In 8 days 3 hours from this post, the Dak contract window ends!

[FVSTONE]

Stay the course JJ, DON'T BLINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[blueblood70]

3 work days to go...

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

Agreed. If Dak isn’t signed by the deadline , his future as a Cowboy isn’t likely.

Sounds good to me

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

3 work days to go...

Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock

 

[Corso]

Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock

That would have more effect if you post this on the 15th at 10 PM.

 

[mcmvp]

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

That would have more effect if you post this on the 15th at 10 PM.

Your probably right but i couldn't resist!

 

[erod]

You've read his contract? Dak has all the control if HE wants it, if he doesn't like what they are doing he can always fire them, find another agent or agency and get a deal done. He obviously must endorse what they are doing or he would already have a deal

That's not the way CAA works. You sign a deal with the devil because is how far reaching their influence is.

Hence, all his commercial opportunities.

 

[zeke21]

I'm not a Dak fan.. but he is worth 28-30M a season. That is pretty much where he sits.. an above average QB with flaws but also some strengths. He is a competent passer and can manage the offence.

So him playing on a 31M tag.. I can live with. I have said all along it is probably ideal. We see him for 1 year under MM.. see whether the improvement comes.. see if he can break the 8-8 shackles..

I hope Jerry doesn't blink... I really hope he doesn't. I think we will know more about Dak in 8 months time. If he fails to get the job done under MM.. or we fail to make playoffs (and make a decent run) again.. then you have saved yourself some money.. if Dak takes us to the top and improves.. then you pay him the big dollars he wants and we happily go on our way.

 

[CowboysFanSince88]

I'm not a Dak fan.. but he is worth 28-30M a season. That is pretty much where he sits.. an above average QB with flaws but also some strengths. He is a competent passer and can manage the offence.

So him playing on a 31M tag.. I can live with. I have said all along it is probably ideal. We see him for 1 year under MM.. see whether the improvement comes.. see if he can break the 8-8 shackles..

I hope Jerry doesn't blink... I really hope he doesn't. I think we will know more about Dak in 8 months time. If he fails to get the job done under MM.. or we fail to make playoffs (and make a decent run) again.. then you have saved yourself some money.. if Dak takes us to the top and improves.. then you pay him the big dollars he wants and we happily go on our way.

Yes since he has played well one season and then falls off the next. Can this team make the playoffs 2 seasons in a row with Dak as QB?

 

[Aviano90]

My opinion would be the opposite. If they go 8-8 or 9-7 then there is absolutely no reason to tag him again. Dalton can go 8-8, Dallas doesn't need to pay a QB 38 million on a second tag for that.

The benefit of Dalton is he can go 2-11 and get us good draft position. If that bum has to take the field that is what I will expect.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

The benefit of Dalton is he can go 2-11 and get us good draft position. If that bum has to take the field that is what I will expect.

Dalton can do at least much with this offense as Dak can for 28m less...of course Dalton did win 50 of his first 76 starts in the NFL (with a half decent team around him) so if thats what you consider a bum what is Dak to you? just curious cause Dak would need to win 10 of his 1st 12 games this season to keep pace with what Dalton did in his first 76 starts

P.s Dalton got hurt in the 1st series of game 13 in his 5th season....was 10-2 at the time

 

[Aviano90]

Dalton can do at least much with this offense as Dak can for 28m less...of course Dalton did win 50 of his first 76 starts in the NFL (with a half decent team around him) so if thats what you consider a bum what is Dak to you? just curious cause Dak would need to win 10 of his 1st 12 games this season to keep pace with what Dalton did in his first 76 starts

P.s Dalton got hurt in the 1st series of game 13 in his 5th season....was 10-2 at the time

Dalton is a bum. Can’t believe you go to bat for him but refuse to for Dak. Wonder why?

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Dalton is a bum. Can’t believe you go to bat for him but refuse to for Dak. Wonder why?

I didn't diss Dak i just want to know how you come to your conclusions based on the info i gave to you? Do you think the Bengals teams of Dalton's first 5 seasons were any better than what Dak has had his 1st 4? Do you think his coach was better (p.s. he wasn't) What do you base your criteria on? If Dalton won 50 of his 1st 76 games with that Bengals team (657 win percentage) you must think Dak would have won 60 of those 76 games? Go ahead and defend your position calling Dalton a bum i want to hear it. You talk a big game all the time with your half witted sarcastic posts, i want to hear you explain how a guy who won 50 of his 1st 76 games is a bum in the NFL but our guy isn't. I'll wait

 

[Aviano90]

