BtB: Add this player to the defense, Everson Griffen

[gjkoeppen]

Those are your options when you give one coach too much say in player selection and he selects poorly.

I'm interested in how you know as fact how much McCarthy has on what players the Cowboys sign.
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[Sydla]

I'm interested in how you know as fact how much McCarthy has on what players the Cowboys sign.
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I think he’s talking about Marinelli.

 

[LittleD]

If Jerry and the new coaching staff wanted him, he would already be signed. He wants too much money or they just don't want him. At this point, he's just another in a long line of
"paycheck" players. Most likely, someone will have to get hurt or covid for him to find a job.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I think he’s talking about Marinelli.

The I'll ask the same thing as how anyone knows as fact how much any coach has in deciding what players get signed. If so then do teams really need the professional side of their scouting departments? Teams discuss and decide what positions they need to address and then the pro scouts go out and find those players and report to Jones. Either the pro scout don't know how to evaluate players so Jones has to ask the coaches or they do know how to evaluate players. How many times do we hear that coaches say they have to work with the players they are given?
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[Cowboyny]

It's a no brainer IMO. He won't be expensive, likely looking for short term deals at this point, which fits into our cap strategy. He can still play, as he'd be the best RDE on the roster to start the season. He's top level insurance against the reality that Crawford is a JAG at RDE and/or Smith/Gregory don't find their youthful steps again.

I am going to beat the living hell out of this dead horse.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...teran-defender-before-the-start-of-the-season

We heard several weeks back that there was something behind the scenes with Griffen that the team isn't interesting in signing him. Edwards who was his DC with the Vikings, is now on the Cowboy Staff. You would think he knows everything about the player on and off the field. It is really telling that they have shown zero interest, which suggests there is something that the public isn't aware of. Cross his name off the list.

 

[Ranched]

With a Super Bowl window open, this move makes way too much sense for our Boys not to snatch him up.

 

[glimmerman]

Must be a reason a player like that is sitting home. Maybe he wants to much.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It's a no brainer IMO. He won't be expensive, likely looking for short term deals at this point, which fits into our cap strategy. He can still play, as he'd be the best RDE on the roster to start the season. He's top level insurance against the reality that Crawford is a JAG at RDE and/or Smith/Gregory don't find their youthful steps again.

I am going to beat the living hell out of this dead horse.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...teran-defender-before-the-start-of-the-season

You still feel that way if Gregory gets reinstated?

Lets say that Gregory gets reinstated and the Cowboys keep 6 DE's. Who are your six?

 

[Stash]

Crawford a better fit where? At RDE?

It's the lemmings' 'justification'. As if whatever the Cowboys think or do makes it the RIGHT thing. They check their brain at the door and default to going along with whatever the team does.

 

[Stash]

I've got to believe that there's a good reason why Dallas hasn't signed Griffen considering his remaining availability. It could be his asking price. It could be he's a head case or bad locker-room presence, since we have a coach on staff that would know that. I'd say if our LB coach was all gung-ho about getting him, we would have already if the asking price was OK.

I'd say it's more about asking price than anything George Edwards might say. He just returned here himself so I doubt that the team is making $10 million decisions based solely on his wants.

 

[Stash]

Dline looks worse than It did last season tbh

At RDE? Sure. But the other spots look better.

 

[Stash]

Must be a reason a player like that is sitting home. Maybe he wants to much.

That's exactly why.

I'm not sure if it was just a bad decision by he and his agent, or seeing the writing on the wall as to why he opted out of a deal set to pay him over $13 million. My best guess would be it was the latter, because the Vikings were up against the cap and cutting and trading players at the start of free agency. Maybe Griffen and his agent wanted to hit the market as early as possible?

But the fact remains that they picked the worst time to do that and he's still on the market because no one will approach his current asking price. Like Clowney, his demands have to come way down or he won't have a seat when the season starts.

 

[Sydla]

The I'll ask the same thing as how anyone knows as fact how much any coach has in deciding what players get signed. If so then do teams really need the professional side of their scouting departments? Teams discuss and decide what positions they need to address and then the pro scouts go out and find those players and report to Jones. Either the pro scout don't know how to evaluate players so Jones has to ask the coaches or they do know how to evaluate players. How many times do we hear that coaches say they have to work with the players they are given?
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I think you are fairly naive at this point if you think Marinelli didn't have a heavy say in who they brought in along the DL. He was a huge factor in us taking Hill and Charlton. It was well documented. Go back as far as Frederick, when it was reported he was against drafting Sharrif Floyd at DT (he got that one right). He was a big reason why they spent cheap at DT for years as he convinced the front office he could make do with high effort players and not necessarily highly skilled guys.

There is little doubt the Cowboys are now paying for some of Marinelli's mistakes.

 

[Sydla]

That's exactly why.

I'm not sure if it was just a bad decision by he and his agent, or seeing the writing on the wall as to why he opted out of a deal set to pay him over $13 million. My best guess would be it was the latter, because the Vikings were up against the cap and cutting and trading players at the start of free agency. Maybe Griffen and his agent wanted to hit the market as early as possible?

But the fact remains that they picked the worst time to do that and he's still on the market because no one will approach his current asking price. Like Clowney, his demands have to come way down or he won't have a seat when the season starts.

