Dak career record vs winning teams vs Brees, Wentz and Roger

[Aviano90]

I am sick and tire of Dak critics pulling the Eagles game out their axx. (LOL) Dak has played 64+ games, yet they keep going back to the 2019 Eagles game(s) ( the bad one, NOT both ). Not a QB that's ever played in NFL didn't have some real stinkers ( Romo, Troy, Staubach ). Look, I'm just saying one bad game doesn't come close to qualifying a player's career for any position, especially QB.

The same people who constantly bring up the Eagles games are the same posters who defend all of Romo’s stinkers in big games. Just saying.

 

[Hadenough]

I'll post this again.
In our wins our offense averaged 37 PPG and our D gave up 17.1 PPG
In our losses our offense averaged 17.1 PPG and our D gave up 19.6 PPG

It doesn't take a genious to see where the biggest dropoff was

WOW! I knew Dak struggled against better competition but those numbers are night and day. These are the type of stats that break down the over all stat of having a #2 offense. All the numbers are piled on against bad teams. But some here dont want to see this.

 

[phildadon86]

Dak can't seem to scored against the better teams. I agree just about any QB could lead the Cowboys to 3 field goals.

Dak scored just fine against winning teams up until last season. But sure. Let’s judge his whole career on one season where the team quit on the head coach. Lol. Some of you are insufferable

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

[QUOTE="phildadon86, post: 10324374, member: 24093"]Dak scored just fine against winning teams up until last season. But sure. Let’s judge his whole career on one season where the team quit on the head coach. Lol. Some of you are insufferable[/QUOTE]

In 2018 we played 7 games (not including playoffs) against teams with winning records our offense averaged 16 PPG and we went 3-4. We beat Philly twice and they were the only team we scored over 20 against (twice), other 5 games were 13,16,14,13, 0

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I am sick and tire of Dak critics pulling the Eagles game out their axx. (LOL) Dak has played 64+ games, yet they keep going back to the 2019 Eagles game(s) ( the bad one, NOT both ). Not a QB that's ever played in NFL didn't have some real stinkers ( Romo, Troy, Staubach ). Look, I'm just saying one bad game doesn't come close to qualifying a player's career for any position, especially QB.

You don't like the Eagles game well how about the Broncos who sent the message to the entire league on how to beat us.....STOP Zeke and win!
Now let's go down memory lane, shall we.......Remember the Colts game? How about when Zeke was out and Lemon Dak went without 1 TD for 15 str8 Quarters of offense!!!
Moving along...how about last season as his regression continued with him being unable to beat any team whos defense had a pulse.
In the last 3 seasons, he is 27-21 of which 10 of those wins are against the Giants and Skins!
Dak is roadkill and the sooner you accept it the better Cowboy fan you will be!

 

[glimmerman]

Dak scored just fine against winning teams up until last season. But sure. Let’s judge his whole career on one season where the team quit on the head coach. Lol. Some of you are insufferable

The ST killed us.. When you have a top rated Offense from yards gained and are 8-8!! That’s because of where we started our drives from. Cost us a few games by itself. And yes the players and even certain staff gave up on JG. Same way he got his job is the same way he lost it..

 

[MikeB80]

I always find this metric pretty foolish.

Does winning team mean winning record at the end of the year or when they played? Because that is two different things.

for instance if you played a good team in week 4 and their starting qb was having an mvp year and you beat them....then in week 6 this qb goes to IR and the team is terrible the rest of the way and finishes 5-11 but you beat them when they were 3-0.....then you beat a winning team....but you didn't beat a winning team by this standard in this thread if they ended up 5-11.

 

[MikeB80]

Dak scored just fine against winning teams up until last season. But sure. Let’s judge his whole career on one season where the team quit on the head coach. Lol. Some of you are insufferable

they didn't quit on the staff until after the vikings game and from what I know behind the scenes it was during the week the crap hit the fan. Then it appeared that everyone checked out.

This would probably not have happened if Dak didn't throw the ball into the ground behind zeke on 4th down. If he makes that play they win that game most likely and there is no beef between the staff and the coaches.

