Twitter: No preseason games proposed

[glimmerman]

No, I do not think they need it and don't think the good ones even use it. They have enough information on players and there are so few spots open on most teams that the preseason games exist for one reason, to make the owners additional money because they're not on real games checks yet but they are on full ticket prices, concessions and merch.

What began as "Exhibition Games" in other markets to kick up extra money evolved into the preseason games fleshing out the season ticket package at 10 games and charging the same price for additional profit and if you wanted season tickets, you had no choice and they had no value on the resale front.

Even the 3rd "dress rehearsal" preseason game is a thing of the past and coaches don't want to risk players and every player knows the story of injury settlements to players during the preseason. They're paid professional athletes and they're not playing all out until it gets real.

The reason it's so sloppy to start the season is because they don't give the players enough real game work and the coaches realize the short term memory of owners/GM's when they've lost a key player to the preseason.

I really do not think we'll see a difference because the players realize they don't have any games until it gets real. And they don't have to use valuable time in travel for pretend games and can use that time to get ready.

I am going out on a limb here but I will predict that the consensus of opinion is that the play will look as sharp, if not sharper, with no preseason games. Something the players will love and the owners will not. The coaches and players do not need the preseason, the owners do.

In our position with installation of new or newer Offense and Defense and we may as well say ST as we didnt have one last year. You don’t think we could use the work.

 

[Parcells4Life]

These players today are in year round training because of the money at stake.

Back in the day, players used camp to get into game shape and my favorite part of that was the overweight list they'd put on with their part-time jobs. That was the main reason linemen hated camp, it was like Bear Bryant's A&M camp for a lot of them. And the fines for lbs could really be felt by them back then.

Exactly the point. Most years they can get training away from facility. That wasn’t the case this year which is why they should delay the season a month

 

[blueblood70]

These players today are in year round training because of the money at stake.

Back in the day, players used camp to get into game shape and my favorite part of that was the overweight list they'd put on with their part-time jobs. That was the main reason linemen hated camp, it was like Bear Bryant's A&M camp for a lot of them. And the fines for lbs could really be felt by them back then.

THEY ARE NOT IN GAME SHAPE, PERIOD, HITTING AND LIVE SPEED CAN NOT BE PRACTICED..PRESEASON GAMES ARE NEEDED, TWO FOR SURE..its bad enough with no truE OTAS or MCs a shortened TC and now no PS games, more injuries will happen AND PLAYERS WILL MISS DO TO QUARANTINE..

they will be using the entire practice squad and be signing street players by game 6

but if we have any full season ill be content..

 

[conner01]

They need to expand the rosters then. At least for the first 4 to 6 games.

2 PS games would have been at least enough to evaluate some players.

teams with new coaching staffs will be at even more of a disadvantage as to implementing their philosophies.
MM best be what we want him to be to overcome this.

No pre season means never seeing in some cases a quarter of your roster in a game
That’s huge
2 games could make a world of difference
But considering the situation I get the logic
But agree we need expanded rosters to allow young guys a real chance to make an nfl roster and have depth in case things get bad
We also need something like baseballs 15 game DL or teams could get very thin

 

[blueblood70]

No pre season means never seeing in some cases a quarter of your roster in a game
That’s huge
2 games could make a world of difference
But considering the situation I get the logic
But agree we need expanded rosters to allow young guys a real chance to make an nfl roster and have depth in case things get bad
We also need something like baseballs 15 game DL or teams could get very thin

i agree but once again more people cave to fews opinions that something can jeopardize the season, so to accommodate 10% of the payers squawking, they cancel two PS games.. Sad Id luv to see the rookies and UDFAS play before they get 3/4 on the depth chart..the starters should have came out for the first half of both games and played like it was a real game, go hard, then all fo the second half is all backups etc

 

[Stash]

If this is what it takes to get to games that truly matter?

I can live with it.

 

[CouchCoach]

In our position with installation of new or newer Offense and Defense and we may as well say ST as we didnt have one last year. You don’t think we could use the work.

How much of that offense are they going to show in preseason games? Everything is vanilla and the coaching staffs are just looking to not lose any key players.