This also gets back to the point (maybe) that some of these guys also ask for a lot knowing they don't really want to go through a full camp, preseason games, etc. Then when they get to the point where they are ready to come back, suddenly their demands drop.

But not sure how that works here - it seems he wants to sign somewhere and camps are less strenuous this year with no preseason games. So something is amiss here. Maybe it's as simple as the old Vikes coach on our staff had some bad things to say about him. It just chaps my butt that they've put together a really good roster with a couple of holes and there is a solution(s) sitting out there that could fix an ongoing issue - rushing the passer - and yet we are going to ride with our high effort guy in Crawford and a couple of cross your fingers and hope we get lucky types.

This seems to be the theme with this front office over the last 10 years or so. Always unwilling to take those last few steps.

 

[Stash]

I think you are fairly naive at this point if you think Marinelli didn't have a heavy say in who they brought in along the DL. He was a huge factor in us taking Hill and Charlton. It was well documented. Go back as far as Frederick, when it was reported he was against drafting Sharrif Floyd at DT (he got that one right). He was a big reason why they spent cheap at DT for years as he convinced the front office he could make do with high effort players and not necessarily highly skilled guys.

There is little doubt the Cowboys are now paying for some of Marinelli's mistakes.

Willful ignorance is the term you're looking for.

willful-ignorance
Noun
(uncountable)

1. (idiomatic, law) A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.

It's a common tactic nowadays.

 

[Sydla]

You still feel that way if Gregory gets reinstated?

Lets say that Gregory gets reinstated and the Cowboys keep 6 DE's. Who are your six?

Yeah I still feel that way with Gregory. Again, we have ZERO idea how Gregory is going to come back from a long layoff. Same with Smith.

Let's put it this way............. if the Philadelphia Eagles rolled out Tyrone Crawford (a DT), Aldon Smith and Randy Gregory at RDE, you'd probably laugh at them. But here, people think it's pretty good.

My 6 DEs if I had my way?

SDE - Lawrence, Armstrong, Jackson/Jelks/Anae
RDE - Griffen/Clowney, Gregory, Smith

I am bullish on being to consistently terrorize a QB. It helps get off the field, it creates turnovers, it puts teams in bad positions. Without a Griffen type, I think there is a glaring hole at RDE, a prime pass rush position. Now could we get lucky with Smith and/or Gregory? Sure. That would be awesome, but that's really an unnecessary risk IMO when you have/had some options to bring in a proven player.

I would love to have egg on my face on this come mid-season as Smith/Gregory are killing people on one side. But I've seen enough of these risky plans the Cowboys take instead of proven solutions blow up in our faces to not assume this could be another big mistake.

 

[LittleD]

With a Super Bowl window open, this move makes way too much sense for our Boys not to snatch him up.

It might make sense to you but, not to them. They know all about this player and they don't want him... What do "No Interest" mean to you?

 

[LittleD]

Yeah I still feel that way with Gregory. Again, we have ZERO idea how Gregory is going to come back from a long layoff. Same with Smith.

Let's put it this way............. if the Philadelphia Eagles rolled out Tyrone Crawford (a DT), Aldon Smith and Randy Gregory at RDE, you'd probably laugh at them. But here, people think it's pretty good.

My 6 DEs if I had my way?

SDE - Lawrence, Armstrong, Jackson/Jelks/Anae
RDE - Griffen/Clowney, Gregory, Smith

I am bullish on being to consistently terrorize a QB. It helps get off the field, it creates turnovers, it puts teams in bad positions. Without a Griffen type, I think there is a glaring hole at RDE, a prime pass rush position. Now could we get lucky with Smith and/or Gregory? Sure. That would be awesome, but that's really an unnecessary risk IMO when you have/had some options to bring in a proven player.

I would love to have egg on my face on this come mid-season as Smith/Gregory are killing people on one side. But I've seen enough of these risky plans the Cowboys take instead of proven solutions blow up in our faces to not assume this could be another big mistake.

Unless someone gets hurt in camp or covid, they are not going to acquire anyone else. The FO has spoken. Clowney is a joke and only interested in money.

 

[OmerV]

lol another guy right up against the back half of his career, how many of those players do you want? we already have Poe and McCoy on the downside of their careers.

I would agree if talking about a guy counted on to be a long term solution, but if they can get him on a one year contract what would it hurt?

 

[gjkoeppen]

I think you are fairly naive at this point if you think Marinelli didn't have a heavy say in who they brought in along the DL. He was a huge factor in us taking Hill and Charlton. It was well documented. Go back as far as Frederick, when it was reported he was against drafting Sharrif Floyd at DT (he got that one right). He was a big reason why they spent cheap at DT for years as he convinced the front office he could make do with high effort players and not necessarily highly skilled guys.

There is little doubt the Cowboys are now paying for some of Marinelli's mistakes.

Again give me facts, direct quotes from Jones or Marinelli that he was who approved what players on the D-line the Cowboys got or drafted. I'm not talking about some speculation some sportswriter may have said. All to often people take those speculations as facts when they are not. It's just like when during the pregame for Super Bowl XLV in Dallas Johnson admitted in front of millions of people that he did not have all the power and authority that those outside of the team thought he had. Johnson said it really irked him that he had to go to Jones for things he thought he should be able to decide on. Prior to that pregame over the years there were articles where sportswriters said Johnson was actually the defacto GM.

What Frederick are you referring to?
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