Twitter: Todd France and CAA part ways

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The team effectively already lost an All Pro Corner to pay Prescott - they didn't want to have to let Elliott or Cooper walk as well.

A team can overpay a player e.g. if they have a QB on a rookie contract - Chargers blowing their load on Bosa.

If we overpay for Prescott then we will have to give up another asset.

The offer to Prescott indicates that the front office are of the view that he can win a Superbowl with the team but he needs talent across the board around him.

So if Prescott wants to be paid serious top dollar he might be able to elsewhere at a franchise that likely has a very slim chance of doing anything or he can sign with the Cowboys who have new coaches and a loaded roster at least on offense.

The reported offer wasn't exactly derisory.
Since Prescott showed up we lost Romo,Dez,Byron,and a bunch of coaches.
Prescott........666
 

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I believe your post said the following:

But we never budged off of our 33-35 million 5 year deal.

Well, they didn't start at 33-35, they started lower and came up to that and I've already said that it was rumored that a deal was on the table for 36 with incentives as well so I don't know that you can say that the team never budged but more to the point, why should they have to? They had a deal with Dak and France and Dak and France backed out. That's no way to do business and the response from the team was very predictable. To me, this is not the fault of the Cowboys at all.

That's how I see it.
I understand where we started from. Apparently your assuming I wasn’t aware where we started. I was referring to our last offer not budging from. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear.

I only place blame on the Cowboys if you wanted to get Dak signed this year avoiding it costing more next year. While possibly risking him not resigning here.

Dak knew he would get 37.7 million next year. That was actually a better starting point for negotiations. Cause it’s certainly going to be that or more next year.
 

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You didn’t believe Jerry was seeking a HC who was also sold on Dak. The intention was always to bring in a new HC and let him evaluate after one season whether he was our future.

That Jerry wasn’t sold yet? That certainly goes against everything Jerry and the Cowboys organization have been touting .

No. I believe Jerry was looking for a HC who could win a champhionship and part of that is evaluating what we have and where we are. No HC in their right mind, comes in and bets their career on a player who has basically proven nothing at QB. I believe that's who Jerry looked at this but I'm not Jerry so I can't say this is 100% true.
 

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No, that's wrong. It's the management's job to get the best deal done for the team. It's not necessarily managements job to get a deal done period.

I think it's interesting that you paint a picture the way you do, chest out...... yadda yadda ........ That's not how I see it but I suppose it might be how you see it. Not every deal is meant to be done and that's the truth.

The Cowboys are criticized no matter what they do so who cares? I certainly don't. I never thought that negotiating with France and CAA was a good idea and guess what, looks like that was the truth. Not every deal is meant to be done and this may be one of those. Dak is not the last QB or the only QB who can win in Dallas IMO. The team can decide what they want to do here but at the end of the day, Jerry had a deal and Dak and France backed out. If they don't do that, this deal is done so how in the world anybody says this is on Jerry is beyond me. This is on Dak and France and CAA. But believe what you wish.
Is not resigning Dak the best deal for the team moving forward ?
 

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No. I believe Jerry was looking for a HC who could win a champhionship and part of that is evaluating what we have and where we are. No HC in their right mind, comes in and bets their career on a player who has basically proven nothing at QB. I believe that's who Jerry looked at this but I'm not Jerry so I can't say this is 100% true.
Proven nothing? That’s how you see it with Dak.

You’re looking for team success validation?

Is this how you think the Cowboys organization sees it?

All we can do is analyze based on what Jerry has said and done.
 

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I understand where we started from. Apparently your assuming I wasn’t aware where we started. I was referring to our last offer not budging from. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear.

I only place blame on the Cowboys if you wanted to get Dak signed this year avoiding it costing more next year. While possibly risking him not resigning here.

Dak knew he would get 37.7 million next year. That was actually a better starting point for negotiations. Cause it’s certainly going to be that or more next year.

I don't know what you understood or didn't. That has nothing to do with anything. I simply stated what was reported. We don't know what the last offer actually was so it's foolish for us to assume the team didn't move off the original offer, one way or the other.

The team is 100% correct in this negotiation IMO. They had a deal and then Dak and CAA backed out. If there is no integrity in a negotiation, then there is no reason to negotiate. It is what it is and all the rest is unimportant.