I think the Cowboys will benefit more from no preseason games and spend more time practicing against each other. They're not going to find their C and LG in preseason.

 

[Redball Express]

A lot more injuries. These players are going to have to condition on there own. Some players won’t do it on there own. Lots of hamstring injuries.

Depth.

Teams that have it are going to be there at the end.

The field is really leveled this season with all these changes.

We are behind the rest with all our changes and now no preseason to try out either side of the ball.

Makes me think Moore and the offense won't be that changed from last year.

Hmm..

 

[CouchCoach]

Exactly the point. Most years they can get training away from facility. That wasn’t the case this year which is why they should delay the season a month

I would be fine with that but the NFL has the TV people to please as well. And this year, they're the audience so they want to keep them happy.

 

[CouchCoach]

THEY ARE NOT IN GAME SHAPE, PERIOD, HITTING AND LIVE SPEED CAN NOT BE PRACTICED..PRESEASON GAMES ARE NEEDED, TWO FOR SURE..its bad enough with no truE OTAS or MCs a shortened TC and now no PS games, more injuries will happen AND PLAYERS WILL MISS DO TO QUARANTINE..

they will be using the entire practice squad and be signing street players by game 6

but if we have any full season ill be content..

How much do the key players play in preseason games? Do you think when they start games with starters on both sides, they're going full speed?

Back in the 70's, the vets took it easy on each other according to what Bob Lilly told me. He said that was why they didn't pit rivals against each other.

However, remember when the Raiders were our scrimmage partner team years back? They had to call it off because of the fights breaking out. A lot of that is caused when a player decides going at half speed isn't as much fun.

There is a scene in North Dallas Forty that according to Lilly was as authentic as it gets. It's when they're practicing and the coach has the DT go at Joe Bob full speed when it's a half speed drill. Coaches sense when a player needs a little hurry up in his gitalong. And they can control that, they can't control the players on the other team in preseason games.

bb, this is going to be a crazy season regardless of what they do. They're going to be feeling their way along this and there are most likely some real curves coming there way. What if a team really can't field a competitive team. What about games players like Mahomes, Jackson, Wilson and Rodgers might miss or Barkley, McCaffery or Henry, those RB's are the offense.

What they should be doing is going back to the practice levels before this china doll CBA deal was made. Get the hitting up, tackling, get ready to play the game right from the start.

The Cowboys don't need preseason games to test the new O and D, they need practice. They're not going to do anything but vanilla if they were playing in the preseason.

One thing that will be revealed without the preseason, where are the best coaching staffs at getting their players ready to play real football? I am anticipating the season now more than ever because this is different but I still don't know if it's going to start the weekend after Labor Day.

 

[blueblood70]

How much do the key players play in preseason games? Do you think when they start games with starters on both sides, they're going full speed?

they dont but they ramp up and ease into it and get enough to make a difference in many people eyes..coming in cold to live tackling and teams not liking you and wanting to hit you because they've been pent up in practice etc against themselves, playing live speed is very important..5 games, NO!

2 Games =YES

 

[CouchCoach]

No pre season means never seeing in some cases a quarter of your roster in a game
That’s huge
2 games could make a world of difference
But considering the situation I get the logic
But agree we need expanded rosters to allow young guys a real chance to make an nfl roster and have depth in case things get bad
We also need something like baseballs 15 game DL or teams could get very thin

The problem with that is the owners are going to lose a lot of profit with no fans in the stands and adding to the payroll probably doesn't appeal to a lot of them.

The other issue is at what competitive level can any team perform with too many PS players on the field. What if the Cowboys were to have their top 3 WR's out? These positions group in film study and in their respective meeting rooms. How about some OL missing?

There are some problems lurking within this and they can't plan for all of them. They're going to have to stay fluid and flexible if they hope to get a full season done.

If they really had some confidence in these rumors of effective vaccines, they should postpose this and start the season in January and maybe they could get 25-50% of the stands filled with vaccinated fans, that would have to be the requirement to get in. Push everything back and start the season in November of 2021 and return to the second week of Sept in 2022.