I didn't diss Dak i just want to know how you come to your conclusions based on the info i gave to you? Do you think the Bengals teams of Dalton's first 5 seasons were any better than what Dak has had his 1st 4? Do you think his coach was better (p.s. he wasn't) What do you base your criteria on? If Dalton won 50 of his 1st 76 games with that Bengals team (657 win percentage) you must think Dak would have won 60 of those 76 games? Go ahead and defend your position calling Dalton a bum i want to hear it. You talk a big game all the time with your half witted sarcastic posts, i want to hear you explain how a guy who won 50 of his 1st 76 games is a bum in the NFL but our guy isn't. I'll wait

You don’t have to wait. I’ll respond pretty quickly. Yes, those Bengals teams were better. The defense especially. Dalton was a weak link. He had one year with a rating over 90? You talk about his start with a great defense and much better coaching but you act as if the Bengals haven’t fallen off a cliff the past 3-4 seasons. Maybe you would have a point if Dak had fallen off the same cliff, but he hasn’t. You can’t ignore the recent history and only concentrate on the beginning to cherry pick your point.

So, I will ask again, why do you feel the need to go to bat for Dalton but have refused to do so for Dak? And please spare me the contract BS. You have been a sour puss on Dak when he was making $465k per year so that can’t be the reason.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

You don’t have to wait. I’ll respond pretty quickly. Yes, those Bengals teams were better. The defense especially. Dalton was a weak link. He had one year with a rating over 90? You talk about his start with a great defense and much better coaching but you act as if the Bengals haven’t fallen off a cliff the past 3-4 seasons. Maybe you would have a point if Dak had fallen off the same cliff, but he hasn’t. You can’t ignore the recent history and only concentrate on the beginning to cherry pick your point.

So, I will ask again, why do you feel the need to go to bat for Dalton but have refused to do so for Dak? And please spare me the contract BS. You have been a sour puss on Dak when he was making $465k per year so that can’t be the reason.

Defensive rankings for the the Bengals in Daltons 1st 5 years

2011-7th
2012-6th
2013-3rd
2014-22nd
2015-22nd.....Dalton was 10-2 with this team when he got hurt the 1st series of week 13

Defenbsive Rankings for the Cowboys in Dak's 1st 4 seasons

2016-14th
2017-8th
2018-7th
2019-9th...(9th in total yards given up, 10th in passing yards , 10 in rushing yards given up and 11th in points per game given up)
2020-...to be determined

Not alot to choose from there buddy infact it's kinda a reach to say it was his D. The Cowboys under Dak in 2019 are the only team in NFL history i believe (if i'm wrong someone correct me) to miss the playoffs with the #1 ranked offense in the league and a top 10 defense ranking

As for the rest of your post i am not going to bat for Dalton over Dak (although i do think Dalton is a better passer than Dak) but basically both are average QB's who can have some great games once and awhile. I have stated many times that i think Dalton will get a shot this year to start if Dak is playing on the tag and has a bad run of games because they Cowboys will have no committment to Dak beyond this season so they will kick the tires on Dalton if it that happens. I have stated for 4 years that i think Dak is a good guy with a good head on his shoulders but that i think he is a very average QB in most areas (except for his running ability but he or the team doesn't want him to use that). Never called Dak a bum and never will.

P.S. your defensive comparison was weak at best but if you want to compare the running games that Dalton and Dak each had to start their careers you will see a huge advantage for the Cowboys in that area. I'll still wait

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netYardsPerGame/dir/asc

 

[Aviano90]

Defensive rankings for the the Bengals in Daltons 1st 5 years

2011-7th
2012-6th
2013-3rd
2014-22nd
2015-22nd.....Dalton was 10-2 with this team when he got hurt the 1st series of week 13

Defenbsive Rankings for the Cowboys in Dak's 1st 4 seasons

2016-14th
2017-8th
2018-7th
2019-9th...(9th in total yards given up, 10th in passing yards , 10 in rushing yards given up and 11th in points per game given up)
2020-...to be determined

Not alot to choose from there buddy infact it's kinda a reach to say it was his D. The Cowboys under Dak in 2019 are the only team in NFL history i believe (if i'm wrong someone correct me) to miss the playoffs with the #1 ranked offense in the league and a top 10 defense ranking

As for the rest of your post i am not going to bat for Dalton over Dak (although i do think Dalton is a better passer than Dak) but basically both are average QB's who can have some great games once and awhile. I have stated many times that i think Dalton will get a shot this year to start if Dak is playing on the tag and has a bad run of games because they Cowboys will have no committment to Dak beyond this season so they will kick the tires on Dalton if it that happens. I have stated for 4 years that i think Dak is a good guy with a good head on his shoulders but that i think he is a very average QB in most areas (except for his running ability but he or the team doesn't want him to use that). Never called Dak a bum and never will.

P.S. your defensive comparison was weak at best but if you want to compare the running games that Dalton and Dak each had to start their careers you will see a huge advantage for the Cowboys in that area. I'll still wait

The Dallas defense has been smoke and mirrors concealed with trying to limit their time on the field. The Bengals defense was a legit defense that had the ability to protect themselves and not need a ball
Control offense to keep them on the sidelines. Tomorrow I will do a deeper dive and compare things like take aways, 3 and outs, QB pressure, etc. The Cowboys defense has been a fraud doing nothing good except hopefully having our offense keep them off the field.

