Owner's pay the players 6 billion per year

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So they are not that greedy.
32 teams each with 200 mil cap this year, so 32x200 mil is 6.4 billion dollars!
I knocked off the 400 mill for unused cap.

On top of that consider team uniforms, jocks socks training equipment, training facility and maintenance of that.
Travel expenses every time team goes somewhere meals [some of these guys cant eat!]
Stadium maintenance , the electric and water bills for home games Stadium lights have to use a lot of juice,
and 90,000 people using RR use a lot of water.

Owners have a lot of expenses that people rarely think about.

Now Jake posted that the coming season tv rights will generate over 5 billion, which is great,
but that doesnt even cover the cap of 6.4 billion. So owners dont profit on that at all. That just helps
pay the players.

So the owners make most of their profit from home games, 90,000 seats on avg , and the concessions
they get too.
those of u who actually have gone to games recently could figure up and post what you think
they pull in per game
I just guessed at $50 per person , and x 90,000 = 4.5 mil per game,x 8 =36 mil per year
then add the sponsor money,= 50 mil per year?
That is a lot, but doesnt seem like much considering all the billions thrown around.

I think the teams worth, has to include the value of the stadium itself and practice facility and other things.

So this is why the owners really need to have fans at the games, because that is their main source
of income that can be profit.
This is also why they want another home game every year or two years,[with 17 games]
 

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Fifty dollars per person? What is this, 1972? That's parking! I spent more going to a replacement game back in 1987.

Anyway, I get your point. But looking at your stats, what if there was no cap? How do other sports do it without a cap or a soft cap? Is it the amount of games that actually puts them over the top?
 

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I hope mods will let this stay in fan zone for 24 hours.

So they are not that greedy.
32 teams each with 200 mil cap this year, so 32x200 mil is 6.4 billion dollars!
I knocked off the 400 mill for unused cap.

On top of that consider team uniforms, jocks socks training equipment, training facility and maintenance of that.
Travel expenses every time team goes somewhere meals [some of these guys cant eat!]
Stadium maintenance , the electric and water bills for home games Stadium lights have to use a lot of juice,
and 90,000 people using RR use a lot of water.

Owners have a lot of expenses that people rarely think about.

Now Jake posted that the coming season tv rights will generate over 5 billion, which is great,
but that doesnt even cover the cap of 6.4 billion. So owners dont profit on that at all. That just helps
pay the players.

So the owners make most of their profit from home games, 90,000 seats on avg , and the concessions
they get too.
those of u who actually have gone to games recently could figure up and post what you think
they pull in per game
I just guessed at $50 per person , and x 90,000 = 4.5 mil per game,x 8 =36 mil per year
then add the sponsor money,= 50 mil per year?
That is a lot, but doesnt seem like much considering all the billions thrown around.

I think the teams worth, has to include the value of the stadium itself and practice facility and other things.

So this is why the owners really need to have fans at the games, because that is their main source
of income that can be profit.
This is also why they want another home game every year or two years,[with 17 games]

Considering that the cap is calculated as a percentage of revenue (I believe it is 47% right now but might be 47.5% next seasons) you can know exactly how much revenue the NFL made last season. Running the rough math on that you get a number the net NFL revenue was 13.495 billion dollars. Now you have to subtract from that the salary cap and front office/coaches salaries and the like, but generally owners make about 100-200 million per year depending on the team.
 

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Considering that the cap is calculated as a percentage of revenue (I believe it is 47% right now but might be 47.5% next seasons) you can know exactly how much revenue the NFL made last season. Running the rough math on that you get a number the net NFL revenue was 13.495 billion dollars. Now you have to subtract from that the salary cap and front office/coaches salaries and the like, but generally owners make about 100-200 million per year depending on the team.
that sounds about right, around 200 mil.
Would you agree then that if no fans, but they had the games they would then go into the hole? and about how much ?
 

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Anyone who worships money is greedy.
Well you would have to define worships in relation to that.
Also there are many forms of greed, and different levels.
I think these billionaires, they like stacking money and the making of it , more than just having it.
 