 

[CouchCoach]

they dont but they ramp up and ease into it and get enough to make a difference in many people eyes..coming in cold to live tackling and teams not liking you and wanting to hit you because they've been pent up in practice etc against themselves, playing live speed is very important..5 games, NO!

2 Games =YES

Well, it doesn't look like that's going to happen so they better get live speed going in practice, the college teams don't seem to have a problem with that. They play better ball than the NFL to start off their season every year.

If preseason was really used like you want, they wouldn't look so sloppy every year and it used to be only the offenses were sloppy but in the last 5-10 years, it's both sides looking like they aren't ready for some football.

It is not the concept of preseason that I do not like; it is the real application. And I don't think we are going to notice any difference this season without the preseason games. Might even be an improvement.

 

[quickccc]

A good thing. For this year at least every game should be meaningful.

Not a good thing to me,.. as these rookies and undrafted, vet FA guys needed these preseason to factor in the best evaluation
and live game experience and get better accumulated to the Cowboys system.
There's too little exposure and learning development process when it comes to no OTA's limited camp and zero preseason games.

 

[Established1971]

damn I wanted to see DeNucci

 

[conner01]

The problem with that is the owners are going to lose a lot of profit with no fans in the stands and adding to the payroll probably doesn't appeal to a lot of them.

The other issue is at what competitive level can any team perform with too many PS players on the field. What if the Cowboys were to have their top 3 WR's out? These positions group in film study and in their respective meeting rooms. How about some OL missing?

There are some problems lurking within this and they can't plan for all of them. They're going to have to stay fluid and flexible if they hope to get a full season done.

If they really had some confidence in these rumors of effective vaccines, they should postpose this and start the season in January and maybe they could get 25-50% of the stands filled with vaccinated fans, that would have to be the requirement to get in. Push everything back and start the season in November of 2021 and return to the second week of Sept in 2022.

A vaccine before next year is a mighty slim chance of happening
I don’t see them passing on an entire season because of the billions lost
I expect an attempt to play will happen. How that works out is anyone’s guess. My guess is it doesn’t work but time will tell
Every team will be in the same boat so to me the best option is a deeper roster which wouldn’t impact the cap but would the payroll. But those extra guys will be cheap relative to the top 51
It’s gonna be interesting to see what happens and I hope it can be done

 

[zerofill]

Well they are pro football players, they should know their craft. They have pros to play against with the practice squad, and 1st team offense and defense.

How often do pre-season games really change the outlook of a player, versus what they see out of them in practice anyway?

They should already be able to get acclimated to new coach, new plays, it shouldn't really make a difference.

They will just have to rely more on the position coaches for cuts, etc... and do more team on team.

 

[Buzzbait]

College doesn’t have preseason and they do just fine. They’ll be ok

Many college teams schedule the 1st 1 or 2 games with pansy teams every year for practice. It's still a regular season game and it counts, but it's purposely scheduled with a super easy opponent. Not much different from a preseason game.
The NFL's preseason games serve a worthwhile purpose.

 

[blueblood70]

Well, it doesn't look like that's going to happen so they better get live speed going in practice, the college teams don't seem to have a problem with that. They play better ball than the NFL to start off their season every year.

If preseason was really used like you want, they wouldn't look so sloppy every year and it used to be only the offenses were sloppy but in the last 5-10 years, it's both sides looking like they aren't ready for some football.

It is not the concept of preseason that I do not like; it is the real application. And I don't think we are going to notice any difference this season without the preseason games. Might even be an improvement.

sure if Alabama plays acorn st and ALabama ST the first two games like most do those are PRE SEASON..lmao

so 100yrs of NFL football and many of them had preseason games up to 4 and sometimes five NOW NONE ARE NEEDED?

if this becomes the norm they need to bring back more added tackling practices and no limits to live hitting a nd more interquad type games..ie Blue white scrimmages etc

you can have zero physical live type tacking its on e or the other

 

[Rockport]

So. In another month it’s gonna be ok to play games. Teams are gonna be a sloppy mess. If they do that they need make major changes. You have nothing but practice to see who makes the team.

There happens to be a pandemic going on. Of course it’s going to be sloppy football for a few weeks. For everyone. There’s a pandemic going on.