I am still waiting as to why you feel the need to go to bat for Dalton but haven’t done so for Dak. Why do you avoid this question? This year Dalton will make at minimum 75% of what Dak has made for his first 4 years total but I’ve never seen you go to bat for him while being one of the best values in the entire league, if not the best. Why is that?

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

The Dallas defense has been smoke and mirrors concealed with trying to limit their time on the field. The Bengals defense was a legit defense that had the ability to protect themselves and not need a ball
Control offense to keep them on the sidelines. Tomorrow I will do a deeper dive and compare things like take aways, 3 and outs, QB pressure, etc. The Cowboys defense has been a fraud doing nothing good except hopefully having our offense keep them off the field.

I am still waiting as to why you feel the need to go to bat for Dalton but haven’t done so for Dak. Why do you avoid this question? This year Dalton will make at minimum 75% of what Dak has made for his first 4 years total but I’ve never seen you go to bat for him while being one of the best values in the entire league, if not the best. Why is that?

I guess defensive ranking don't mean anything, you believe them when it suits you and when they don't they are irrelevent. LOL! AS for the bolded part i will quote my own post

"As for the rest of your post i am not going to bat for Dalton over Dak (although i do think Dalton is a better passer than Dak) but basically both are average QB's who can have some great games once and awhile. I have stated many times that i think Dalton will get a shot this year to start if Dak is playing on the tag and has a bad run of games because they Cowboys will have no committment to Dak beyond this season so they will kick the tires on Dalton if it that happens. I have stated for 4 years that i think Dak is a good guy with a good head on his shoulders but that i think he is a very average QB in most areas (except for his running ability but he or the team doesn't want him to use that). Never called Dak a bum and never will."

For most that statement is self explanatory but if you are still confused let me know and i will walk you thru it word by word. Ok? run and hide from this because only a fool would call a QB who won 50 of his 1st 76 games a bum. You can't defend it i don't know why you want to try, other than the fact you one of those guys who hates to admit he was wrong. Dalton may be average he is nowhere near a bum, but you keep trying to tell everyone he is

P.S. if the Dallas D was smoke and mirrors what would you call the Cowboys offense last year that found so may ways to dissappear in so many games? Especially the big games

 

[Aviano90]

I guess defensive ranking don't mean anything, you believe them when it suits you and when they don't they are irrelevent. LOL! AS for the bolded part i will quote my own post

"As for the rest of your post i am not going to bat for Dalton over Dak (although i do think Dalton is a better passer than Dak) but basically both are average QB's who can have some great games once and awhile. I have stated many times that i think Dalton will get a shot this year to start if Dak is playing on the tag and has a bad run of games because they Cowboys will have no committment to Dak beyond this season so they will kick the tires on Dalton if it that happens. I have stated for 4 years that i think Dak is a good guy with a good head on his shoulders but that i think he is a very average QB in most areas (except for his running ability but he or the team doesn't want him to use that). Never called Dak a bum and never will."

For most that statement is self explanatory but if you are still confused let me know and i will walk you thru it word by word. Ok? run and hide from this because only a fool would call a QB who won 50 of his 1st 76 games a bum. You can't defend it i don't know why you want to try, other than the fact you one of those guys who hates to admit he was wrong. Dalton may be average he is nowhere near a bum, but you keep trying to tell everyone he is

You can’t even admit you go to bat for Dalton and not Dak. Hell it bugs you so much you made a “Dak excuse” thread because you hate Dak so much but you’ve been trying to sell people on Dalton since he has been signed.

As for Dalton being a bum. Could it perhaps be he isn’t the same QB he was in his first few years? He is not a good QB but he isn’t Dak and as long as he isn’t Dak that must be OK with you right?

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

You can’t even admit you go to bat for Dalton and not Dak. Hell it bugs you so much you made a “Dak excuse” thread because you hate Dak so much but you’ve been trying to sell people on Dalton.

As for Dalton being a bum. Could it perhaps be he isn’t the same QB he was in his first few years? He is not a good QB but he isn’t Dak and as long as he isn’t Dak that must be OK with you right?

Do you need me to explain my quote? what part don't you understand, i root for Dak and the Cowboys to win every game doesn't mean i like him as our QB. IMO he is a very average QB. Don't know what else i can tell you. As i said earlier, i think Dalton is as good a QB as Dak not better not worse, but 28m cheaper that is my opinion, and he is definately not a bum and i have never called Dak a bum either. So take your condesending BS (which you always go to when confronted with the crap you post, you done it for years) and try play your little game with somebody else. Like i said my quote is pretty self explanatory most people with some intelligence will understand it and understand my position