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Fifty dollars per person? What is this, 1972? That's parking! I spent more going to a replacement game back in 1987.

Anyway, I get your point. But looking at your stats, what if there was no cap? How do other sports do it without a cap or a soft cap? Is it the amount of games that actually puts them over the top?
yeah I was way too low lol.
Well you dont have to have a cap, but it does even the playing field competitively.
The nfl owners agreed to share revenue, and other sports owners probably dont want to share, as the more profitable teams would then make less
per year.
 

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Well you would have to define worships in relation to that.
Also there are many forms of greed, and different levels.
I think these billionaires, they like stacking money and the making of it , more than just having it.

Thanxs. Sorry if I come across to harsh in my postings. Take my posts with alot of playful sarcasm. We argue, but it's all for fun.
 

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I hope mods will let this stay in fan zone for 24 hours.

So they are not that greedy.
32 teams each with 200 mil cap this year, so 32x200 mil is 6.4 billion dollars!
I knocked off the 400 mill for unused cap.

On top of that consider team uniforms, jocks socks training equipment, training facility and maintenance of that.
Travel expenses every time team goes somewhere meals [some of these guys cant eat!]
Stadium maintenance , the electric and water bills for home games Stadium lights have to use a lot of juice,
and 90,000 people using RR use a lot of water.

Owners have a lot of expenses that people rarely think about.

Now Jake posted that the coming season tv rights will generate over 5 billion, which is great,
but that doesnt even cover the cap of 6.4 billion. So owners dont profit on that at all. That just helps
pay the players.

So the owners make most of their profit from home games, 90,000 seats on avg , and the concessions
they get too.
those of u who actually have gone to games recently could figure up and post what you think
they pull in per game
I just guessed at $50 per person , and x 90,000 = 4.5 mil per game,x 8 =36 mil per year
then add the sponsor money,= 50 mil per year?
That is a lot, but doesnt seem like much considering all the billions thrown around.

I think the teams worth, has to include the value of the stadium itself and practice facility and other things.

So this is why the owners really need to have fans at the games, because that is their main source
of income that can be profit.
This is also why they want another home game every year or two years,[with 17 games]
The players only share in the TV revenue and ticket sales. Owners get 52%. Players 48%.

Stadium sponsorship, parking, concessions , merchandise , etc is all for the owners.
 
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that sounds about right, around 200 mil.
Would you agree then that if no fans, but they had the games they would then go into the hole? and about how much ?

The players are going to get 48% of revenue next year and the cap is estimated to drop in the worst case by 70 million barring any changes made to the structure (they almost certainly will change it but it lets us do math). To make it even lets assume it drops to 120 million (68.2 million drop).

With that number we know that we are looking at league revenue being about 8 billion or a drop of about 5.5 billion dollars with 4.16 billion going to non player sources compared to about 7.15 last year. Now with 48% of this going to the players rather than I believe the 47% that it is this year I had to adjust the numbers a tad.

To shorten the math it would mean a loss of 93.4375 million dollars per team compared to last year. It suddenly means that a lot of owners are either breaking even or maybe losing a little which is why they want the players to take a paycut.

Edit: I forgot that the % the players get goes up to 48% next year so I am adjusting the numbers I gave based on that and will fix in a sec
 
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yeah I was way too low lol.
Well you dont have to have a cap, but it does even the playing field competitively.
The nfl owners agreed to share revenue, and other sports owners probably dont want to share, as the more profitable teams would then make less
per year.
The benchmark in the NFL’s success is their Equal TV Revenue Sharing. It’s enabled teams in small markets to be on equal ground competing financially with larger markets.
 

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Considering that the cap is calculated as a percentage of revenue (I believe it is 47% right now but might be 47.5% next seasons) you can know exactly how much revenue the NFL made last season. Running the rough math on that you get a number the net NFL revenue was 13.495 billion dollars. Now you have to subtract from that the salary cap and front office/coaches salaries and the like, but generally owners make about 100-200 million per year depending on the team.
Exactly. It's a percentage of revenue, thereby guaranteeing a profit to everyone.