If Dak plays well, then the team will sign him long term. If not, then he will likely get traded. That's how I see it.
 

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That remains to be seen.
Well, that’s why we are discussing it. Because of the potential impacts and effects it presents.

You’re not sold on Dak. Neither am I. But that’s not what my critique is centered around . Neither is the media.
 

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Proven nothing? That’s how you see it with Dak.

You’re looking for team success validation?

Is this how you think the Cowboys organization sees it?

All we can do is analyze based on what Jerry has said and done.

Yes, that's how I see it. Team success is the only validation. The sport is played for championships. The sport is not played for fantasy league numbers. If that's the sport people want to watch, that's fine but that's not what the NFL is or ever was. I not only think this is how the organization sees it, I think this is how the league sees it. Always has been, hopefully always will be.

I do agree with the analyze part. What has Jerry done in the past?
 

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Of course it is. When looking for a QB, the next Paxton Lynch or Connor Cook are only a draft day trade away. We missed last time but we'll git 'im next time I reckon.
We really don’t know if any of them would have made it here. Anymore than we know if Dak would have made it anywhere else.
 

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Well, that’s why we are discussing it. Because of the potential impacts and effects it presents.

You’re not sold on Dak. Neither am I. But that’s not what my critique is centered around . Neither is the media.

If you say so, but that's you. That's not me and I don't believe it's the team and who cares what the media believes?
 

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Yes, that's how I see it. Team success is the only validation. The sport is played for championships. The sport is not played for fantasy league numbers. If that's the sport people want to watch, that's fine but that's not what the NFL is or ever was. I not only think this is how the organization sees it, I think this is how the league sees it. Always has been, hopefully always will be.

I do agree with the analyze part. What has Jerry done in the past?
You’re certainly entitled to your belief but I don’t believe winning championships is the only measurement of QB’s which is more of a team measurement. But it certainly explains your opinion.
 

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Is not resigning Dak the best deal for the team moving forward ?
Yes, this leaves all of the options open, tag him again, tag and trade him, sign him or let him walk and get another QB.

And what some don't seem to grasp is this does nothing to the relationship of Prescott and the Joneses, it was merely business. Things are done and said during the negotiations by the Joneses all the time and that's just for the media. You have to think that Booger is really excited. On top of the Cowboys usual over coverage, he has a QB playing on the tag and the talking heads are thrilled as well.

Fans of Prescott's get to blame France believing he was held hostage and doesn't have a say in his own future. Others blame the Joneses for not blinking and I don't get that.

As fans, we should be celebrating that the Joneses, at least for now, stopped blinking and maybe the next agent doesn't play such hard ball with them expecting them to blink. France was right to push this to the wall, look what Elliott and Lawrence's agents got them. Cooper's didn't really have to do anything.
 

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You’re certainly entitled to your belief but I don’t believe winning championships is the only measurement of QB’s which is more of a team measurement. But it certainly explains your opinion.

Believe what you wish but that's what QBs believe in the NFL and that's what Owners believe as well. I think it's clear but again, you are entitled to your own opinion. Mine hasn't changed. I've always said this and I believe it's still the truth.
 

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The bottomline is by most accounts I’ve read is Dak will cost us much more next year. We know the Tag will be 37.7 million. No reason to believe Dak would sign for less than that.

And why the Cowboys ownership have been criticized for not stepping up this year cause it would ultimately have saved us money plus not risk losing him to free agency.

Only those fans who aren’t sold on Dak are happy with the current situation.
Good luck Dak.
 

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If you say so, but that's you. That's not me and I don't believe it's the team and who cares what the media believes?
Because I think it’s important to grasp what the general criticism and consensus is . Which is based on Dak is our guy. Otherwise we live in a bubble completely engulfed in our own beliefs.

If you aren’t sold Dak is our guy then this doesn’t apply to you. But that’s not the message we’ve been receiving from the Cowboys.
 

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We really don’t know if any of them would have made it here. Anymore than we know if Dak would have made it anywhere else.

Last I checked neither of them have an NFL team. So for now, all 32 teams are like, "Nah." But perhaps one of them will become Nick Foles one day.
 
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