Dak a Tier-2 QB per NFL Coaches and Execs

[kskboys]

The money Dak was offered was second highest at his position. Third highest at the most. His agent was asking and I think JJ caved at the end. But I do think they worked out the structure to get this done next year. It will go up a few million and maybe some more guaranteed money. I think Daks deal is about done unless we make the SB. Then it starts over.

The one year deal is actually exactly what we needed to truly analyze Dak. At the end of this season, we will either pay Dak 30-34 mil or 35-38 mil, because by that time we should know.

 

[cern]

The money Dak was offered was second highest at his position. Third highest at the most. His agent was asking and I think JJ caved at the end. But I do think they worked out the structure to get this done next year. It will go up a few million and maybe some more guaranteed money. I think Daks deal is about done unless we make the SB. Then it starts over.

don't forget the pie. next year starts anew. but at least dak and france understand now that stephen won't back down. i doubt jerry has anything to do with it.

 

[kskboys]

lmao. the rise of the machines. the world would quit spinning on its axis and all life would be destroyed. every year there is still a gathering of those who have predicted the date and time of the world's end.

I come from a redneck culture, and I've been wildly entertained over the years hearing their oh so fun iterations and ideas.

Had one redneck buddy tell me that a 6 foot rattlesnake jumped up off the pavement to bite a guy who was standing up in the forearm. The rattlesnake was stretched out straight. Never mind that the physics of that are absolutely impossible!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

don't forget the pie. next year starts anew. but at least dak and france understand now that stephen won't back down. i doubt jerry has anything to do with it.

Jerry is the obnoxious kid hollerin' over in the corner while the adults discuss ideas and logistics.

 

[MarcusRock]

The money Dak was offered was second highest at his position. Third highest at the most. His agent was asking and I think JJ caved at the end. But I do think they worked out the structure to get this done next year. It will go up a few million and maybe some more guaranteed money. I think Daks deal is about done unless we make the SB. Then it starts over.

For the AAV it was. What folks keep leaving out of the discussion, then choose to not discuss it when it's brought up, is the guaranteed figure. All we heard were guarantees similar to Goff's 4-year extension packaged in a 5-year deal. That's not fair no matter how you slice it if you think Dak is comparable to Goff/Wentz. If you're going to offer Wilson AAV, why aren't you bringing up the guarantee amount to be commensurate to a 5-year deal vs. a 4-year deal? That agent article was saying $130M. Why did no offer even get into the $120M range?

 

[glimmerman]

For the AAV it was. What folks keep leaving out of the discussion, then choose to not discuss it when it's brought up, is the guaranteed figure. All we heard were guarantees similar to Goff's 4-year extension packaged in a 5-year deal. That's not fair no matter how you slice it if you think Dak is comparable to Goff/Wentz. If you're going to offer Wilson AAV, why aren't you bringing up the guarantee amount to be commensurate to a 5-year deal vs. a 4-year deal? That agent article was saying $130M. Why did no offer even get into the $120M range?

This will be the guaranteed offered money this season. Or they drop the 5th year. I see 35-37 for 4 years 115-120 guaranteed. I do think the talk of 50 million dollar signing bonus and 70 in the first 2 years was appealing to Dak.

 

[glimmerman]

The one year deal is actually exactly what we needed to truly analyze Dak. At the end of this season, we will either pay Dak 30-34 mil or 35-38 mil, because by that time we should know.

If he does as good as last year and we have a actual ST then it comes down to the Defense. If Defense is as good as last year we will have more wins than last year. I would see 35-37 with more guaranteed money and that sweet 50 million signing bonus that opened his eyes.

 

[CouchCoach]

And what if he doesn't even play up to that 12th ranking this season, has an off year and struggles?

Then they're faced with either trying to get him cheaper or deciding to move on. That's the beauty of this one season, all of the options are still there.

And they've hired a QB guru type of HC so they already have the guy they would want to bring another QB along, in case they choose to go that route.

On one hand, it could cost them more money to keep Prescott but on the other, considering their history with finding QB's, better to be comfortable that the coaching staff feels he's the guy before going forward.

I really don't get this "the Joneses failed" thinking because they might have just ultimately succeeded, at least at that position.

 

[MarcusRock]

This will be the guaranteed offered money this season. Or they drop the 5th year. I see 35-37 for 4 years 115-120 guaranteed. I do think the talk of 50 million dollar signing bonus and 70 in the first 2 years was appealing to Dak.

Pay in the first 2 years had to start at $70M. He would get around $69M on the tag guaranteed those years.

 

[jterrell]

And unless we are in the SB this year..

Dak will go elsewhere where they have no talent to support what he needs to succeed.

About 2 All Pro WRs, an All Pro RB and an OL with at least 2 Pro Bowlers.

No team is going to have all that AND pay Dak $40+mil /yr.

Nope.

Not with a collapsing financial structure like what is happening.

