50 Execs, Coaches, Players rank the best RB's

[QuincyCarterEra]

Those stats are good and all. But you left out his most important stat. Negative runs that kill drives.

That's only the most important stat because it fits your narrative, the most important stat is breaking long runs for TDs and putting points on the board.

 

[quickccc]

Saquon number 1? What has he done but led the Giants to two top six 6 picks, get coach fired, and been injured. He is a home run threat I give you that but he rarely grinds anything out. Henry, Zeke, and CMC have done much more in the same period of time he has been in the league.

i don't think you don't use backs with that kind of skill set to grind and run it out. For instance, Thurman thomas, marshall faulk, barry sanders, those are thoroughbreds than driven to more splash than grinding out the clock.

(edit) That being said, ..remember who the new OC is with NYG.
the same way i really believe he tried to make zeke more of a grind out pounding emmit smith runner, i'm willing to bet he will do the same sense with Saquon Barkley.. pound and grind.

and it wasn't Barkleys' fault for only giving him 11 mere carries when he was breaking our backs early with big splash runs before a dumb coach
decided to put the ball in Eli's hand vs barkley... that's one of the dumb things he did to eventually get himself fired.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This wasn't about being judged, it was about "not accomplishing anything" which if Barkley hasn't then almost no NFL player had after their first two seasons.
Saying he or Dak hadn't accomplished anything after their first two seasons is equally silly.

Ok but the point is the same. If you have one good year and one bad what have you proved? One good year is just that. One good year.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's only the most important stat because it fits your narrative, the most important stat is breaking long runs for TDs and putting points on the board.

Not necessarily....Barkley broke touchdowns for long yards and it resulted in no wins. I need someone who can punish the defense and keep my defense off the field. The breakaway touchdowns are great...but you get how many of those a game? One? Two?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I can pick out bad games for Mahomes if I am cherry picking.

They did. They ran for 130 yards.

130 Yards is a good average but when your quarterback is struggling I expect more production.......Zeke can get 130 yards with Dak throwing for 300.

And what does Mahomes have to do with anything? You asked me would they have won with Dak.....I told you if they would've had Dolphins Dak they would've....it didn't require you to throw Mahomes under the bus or even defend Dak.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Close enough...…...and before that?

The point is that clearly the run game wasn't the issue in the SB. And since the RB for the Niners kicked @$$ at the end of the season and the playoffs saying Zeke would do all that is a deep long shot.

Running game was a issue. 130 yards clearly wasn't enough.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Ok but the point is the same. If you have one good year and one bad what have you proved? One good year is just that. One good year.

Again, "hasn't accomplished anything".

But if you want to go that route we can translate it to Zeke. One good season(rookie season) followed by one bad season, and two blah seasons. Only difference is Zeke's wasn't due to injury.

If you want to write off Barkley after one injury riddled season, after putting up a season that Zeke never hit and never will hit then go ahead. I'm not going to make that mistake. 2028 yards, 15 TDs, no fumbles with great efficiency behind a bad OL.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Ok but the point is the same. If you have one good year and one bad what have you proved? One good year is just that. One good year.

But let's examine something.

Barkley had 111 yards per game and .615 TDs per game in his "bad year" you just claimed. Zeke has only hit those standards twice in his four seasons, Zeke has only hit Barkley's "bad year" twice out of four years. What does that make Zeke if he's been worse than Barkley's bad for half of his career?

 

[jazzcat22]

The Zeke slobberers are just faster I guess.

Not faster, but better.

 

[quickccc]

Not necessarily....Barkley broke touchdowns for long yards ....and it resulted in no wins.

I need someone who can punish the defense and keep my defense off the field. The breakaway touchdowns are great...but you get how many of those a game? One? Two?

Ah ... C'mon man .... " Leon Can't do Every Thang !" ...

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Not faster, but better.

Definitely faster, look at the beginning of the thread, and they are getting massacred in here.

 

[alicetooljam]

Based on production and grit Mccaffrey should be #1 and it's not close really.

Agreed, the question becomes, can he hold up to the usage/wear&tear of being the sole weapon by the time they build that team up.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Agreed, the question becomes, can he hold up to the usage/wear&tear.

No reason to think otherwise between his NFL and college careers.

 

[baltcowboy]

i don't think you don't use backs with that kind of skill set to grind and run it out. For instance, Thurman thomas, marshall faulk, barry sanders, those are thoroughbreds than driven to more splash than grinding out the clock.

(edit) That being said, ..remember who the new OC is with NYG.
the same way i really believe he tried to make zeke more of a grind out pounding emmit smith runner, i'm willing to bet he will do the same sense with Saquon Barkley.. pound and grind.

and it wasn't Barkleys' fault for only giving him 11 mere carries when he was breaking our backs early with big splash runs before a dumb coach
decided to put the ball in Eli's hand vs barkley... that's one of the dumb things he did to eventually get himself fired.

You think Barkley can be a bell cow back? Garrett might run him into the ground like he did with Murray in 2014.

 

[buybuydandavis]

No one denies that but it doesn't explain how you rank him 11th because of those things.....unless I'm suppose to believe 10 guys have all of those things and more.

I don't rank Zeke 11th. That's too low. But he's just not that guy from his rookie year, and I doubt he will ever be that guy again.

Morris had significantly better ypc in 2017, Pollard in 2019.
Rod Smith was the only other back with significant carries in 2018, and he was a special teamer who couldn't merit a single carry with TEN or OAK last year.

I'm not pretending that Morris or Pollard are better than Zeke. Their ypc is not an apples to apples comparison, because surely teams didn't try to defend against them as they defended against Zeke. But Zeke's production can be replaced. With an NFL offseason of training, Pollard will probably look a lot more competitive with Zeke as a RB. He's ok now, and could be a legitimate quality starter with a little more power and explosion.

Zeke just isn't that special anymore, and certainly not at the price. I'd say his contract is already bad value, and that's unlikely to improve as he gets older.

 

[buybuydandavis]

You think Barkley can be a bell cow back? Garrett might run him into the ground like he did with Murray in 2014.

Guaranteed that Garrett will bell cow Barkley into the ground. It's who he is. Garrett gonna Garrett.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'd personally flip Saquon and Henry.....but who in the hell had Zeke at 11th?

@aria I know it was you! You didn't tell me you were a coach player or exec....

The ages are crazy...Zeke has been in the league 4 years and he's just as young as them.

there are 10 better RBs in the NFL than zeke? or even 8? list them please

 

[Whirlwin]

I'd personally flip Saquon and Henry.....but who in the hell had Zeke at 11th?

@aria I know it was you! You didn't tell me you were a coach player or exec....

The ages are crazy...Zeke has been in the league 4 years and he's just as young as them.

This is exactly how I do it

@aria would have had him
Lower than 11.

That’s because he’s including personality. I have him at three

 

[Whirlwin]

Guaranteed that Garrett will bell cow Barkley into the ground. It's who he is. Garrett gonna Garrett.

Watch Jason bring them to the playoff the first season. Doesn’t have Jerry to worry about . I don’t think so but wouldn’t that be something

 

[blueblood70]

I probably would as well. I'm a little shocked to see Kamara did as well as he did last year. Watching him play he did not look as good as he did previously and Chubb did look better as well. I think Chubb and Dalvin Cook have arguments over Kamara.

agreed..