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From those great coaches to Jason Garrett?? I guess some folks dislike being puppets.
From those great coaches to Jason Garrett?? I guess some folks dislike being puppets.
Brees wasn't really considered an elite passer until he teamed with Payton in New Orleans. Brees played for 5 seasons in San Diego where he averaged around 210 yards per game. He was a good passer at that time, but he wasn't considered elite, yet. Brees and Payton make a great duo. They have maxed out their potential working together.
Yep. There was an old SI article about the 2002 draft where they're debating all the prospects and Jim Garrett is sort of ruling the room and ranting about how great a corner Philip Buchanon is going to be -- he turned out to be spare, BTW - that "If you don't think he's going to be great you don't know football!" And Zimmer, who wasn't a fan, comes back with, "Oh yeah, well I think I know football."I recall watching an episode of Hard Knocks where the coaches were all in a meeting room discussing a topic and Joe Avezzano made some intentional biting gig at the defense in what appeared to be an attempt to gain favor with Jerry. Zimmer then tore into Avezzano and at that point I became a huge Zimmer fan.
Wanting to sign Delhomme wasn't enough. Parcells lost the moment he settled on Carter. Then of course he screwed up another two times with Vinney and Bledslow.
Zimmer was one of the few not associated with Johnson and his disrespect of Booger. I think he interviewed Turner just so he could turn him down. I also think Dallas' dominance over Turner's Skins was especially pleasing to him.Yep. There was an old SI article about the 2002 draft where they're debating all the prospects and Jim Garrett is sort of ruling the room and ranting about how great a corner Philip Buchanon is going to be -- he turned out to be spare, BTW - that "If you don't think he's going to be great you don't know football!" And Zimmer, who wasn't a fan, comes back with, "Oh yeah, well I think I know football."
That was the great thing about Zimmer,. He was a true tough guy, had the Parcells endorsement, but Jerry knew and trusted him. If Zim had been here, he'd have kept Jerry happy while still standing up to him. He'd have disproved the idea that anyone who worked for Jerry had to be a milquetoast mealy-mouthed politician like Garrett was.
When I think of Parcells' coaching tree, three things come to mind. One, how his record looked without his former DC, two, how rigid he was on no other coaches granting interviews and three, that image of him running down the sideline to physically push Todd Haley back, a classless thing to do but class and Parcells weren't synonymous to me and I consider him overrated.
I liked his press conferences in Dallas a lot better than his coaching. This is a guy that went to SEA facing two, literally, off the street S's, one of them his former player Pete Hunter, and failed to exploit that. He coached like a chicken and his piss poor coaching that night was overshadowed by the botched snap. The other thing that I got really tired of with him was his Mike Holmgren love, hell, I thought they were going to pick out drapes.
Parcells is the most overrated HC the Cowboys ever had and if you are what you record says you are, he's a .500 HC. However, he did have the prettiest breasts of any HC the Cowboys have had. Wade didn't show his off as much.
And what does it say when another HC rolls in and takes your 9-7 team to the best record in the NFC?
Garrett’s a good coach. Butthurt Cowboy fans who don’t know what they’re watching didn’t change that. The fact that we’re starting the process from scratch won’t change it either. But by mid season our fans will be in the exact same place with the new staff. It’s inevitable. Wait and see.
I’m kind of surprised I have to even say it, to tell you the truth. Next step is they turn on Dak because of what he gets paid. After that, they turn on the HC and pretend they knew it all along.
You just confirmed EXACTLY what I said. LOL
Payton was the OC and Parcells wouldn't even give him the respect to call him one.
Oh so Payton copied Parcells coaching? LOL
A number of similarities? Poor run game, poor defense, and a big passing attack? Oh yah, sure buddy. You mean a few small similarities but that's it?
Talk about ignorant?
You sound like a Parcells cry baby that has to jump all over the place to make a few hollow points.
Coaching style? First thing he did was go out and get a REAL QB. When did Parcells have an elite passer like Brees?
Any more dumb comments Mr ignorant?
Never said he sucks, he's overrated. He was a good HC but I do not put him up there with the ones I consider the best. He was my favorite of all time doing pc's with the local media.here is another guy who doesn't like Parcells so he starts telling fake stories with the confidence of a man who thinks he is telling the truth.
A. Parcells never ran down a sideline and physically pushed Todd Haley. This is 100% false and you recall it as a an "Image you can not forget" Parcells was in the middle of talking to an official during a game in seattle and Haley was standing over his shoulder screaming at the official Parcells was trying to talk to...he asked him to stop and then shoved him back. Nice try though.
B. He had that rule which many other coaches had about not letting assistants talk because one of the main jobs in being a head coach in the NFL is limiting distractions and having one message and staying on it. You as a Dallas fan should no better than anyone how valuable this philosophy is since Dallas is the polar opposite since Jimmy Johnson left. So many other coaches adopted this that the league mandated Coordinators have to talk on thursday.
C. His record without Belichick is just fine. He made the playoffs in Dallas and New England without Belichick. Parcells taught Belichick to be a linebackers coach when he was In NY when Bill was the St. assistant and assistant lb coach. The two of them were always great together. A great deal of Belichick's philosophy comes from Parcells.