Doubtful. DAL isn't letting him walk if he has a year equal to last year.
They'd tag him.
Arguing about his weapons his hilarious because he has been handed at different times terrible WR corps and terrible ST play.
He took a team with Garrett/Linehan and made the playoffs then put up over 300 yards passing as a rookie.
2 years later he beat Russell Wilson in a playoff game.
Dak has went 40-24 and the money is only going up.

What you are defending and Stephen has done is need to go urinate but drink a full beer before joining the line to the loo.
It's not surprising anyone when he tinkles down his leg.

You don't put genie's back in the bottle. The price isn't coming down.

 

[DandyDon52]

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If that's true, then France should give up being an agent. Offers are made followed by counteroffers, that's how this works. You guys insisting that it was a lowball offer are simply being silly. It was a first volley, I can't for the life of me get why that first offer upsets some people.

And if that's truly the problem, then both Dak and his agent are some childish sonofaguns.

then both Dak and his agent are some childish sonofaguns..... they probably are. Rich ones though lol. Which just makes them more arrogant and childish.
I dont have a link, but The first offer was low and they were offended, so made a huge counter offer, and that probably made the 2 jones boys mad, and
off we go.
Like u say, they should have just ignored that and asked for a better offer, that one wont do. I would not make counter offers early on.

 

[DandyDon52]

and the lucky sperm

lol now that is original !

 

[Hadenough]

Interesting. Where did the coaches do this?

Probably watching film like me. Stats don't always tell the story.

 

[Corso]

Probably watching film like me. Stats don't always tell the story.

So you don't know.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I said as much, I was just pointing out that you cleaned up what he said about Dak a little, again I have no problem with people not liking our current players or questioning what they are worth, its your right as a fan absolutely. but lets not act like "Man he is good but that's a lot of money" is the same as "he is an average bus driver at best" because some fans will defend the player as that's their right as a fan...

I would agree that if someone calls Dak a "bus driver" that he's understating Dak's abilities. IMO Dak is a better quarterback than that. I think whatever outfit evaluated him as 12th best in the league got it right. He's not elite. He's not top 5, but it's totally fair to call him good or above average. I wouldn't say calling him a "bus driver" is hating on him, but I wouldn't call that an accurate assessment either. To me "bus driver" means a quarterback who's just good enough to get the job done by getting the ball to other talented players and not screwing things up in a conservative game plan. I think that describes Trent Dilfer, but I do believe Dak is better than he was.

 

[Tussinman]

Stevie is one of the worst public negotiators I have ever been witness to.

On Zeke: "Gurley's price is the floor"
Uh... he was the top paid RB at the time.
Constantly praising Dak, puffing him up and saying the deal will get done and NO, we're not looking in any other direction.
Got totally railroaded by DLaw...
The guy is always going to shoot his own team in the foot with that process.

The Zeke thing was borderline embarassing. Months before the holdout he literally declared to everyone "Zeke is our boy for life" " we already have the money allocated for him" and "gurley is the starting point of the negotiations".

He then a few months later is trying to act all surprised that he held out...... (duh, you gave him artificial leverage)

If it had been a tighter run ship like Pete Carroll or Bill Bellicheck answering those same media questions they would of straight up said "no we don't do new contracts or holdouts with 2 years left, that have never been are history and never will be, next question" and guess what ? That would of been the end of it

D-law was bad as well. You had until mid July to revoke the tag, there's no way Tank goes post draft without having the surgery for fear of the tag being revoked and him basically losing an entire year in his prime. Tank was forced into a position where he either had to sign the tag because if he delayed the surgery no team would of given him more than a 1 year prove it deal anyways but of course Stephen gives him a record contract

 

[Hadenough]

So you don't know.

So I was casual with my answer but technically yes they watch him play in games so yes they are watching film and that would mean I do know.

 

[Corso]

So I was casual with my answer but technically yes they watch him play in games so yes they are watching film and that would mean I do know.

They watch him so that means you know? I'm liking where you're going.

Honestly, I was originally asking for something like a link. I thought you had one.

 

[kskboys]

And what if he doesn't even play up to that 12th ranking this season, has an off year and struggles?

Then they're faced with either trying to get him cheaper or deciding to move on. That's the beauty of this one season, all of the options are still there.

And they've hired a QB guru type of HC so they already have the guy they would want to bring another QB along, in case they choose to go that route.

On one hand, it could cost them more money to keep Prescott but on the other, considering their history with finding QB's, better to be comfortable that the coaching staff feels he's the guy before going forward.

I really don't get this "the Joneses failed" thinking because they might have just ultimately succeeded, at least at that position.

People who have taken a side in this will go to any lengths to make everything bend to their agenda.

 

[kskboys]

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then both Dak and his agent are some childish sonofaguns..... they probably are. Rich ones though lol. Which just makes them more arrogant and childish.
I dont have a link, but The first offer was low and they were offended, so made a huge counter offer, and that probably made the 2 jones boys mad, and
off we go.
Like u say, they should have just ignored that and asked for a better offer, that one wont do. I would not make counter offers early on.

Conjecture. If that's really the way it went, you've got extreme childishness on both sides. I've heard that conjecture before, and don't really believe it.