Irvin88_4life
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Irvin of course.If I had to pick two receivers it would be Jerry Rice and Randy Moss.
Who would you pick?
I think Moss was better than Jerry Rice though
Irvin of course.If I had to pick two receivers it would be Jerry Rice and Randy Moss.
Who would you pick?
You don't know if he would have had Rice numbers or not. Just like you don't know if Sanders would have had Emmitt numbers on Dallas. Sanders had good OL but they looked worst because he danced in the backfield so much.I find that comment completely laughable. Im sure Irvin would have better numbers. But no chance does he have Rice or Moss numbers.
Irvin was known for leadership, route running , hands, toughness. Didnt need Montana and Bill Walsh to see that. And you didnt need them to see that he didnt have the deep speed, the separation, or the YAC to be on that level.
Irvin of course.
I think Moss was better than Jerry Rice though
But......Jerry actually played on more stacked teams than Emmitt. His supporting cast had a combined 69 Pro Bowls and 18 All-Pro (1st Team) selections between them. If you include his offensive lines, that makes 126 Pro Bowls and 33 All-Pro selections. By comparison, Emmitt's supporting cast had 48 Pro Bowls and 14 All-Pro selections.
Jerry also played six more seasons than Emmitt, so if you’re simply looking at each player’s career, year-for-year and counting the number of teammates that played in a Pro Bowl or chosen as an All Pro your whole premise is flawed.
This is so obviously fundamentally flawed it’s laughable.
And when he wasn't getting the ball, he was blocking...very well!
If you want to end the argument about it was him or his line, just watch games when emmitt wasn't in the lineup.
Ends that argument quick.
Actually Barry did need the spread formation. I forget what year it was, but Detroit tried to run Barry behind a lead blocker and it was a disaster. They had to go back to the spread, or run and shoot, whatever it was, and Barry still managed to lead the league in rushing. But for the first 3-4 games he was completely ineffective. They usually took him out in GL situations too. I'm pretty sure it was in an episode of "A Football Life".
Been saying this for years. I’ve maintained that Jerry Rice is the receiver analog to Emmitt Smith as running back. Great post.
No, that's not at all what I'm doing. My point was that Emmitt gets penalized for the teammates he had while other all-time greats get a pass.
No, that’s literally what you did.
You looked at the total number of Pro Bowls/All Pro teammates each player played with over the course of their careers.
Of course Emmitt’s total number will be less because he played six less seasons than Rice did.
Not really, but we'll agree to disagree. But I like how you ignored the point I was trying to make.
Jordan retired twice. Stockton is the only big name guy one from the 1984 draft that played the full 20 season from 1984-85 to 2002-2003
Jordan retired twice. Stockton is the only big name guy one from the 1984 draft that played the full 20 season from 1984-85 to 2002-2003
You don't know if he would have had Rice numbers or not. Just like you don't know if Sanders would have had Emmitt numbers on Dallas. Sanders had good OL but they looked worst because he danced in the backfield so much.
I just finished reading a BTB article that talks about this, and I saw in the comments that even Cowboys fans sell Emmitt short in this discussion. Without trying to sound biased, here are my thoughts on it:
Jerry Rice is the equivalent of Emmitt Smith at the wide receiver position. Just like Emmitt does for running back, he holds the majority of the major NFL records for receivers.
They also have a couple of career parallels: They both slid in the draft because of concerns over their measurables at the NFL Combine. Neither was the first player selected at their position in their drafts. They both won 3 Super Bowls. They even retired the same year.
But......Jerry actually played on more stacked teams than Emmitt. His supporting cast had a combined 69 Pro Bowls and 18 All-Pro (1st Team) selections between them. If you include his offensive lines, that makes 126 Pro Bowls and 33 All-Pro selections. By comparison, Emmitt's supporting cast had 48 Pro Bowls and 14 All-Pro selections.
If Jerry Rice is widely considered the GOAT wide receiver and gets a pass for the teammates he played with, why does Emmitt Smith get penalized for his teammates when his name is mentioned as an all-time great?
Emmitt's supporting cast was top-notch, but HE was the most important and indispensable out of the group. Even with all the talent that Emmitt had surrounding him, teams still feared him the most when they played the Cowboys. He routinely faced defenses stacked with 8 and 9 men in the box. They wanted to take their chances with the passing game and not let Emmitt get going.
I have a little bit more to add, but for right now I'll leave off here and give you a link to the article below:
https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...itt-smith-is-also-the-greatest-rb-of-all-time
I'm a Cowboys homer cause I think Irvin was the only player from the Cowboys to be the best at his position....... unless you include Deion Sanders atTherefore you can say any outlandish thing you want?
Saying you never know for sure isn't a credible position. All it means is you have nothing else. Watched Jerry, Irvin, and Moss for all of their careers. Dont need to look at stats. Both Moss and Rice were in another league. And that's coming from a Cowboys fan.
But I admire your homer devotion to the Cowboys. Just not your opinion in a rational football debate.