50 Execs, Coaches, Players rank the best RB's

[QuincyCarterEra]

I'm on the Zeke side of this argument but you gotta watch Khiladi man.......first thing I noticed was it said 2018 lol. And that's from October 2018 at that lol.

It was like @shabazz trying to use a player voted list from 2018 in another thread.
I'm telling you, the Dak haters are embarrassing themselves today.

 

[aria]

And this is my argument for Zeke....Zeke has been in the league since 2016. Yet he's still tops in rushing. He's shown at least through 4 years he can maintain his level of play. None of the other guys have even been in the league long enough to say that.

His level of play has actually dropped in most categories. Yards per game down, broken tackles, yards after contact...almost everything I’ve already brought up. But you are right, no one else has been in the league long enough to say that (Gore and Peterson have) or their coaches haven’t given them the ball enough which isn’t their fault.

 

[JohnsKey19]

If we're basing this on physical talent, Barkley will likely always be #1. But we have to consider recent production and on field performance. Not that Barkley has been poor by any stretch...great player but I can't rank him #1 going into 2020. I'd give that to McCaffrey. Kamara is not top 5. Dalvin Cook and Nick Chubb are in the conversation for top 5. So CMac #1.....Barkley, Cook, Zeke, Henry and Chubb in whatever order...

 

[khiladi]

Lol notice how this was from October of 2018.

Most total yards after contact while leading the league in rushing attempts by a landslide. NO WAY SO IMPRESSIVE!?!?!? Lmao

In Barkley’s best year, 56.3% of his rushing yards came after contact. Elliott average last year was 58.5 percent. And Barkley is a home run hitter who racks up negative yardage regularly. Gurley, who was number 2 in 2018, it was 50% of his rushing yards came after contact. And both Barkley and Gurley operate in lots of space.

None of you guys brought anything of value to the table. We all know it’s that Dak narrative fueling you. We’ve already seen Dak without Elliott and Cooper.

Like I said:

Zeke-Haters love to make up numbers. It’s usually influenced by their Dak love and the narrative he carries the team. BTW, 2018 numbers were pre-Cooper, so you can imagine how impressive the numbers are with Dak chucking ducks. And 2017 was six suspension Zeke and Dak, 6-0 against Eagle scrubs.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

In Barkley’s best year, 56.3% of his rushing yards came after contact. Elliott average last year was 58.5 percent. And Barkley is a home run hitter who racks up negative yardage regularly. Gurley, who was number 2 in 2018, it was 50% of his rushing yards came after contact. And both Barkley and Gurley are lots of space.

None of you guys brought anything of value to the table. We all know it’s that Dak narrative fueling you. We’ve already seen Dak without Elliott and Cooper.

Like I said:

Take your L.

Hey remind me, is having the 11st most broken tackles with the 2nd most touches good? Come on little buddy you got this.

We brought plenty, you brought stupidity like what was mentioned above lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They create much more for themselves than Zeke does for himself, Zeke relies on volume and surrounding talent more than the others that I listed.

Hold on now....you saying Kamara, Henry and Chubb create for themselves? I'll give you McCaffery and Barkley. Henry has arguably the best offensive line in the eague........Kamara has a stacked team with Sean Payton as coach....Chubb's team is STACKED too. Yeah, they suck but they got firepower on offense.

 

[aria]

The fivethirtyeight article is very enlightening.

People want to claim he's a chain mover, and we couldnt do that without him. Yet he was 22nd in the league at doing that exact thing he is supposed to be good at. Did he get better last season? I think so. 2019 Zeke was the 2nd best Zeke we have seen.

"It sounds strange, but commanding bad rushing volume is really the only aspect of Elliott's game that is truly elite." That's literally what we've been arguing forever now, and it's true.

And really rushing volume is more dependent on the play calling than the RB. There are several RB’s in the league that could handle the load but aren’t given the chance. The same guy so many people despise, Garrett, is ironically the same guy responsible for zeke getting the rushing titles.

It would be very interesting to see what zeke’s supporters would say if he fell a couple hundred yards short if the rushing title next year because he didn’t get as many carries but still looked good when he did. Will they suddenly say he’s not as good as all the RB’s who have more yards even thought he didn’t get as many carries because that’s all they have to claim he’s the best right now and that’s their main argument why other RB’s aren’t as good.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It was like @shabazz trying to use a player voted list from 2018 in another thread.
I'm telling you, the Dak haters are embarrassing themselves today.

I don't know if they think people too stupid to know their game or what be going on with them.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That's fine you feel that way. But when Zeke has been on the field we have at least fought for the NFC East. They surely didn't do it in 2015 and surely couldn't do it in 2018....

I think if you are going to have one RB and give him 90% of the carries, then Zeke is your guy. Because he can obviously handle it and he is tough. But I think you lose that big play ability with him.

Personally, I would like a more diverse RB by committee like how SF does it. 3 guys that have different skills with more home run ability. Using 3rd and 4th round picks to keep backs coming through the system. You could do this and spend under 10 M per year on the position total. All your eggs aren't in one guy. It solves the issue for suspension, injury, and diversity of skills. And it gives you the ability to trade guys that do really well here that want big money.