The attempts around here to prove that Prescott will never get his money, and regret being greedy, and be run out of town out of cap necessity are getting quite creative.
 

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Well you would have to define worships in relation to that.
Also there are many forms of greed, and different levels.
I think these billionaires, they like stacking money and the making of it , more than just having it.
This has evolved over time in the NFL. This era most of the owners were billionaires before buying a NFL team. Jerry is one of the exceptions this era.

Years ago wealthy men in the communities bought a team not necessarily for profit but for the enjoyment and competitive nature providing for their fellow citizens. There really want much money or profits in owning a franchise. The value developed over time as the franchise itself gained more value.

Most teams didn’t own their stadium. Rented out facilities and headquarters , basically a seasonal entity. TV rights changed the scope of NFL.
 

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I hope mods will let this stay in fan zone for 24 hours.

So they are not that greedy.
32 teams each with 200 mil cap this year, so 32x200 mil is 6.4 billion dollars!
I knocked off the 400 mill for unused cap.

On top of that consider team uniforms, jocks socks training equipment, training facility and maintenance of that.
Travel expenses every time team goes somewhere meals [some of these guys cant eat!]
Stadium maintenance , the electric and water bills for home games Stadium lights have to use a lot of juice,
and 90,000 people using RR use a lot of water.

Owners have a lot of expenses that people rarely think about.

Now Jake posted that the coming season tv rights will generate over 5 billion, which is great,
but that doesnt even cover the cap of 6.4 billion. So owners dont profit on that at all. That just helps
pay the players.

So the owners make most of their profit from home games, 90,000 seats on avg , and the concessions
they get too.
those of u who actually have gone to games recently could figure up and post what you think
they pull in per game
I just guessed at $50 per person , and x 90,000 = 4.5 mil per game,x 8 =36 mil per year
then add the sponsor money,= 50 mil per year?
That is a lot, but doesnt seem like much considering all the billions thrown around.

I think the teams worth, has to include the value of the stadium itself and practice facility and other things.

So this is why the owners really need to have fans at the games, because that is their main source
of income that can be profit.
This is also why they want another home game every year or two years,[with 17 games]

The NFL made over $15 billion in 2019. They can afford $6 billion (and then some).

Less than 40% of that came from stadium revenues. No surprise that the Cowboys were first in stadium revenues.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoz...f-games-are-played-without-fans/#4f092c82691a
 

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Anyone who worships money is greedy.

I agree but just bc someone is focused on making the most money possible doesn’t mean they necessarily worship money.

they could worship their family and hope to pass wealth on for multiple generations too, in that case money is just a medium to their life goal which I can’t begrudge anyone.
 

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I hope mods will let this stay in fan zone for 24 hours.

So they are not that greedy.
32 teams each with 200 mil cap this year, so 32x200 mil is 6.4 billion dollars!
I knocked off the 400 mill for unused cap.

On top of that consider team uniforms, jocks socks training equipment, training facility and maintenance of that.
Travel expenses every time team goes somewhere meals [some of these guys cant eat!]
Stadium maintenance , the electric and water bills for home games Stadium lights have to use a lot of juice,
and 90,000 people using RR use a lot of water.

Owners have a lot of expenses that people rarely think about.

Now Jake posted that the coming season tv rights will generate over 5 billion, which is great,
but that doesnt even cover the cap of 6.4 billion. So owners dont profit on that at all. That just helps
pay the players.

So the owners make most of their profit from home games, 90,000 seats on avg , and the concessions
they get too.
those of u who actually have gone to games recently could figure up and post what you think
they pull in per game
I just guessed at $50 per person , and x 90,000 = 4.5 mil per game,x 8 =36 mil per year
then add the sponsor money,= 50 mil per year?
That is a lot, but doesnt seem like much considering all the billions thrown around.

I think the teams worth, has to include the value of the stadium itself and practice facility and other things.

So this is why the owners really need to have fans at the games, because that is their main source
of income that can be profit.
This is also why they want another home game every year or two years,[with 17 games]
Yea but it's not really out of there pockets with the salary cap. They divide alot of money too. I get what your saying though
 
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