to name a few.

 

[charron]

At the time, as our second pick in the 4th round, he was happy. No question he out performed his contract, but no one took advantage of him. He could have signed a new deal at the start of last season, but chose not to do so. He hoped for a great year and even more money. But 8-8 is troubling. Don't know what he's asking. Don't know what is being offered. No way the fo should feel guilty about the way things have worked out to date.

Might add that if we didn't take him he wouldn't even have a chance to start most likely. He didn't look great in practice. It took 2 injuries for him to get the job.

 

[glimmerman]

Might add that if we didn't take him he wouldn't even have a chance to start most likely. He didn't look great in practice. It took 2 injuries for him to get the job.

If I am not mistaken Dak only played 3 of 4 preseason games.

39 of 50 passing (78.0 percent) for 454 yards with five TD passes, two rushing touchdowns and no INTs. Ran 7 times for 53 yards.

1st among rookies in every stat but total yards. And no picks. The kid came into the league on fire. But don’t practice well.

 

[mathew1184]

More than me in my 35 years on earth. Hes signed let's stop bringing up his money for a bit? We are in a recession...let's focus on football, if we get it this year, please?

 

[Whirlwin]

That's not a fair statement. If you were to say it hasn't been an issue in recent years I would agree, although it's never really not an issue because it always has to be managed to keep it from becoming a problem, but there have been times in the past where it was a problem. That's one of the big reasons why the team no longer chases high priced free agents - they don't want to get in a salary cap bind again the way they once were.

I never remember being in a salary cap issue. I remember many people thinking so. But we always restructured.

 

[Whirlwin]

What do you mean excuse... if you haven't got it you cant give it.

You need to look at the next couple of years.

We cant even dumpster dive for two years.....I seriously doubt we could even offer Dak the Franchise Tag in 2021.

Don't keep that head in the sand.

Even When we pay Prescott, I still think we’re like 10 million above the cap

 

[CowboyoWales]

Even When we pay Prescott, I still think we’re like 10 million above the cap

Assuming you mean under and referring to 2021 and Dak getting Franchise Tag yea we're about $10m under.

So how do we replace - at least 1 LB, 2 Safeties, a DE and a CB. …..and that's with all of our 2020 drafts panning out.

That's not including possibly a Centre

 

[charron]

If I am not mistaken Dak only played 3 of 4 preseason games.

39 of 50 passing (78.0 percent) for 454 yards with five TD passes, two rushing touchdowns and no INTs. Ran 7 times for 53 yards.

1st among rookies in every stat but total yards. And no picks. The kid came into the league on fire. But don’t practice well.

He certainly looked better in pre-season than practice. And if the other 2 guys hadn't been injured he'd be riding the bench that year, maybe replace Moore as backup at some point. Romo barely played in pre-season before injury and jamiel showers was moved back to safety. He played well enough to keep the starting job that's true too, maybe the bright lights help him concentrate i dunno.