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QuincyCarterEra

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Interesting that in our 8 losses, Dak has his 8 lowest QB rankings - yet it was the team that cost the game - hmmmm

and 5 of his lowest QBR's
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Let's assume if your QB hits the average mark(50) that you win the game. Dak had a QBR of 50 or higher exactly.... 13 times lmao.

Also Dak had a QB rating of 101.4 against the Vikes, so your post is wrong.
 

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Want to use QBR?

Let's assume if your QB hits the average mark(50) that you win the game. Dak had a QBR of 50 or higher exactly.... 13 times lmao.

Also Dak had a QB rating of 101.4 against the Vikes, so your post is wrong.

Dak was given the longest time to throw of any QB that week he played the Vikings at a whopping 3.24 seconds.

and in the final red zone play, Prescott handed the ball off to Zeke on a read option, and then ran again against a smaller front and then Prescott went to Zeke immediately on the last play, because he saw the safety coming to double Amari, meaning he panicked immediately to his check-down.
 

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Want to use QBR?

Let's assume if your QB hits the average mark(50) that you win the game. Dak had a QBR of 50 or higher exactly.... 13 times lmao.

Also Dak had a QB rating of 101.4 against the Vikes, so your post is wrong.
Changed it to 6 but the point still stands - Dak was his worst in the majority of our losses - that is a fact!
 

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Want to use QBR?

Let's assume if your QB hits the average mark(50) that you win the game. Dak had a QBR of 50 or higher exactly.... 13 times lmao.

Also Dak had a QB rating of 101.4 against the Vikes, so your post is wrong.


Sure! here they are, 37.8, 58.7, 54.7, 26.1, 85.3 (oops outlier), 65.1, 33.1, 76.6

Screams average QB if you ask me
 

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Uh no, I just proved that your logic is absolutely fallacious. I didn’t say anything about what my opinion was other than your claim that Dak on an average team would have an 11-13 record is baseless, especially when his ‘below average’ team was much better than Watson’s on offense as a whole and Watson still had a better rating. If anything Dak’s should have been better by your logic...

So you think that pointing out the flaws on the Texans offensive side of the roster make it any less of the point that the Texans should have had more wins given Watson's play last season?

Talk about baseless.

You obviously aren't able to follow along very well. Watson played better than Dak against playoff teams last season. That's not being disputed.
 

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So you think that pointing out the flaws on the Texans offensive side of the roster make it any less of the point that the Texans should have had more wins given Watson's play last season?

Talk about baseless.

You obviously aren't able to follow along very well. Watson played better than Dak against playoff teams last season. That's not being disputed.
So Did Mahomes so did Tannehill, so did Wilson and they outplayed him by an awful lot. It would sure be informative to see the rest of the list
 

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Sure! here they are, 37.8, 58.7, 54.7, 26.1, 85.3 (oops outlier), 65.1, 33.1, 76.6

Screams average QB if you ask me

So two above average games, one good game, two strong games, and three poor outings against playoff teams. Where QBRs are lower because.... they're playoff teams.

You thinking that screams average QB is pretty damning towards your football knowledge.
 

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So you think that pointing out the flaws on the Texans offensive side of the roster make it any less of the point that the Texans should have had more wins given Watson's play last season?

Talk about baseless.

You obviously aren't able to follow along very well. Watson played better than Dak against playoff teams last season. That's not being disputed.

I follow along very well. You claimed the following:

An average team that had OUR QB output from last season would have been an 11-13 win team.

Your claim is that if Dak had an average team, we’d be 11-13, yet Watson, player better, had a worse team offensively and were 10-6.

Maybe it was Dak bringing the better team down and the team couldn’t do enough to compensate via his Passer rating.
 

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So Did Mahomes so did Tannehill, so did Wilson and they outplayed him by an awful lot. It would sure be informative to see the rest of the list
Yes, Dak was the 5th best. DOES THAT SCREAM AVERAGE TO YOU TOO?

And he was better than 27 other starting QBs, I would list them out, but that's lame and waste of time.

You really don't seem to have competent points to any of your posts.
 

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So two above average games, one good game, two strong games, and three poor outings against playoff teams. Where QBRs are lower because.... they're playoff teams.

You thinking that screams average QB is pretty damning towards your football knowledge.