D. In regards to the 06 wild card game at Seattle. Yes they signed Pete Hunter to play safety during the week and on paper there seems to be a weakness. It's not neccessarily true however because if you go look at how Seattle Played defense vs Parcells Cowboys in 04 and 05 prior to that game you will see that they played zone dropping 6 or 7 all the time. The weakness was in their run defense and Dallas took advantage of that in all three games. Unfortunately they lost the game in 05 at seattle thanks to a bad snap and missed field goal ironically and a late bledsoe interception that set up a field goal at the end of regulation for Seattle. Then of course the overturned first down for witten and the dropped snap by romo in the 06 wild card game.
Also, that wild card game was a super risky game to throw the ball. Seattle was very good up front and Dallas was struggling a bit in protection towards the end of the year. Many did not know that Columbo was playing through a serious knee injury that should have put him on IR and Rivera hurt his back in the game. Taking a young qb on the road for his first playoff start vs the defending nfc champions in the loudest stadium in the league is a tough ask to throw it 45 times and win that way. Especially when the Dallas defense fell apart in december and was giving up big plays and busted coverages all over the place. Getting in a shootout in that situation was an incredibly risky decision. Had the game been played in Irving I believe they would have thrown it more but in that environment with shaky protection, a young qb and a defense that had lost its mojo was extremely risky.
Just go watch the two previous games at seattle in 04 and 05. They are the same, seattle played the pass all the way.
Also the terry glenn fumbled on their own 1 yard line which resulted in a safety and then a score was a huge momentum swing. If Glenn held onto the ball while juking there he would have run forever....just another moment in a long line of them over the past 20 years in the postseason that went against the team.
anyway the long and short of it is Parcells Rebuilt 4 terrible...I mean Terrible franchises. The early 90's patriots were just beyond awful and their facilities were falling apart plus they had no owner who was trying to win. They went to the superbowl in 96. Pretty damn amazing. The jets were 1-15 and parcells led them to The afc championship game in 98 where they lost to one of the leagues greatest teams ever in Denver. Parcells took over a cowboys organization that was a train wreck pretty closely on the level to the patriots. Three straight 5-11's, no offense to speak of and with a few moves, changing how they draft and scout he rebuilt the organization. Your comment about wade taking his 9-7 team and going 13-3 is laughable.
anyway I look forward to your response about how Parcells sucks.
There was nothing about WE that made them.I think we should never forget the Garrett era. If we do, then we will be doomed to make the same mistakes.
I know there are a handful of Garrett apologists that I will NEVER let forget about the Garrett era.
He got the roster headed in the right direction (except for the atrocious OL decisions), as well as the franchise.Never said he sucks, he's overrated. He was a good HC but I do not put him up there with the ones I consider the best. He was my favorite of all time doing pc's with the local media.
I am a little confused, so you are saying he didn't shove Haley but he shoved Haley?
We'll just disagree about SEA, he chicken coached there and I don't see many HC's doing that considering what they'd been forced to do in that secondary and with one of his former players.
You're a Parcells fan, I am not. but I don't dislike him. I am also a Cowboys fan and only care about what he didn't do here. He did get Booger his Big Top but that's about it.
Laughable or not, the guy that said "you are what your record says you are" has his 9-7 team taken to 13-3 the very next season.
He got the roster headed in the right direction (except for the atrocious OL decisions), as well as the franchise.
We saw what happened when Jerry stepped aside for a few years and it nearly killed him.
Then he ran Parcells out of town with TO and pulled his "I'll take it from here" act.
I truly despise that man if he hasnt learned by this time, my patience is real thin.
If we only had Sean Payton.....
I don't think Jerry ran Parcells out of town. Parcells never stayed at one spot very long as a head coach. His longest tenure was with the Giants where he coached for 8 seasons. That is really not that long of a time span and it was also while he was in his 40s. The odds of a mid-60s Parcells staying more than 4 years in Dallas were always pretty low. He only lasted 4 years with the Patriots and only 3 with the Jets. It didn't surprise me that he was done after 4 years and I was a little surprised he even lasted that long with Dallas. It isn't as if he went on to take another HC job after Dallas. He didn't even take on a GM role after leaving the Cowboys.
The love fest can be at least partially explained by our egomaniac owner insisting he knows football has led us to where the bar for success is so low that we would accept contending every year as opposed to championships.I don't understand the love fest with Sean Payton, he has had a hall of fame QB, with a loaded roster and just has 1 Super Bowl to show for it. His team's have underachieved in the playoffs year after year.
I think he knew exactly what he was getting into and for how long when he came to Dallas. I think he genuinely liked Booger and stayed that extra year for another 1M.I don't think Jerry ran Parcells out of town. Parcells never stayed at one spot very long as a head coach. His longest tenure was with the Giants where he coached for 8 seasons. That is really not that long of a time span and it was also while he was in his 40s. The odds of a mid-60s Parcells staying more than 4 years in Dallas were always pretty low. He only lasted 4 years with the Patriots and only 3 with the Jets. It didn't surprise me that he was done after 4 years and I was a little surprised he even lasted that long with Dallas. It isn't as if he went on to take another HC job after Dallas. He didn't even take on a GM role after leaving the Cowboys.
As I said, it was more of a favor to Jerry to see if he could develop him into a legitimate, starting QB. Parcells went back to veterans he trusted.