That is the system I would employ here. I would spend the money on the Olne, not the back. Low spending of draft capital and low spending of salary capital with the ability to trade RB's that come through the system.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The guy has a point

"Very few breakout runs, doesn't look as strong anymore. Feels like he's about 60 to 70 percent of what he was."

Sounds about right. Not the same burst. Doesn't try to take the edge. Doesn't have the same juice, and plays accordingly.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And really rushing volume is more dependent on the play calling than the RB. There are several RB’s in the league that could handle the load but aren’t given the chance. The same guy so many people despise, Garrett, is ironically the same guy responsible for zeke getting the rushing titles.

It would be very interesting to see what zeke’s supporters would say if he fell a couple hundred yards short if the rushing title next year because he didn’t get as many carries but still looked good when he did. Will they suddenly say he’s not as good as all the RB’s who have more yards even thought he didn’t get as many carries because that’s all they have to claim he’s the best right now and that’s their main argument why other RB’s aren’t as good.

Zeke should've had more yards last year and that's with Dak throwing for 5k yards. If the coaching staff had brains he would've had more yards than he had.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think if you are going to have one RB and give him 90% of the carries, then Zeke is your guy. Because he can obviously handle it and he is tough. But I think you lose that big play ability with him.

Personally, I would like a more diverse RB by committee like how SF does it. 3 guys that have different skills with more home run ability. Using 3rd and 4th round picks to keep backs coming through the system. You could do this and spend under 10 M per year on the position total. All your eggs aren't in one guy. It solves the issue for suspension, injury, and diversity of skills. And it gives you the ability to trade guys that do really well here that want big money.

That is the system I would employ here. I would spend the money on the Olne, not the back. Low spending of draft capital and low spending of salary capital with the ability to trade RB's that come through the system.

If 49ers had Zeke they might've actually won the Super Bowl last year.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

"Very few breakout runs, doesn't look as strong anymore. Feels like he's about 60 to 70 percent of what he was."

Sounds about right. Not the same burst. Doesn't try to take the edge. Doesn't have the same juice, and plays accordingly.

No one denies that but it doesn't explain how you rank him 11th because of those things.....unless I'm suppose to believe 10 guys have all of those things and more.

 

[Hardline]

Seriously what has Barkley really done in the league ? The dude loses yards as often as he gains them.

I read somewhere before him being drafted had a 21% runs for losses at Penn State.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Again, speaking of zeke as a player, have I ever called him a bum? I’m also waiting for your quote of me saying zeke and henry would suck behind other O lines.

Find me the quote where I said you said any of the above? You are trying to get off track. What I said was have you ever seen a bum lead the league in rushing? You're getting stuck up on winning a debate as opposed to reading what I'm saying. My point was you don't just luck up and lead the league in rushing. Rushing yards is a much better gauge of how good someone is then YPC is my point.

 

[aria]

Zeke should've had more yards last year and that's with Dak throwing for 5k yards. If the coaching staff had brains he would've had more yards than he had.

Exactly and you could say that about most RB’s which is why it’s more about the play calling than the RB when taking into consideration the top 15-20 backs in the league.

 

[khiladi]

And BTW, Rotowire has Zeke ties with McCaffery last year in broken tackles with 44 and has Zeke stuffed the least at 34, while being second in carries.

https://www.rotowire.com/football/player-stats.php?type=advanced&view=rushing

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Exactly and you could say that about most RB’s which is why it’s more about the play calling than the RB when taking into consideration the top 15-20 backs in the league.

That's my point though. You can say that about everyone. Henry can say he should've had more yards if they had benched Mariotta sooner. You can do hypotheticals with all these guys including Zeke.

 

[khiladi]

Take your L.

Hey remind me, is having the 11st most broken tackles with the 2nd most touches good? Come on little buddy you got this.

We brought plenty, you brought stupidity like what was mentioned above lol.

Is being a leader of the league in passing yardage but having a TD percentage of less, than Daniel Jones, who was number 11, good?

 

[CowboyRoy]

If 49ers had Zeke they might've actually won the Super Bowl last year.

Nonsense buddy. I don't think you recall what Mostert did last year at the end of the season and in the playoffs. He actually blew away Zeke's production. And this was at the end of the year and in the playoffs when it mattered most.

Take a look at these numbers:

In three playoff games, he rushed for 336 yards with five touchdowns. He set a 49ers franchise record with 220 rushing yards and 4 TD's in his team's 37-20 NFC championship game victory over the Green Bay Packers.

He led the NFL with 12 rushing touchdowns from Week 12 through the end of the 2019 postseason. His 760 rushing yards over that span were the second most in the league, trailing only the Tennessee Titans' Derrick Henry, who had 1,154.

Mostert was actually the 3rd RB on the depth chart and didn't get a lot of carries in the first half of the season. This is the advantage that a RB by committee presents. Fresh guys for the 2nd half of the season and playoffs.