He's an average QB able to beat up on weak teams and fall apart (save for garbage time stats) against good teams. Take away some of those 4th quarter stats when we were completly out of the game and the numbers are even worse. Now if you think 58 and 54 are strong games in the QBR world you are mistaken, if 50 is the average that is barely above it
 

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I follow along very well. You claimed the following:



Your claim is that if Dak had an average team, we’d be 11-13, yet Watson, player better, had a worse team and were 10-6.

....because Watson is good?

We agreed he had worse protection, worse team? Who knows. Watson had the luxury of throwing to the best WR in the league. So that sure helps. No mention of defense or special teams.
 

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Yes, Dak was the 5th best. DOES THAT SCREAM AVERAGE TO YOU TOO?

And he was better than 27 other starting QBs, I would list them out, but that's lame and waste of time.

You really don't seem to have competent points to any of your posts.

It seems skewed to me when i look at what the other 4 did against playoff teams, like an outlier that shouldn't be there (garbage time stats maybe?), that is why it would be nice to see the next 5-10 QB's on the list to see how they did and what their ratings were against playoff teams
 

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I agree both occur but the excuses made for Dak around here when we lose far far outweigh those who say the team carried Dak when we win and i also know you well enough that you see that. I have seen far more around here who aren't sold on Dak give him credit when he plays well than i see from Dak supporters when he doesn't and we lose, at that point in time all the excuses come out in spades
I'll have to start looking more closely because we are clearly seeing things a little differently. I see both sides I just don't see the excuses far, far outweighing the criticism.

I know you started an excuse thread for Dak and there are "excuses" but they are also reasons why the over-the-top criticism is bunk. It's the same thing with Romo during his playing days. Most people didn't defend Romo because they thought he was some great QB. They defended him because there were countless posts of how much he sucked and we would never be able to win with him. I was part of that group. Now after he quit playing he was elevated into some sort of QB God, but that's a different story. I think the same thing occurs with most Dak supporters. He is frequently bashed and these stats that get posted sort of speak to the point that he's not as bad as people claim.

What is really wish (and I know this is a pipe dream) is if people would take a step back, take a deep breath, acknowledge they have a bias, figure out what is driving that bias, and make an effort to re-evaluate their opinion with an open mind. I think the overwhelming majority of people would realize he's either not as bad or as good as they believe him to be. If that happened maybe most of the petty arguing would be eliminated and the quality of the board would be improved. Again, I know that's not going to happen, but the place would be a hell of a lot better if it would.
 

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He's an average QB able to beat up on weak teams and fall apart (save for garbage time stats) against good teams. Take away some of those 4th quarter stats when we were completly out of the game and the numbers are even worse. Now if you think 58 and 54 are strong games in the QBR world you are mistaken, if 50 is the average that is barely above it

Lol you're an absolute waste of time.

"Fall apart against good teams", you just showed yourself he doesn't fall apart against them. Stupid comment. QBR downplays all garbage time stats, you should know this if you want to use it.

54 and 58 were the "above average" two I mentioned..... dude can you really not figure that out? Is it really this hard for you? They're literally the first five words in the response. Like come on. At least try!!!
 

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the goal post will continue to move. I remember when it was that he couldn't throw for more than 250. Debunked!! Couldn't throw the deep ball. Debunked!! Now its the whole garbage pail emoji which he did just fine in 2016 and really very few QB s have winning record against winning teams.

I really don't care that much if Dak gets 30 million or 40 million or gets franchised again next year. I just laugh at the goal post moving and watching the haters squirm.
 

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Lol you're an absolute waste of time.

"Fall apart against good teams", you just showed yourself he doesn't fall apart against them. Stupid comment. QBR downplays all garbage time stats, you should know this if you want to use it.

54 and 58 were the "above average" two I mentioned..... dude can you really not figure that out? Is it really this hard for you? They're literally the first five words in the response. Like come on. At least try!!!
That is not above average - the average of the top 30 on ESPN was 56.17 - those are average!
 

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the goal post will continue to move. I remember when it was that he couldn't throw for more than 250. Debunked!! Couldn't throw the deep ball. Debunked!! Now its the whole garbage pail emoji which he did just fine in 2016 and really very few QB s have winning record against winning teams.

I really don't care that much if Dak gets 30 million or 40 million or gets franchised again next year. I just laugh at the goal post moving and watching the haters squirm.

It's been sacks
It's been passing yards per game
It's been accuracy
It's been Dak and dunk

It changes with the wind. Now we can put the "can't play against the good teams" to rest too. All of them end up getting debunked. Some are just wayyyyy behind the curve
 
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