The issue that set everything off was the fair catch situation. That was the end.

 

[Hennessy_King]

they didn't quit on the staff until after the vikings game and from what I know behind the scenes it was during the week the crap hit the fan. Then it appeared that everyone checked out.

This would probably not have happened if Dak didn't throw the ball into the ground behind zeke on 4th down. If he makes that play they win that game most likely and there is no beef between the staff and the coaches.

The issue that set everything off was the fair catch situation. That was the end.

That was one of daks best games of the year. lol. So now that we have this stat out of the way whats the next one that will be used to discredit dak?

 

[bigE79]

That’s a lie. The rest of Dak’s performance indicators have been discussed over and over again on the board.

This post is about his win/loss record against winning teams.

I didn’t say anything disingenuous at all.

But please, try to argue that Dak being on Jason Garrett coached teams that consistently have defenses that suck at forcing turnovers and have mediocre to awful special teams, has given him any superior advantage to winning games versus the other QB’s listed in the OP.

You gonna add that argument for Romos career,cause you're describing exactly what happened to him.

 

[Hennessy_King]

You gonna add that argument for Romos career,cause you're describing exactly what happened to him.

Romo had better defenses than dak it ain't even close

 

[Hadenough]

Dak scored just fine against winning teams up until last season. But sure. Let’s judge his whole career on one season where the team quit on the head coach. Lol. Some of you are insufferable

Or we could go back to 2017 when Dak was raped by Denver, Atlanta, Philly, Chargers all games that Dallas needed and Dak looked terrible. That's just off memory. Somewhere in there the Raiders game was saved by Jeff Heath too.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Or we could go back to 2017 when Dak was raped by Denver, Atlanta, Philly, Chargers all games that Dallas needed and Dak looked terrible. That's just off memory. Somewhere in there the Raiders game was saved by Jeff Heath too.

So sad yet so true.......

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[phildadon86]

they didn't quit on the staff until after the vikings game and from what I know behind the scenes it was during the week the crap hit the fan. Then it appeared that everyone checked out.

This would probably not have happened if Dak didn't throw the ball into the ground behind zeke on 4th down. If he makes that play they win that game most likely and there is no beef between the staff and the coaches.

The issue that set everything off was the fair catch situation. That was the end.

It wouldn’t have happened if the coaching staff didn’t call the play to zeke after the owner came out and said he needs the ball more. Garrett was doing what daddy told him.

 

[phildadon86]

Or we could go back to 2017 when Dak was raped by Denver, Atlanta, Philly, Chargers all games that Dallas needed and Dak looked terrible. That's just off memory. Somewhere in there the Raiders game was saved by Jeff Heath too.

What were Zekes numbers in those games again? Just curious. Also. Was he also not missing one of the best left tackles in football?

 

[Ranched]

 

[MikeB80]

It wouldn’t have happened if the coaching staff didn’t call the play to zeke after the owner came out and said he needs the ball more. Garrett was doing what daddy told him.

Cobb was wide open. he never even looked at him.

 

[phildadon86]

Cobb was wide open. he never even looked at him.

Must be nice to sit back from your couch and dissect plays. Every time I hear that I know you have never played. Things are a lot different on the field friend.

 

[JoeKing]

That’s a lie. The rest of Dak’s performance indicators have been discussed over and over again on the board.

This post is about his win/loss record against winning teams.

I didn’t say anything disingenuous at all.

But please, try to argue that Dak being on Jason Garrett coached teams that consistently have defenses that suck at forcing turnovers and have mediocre to awful special teams, has given him any superior advantage to winning games versus the other QB’s listed in the OP.

What is your problem? What do you not understand about W/L record being a team stat, not a QB stat? You need it so desperately but it's just not a stat on any one individual player.

 

[khiladi]

Cooper wasn't with the Cowboys for the first 2 1/2 years Dak was QB. Are you really saying Dak was "absolute garbage" for 2 1/2 years?

As for being "absolute garbage" when Tyron Smith was out, you should check your facts. I assume you are going by the 8 sack game when Green played, which obviously was not Dak's fault, but the overall stats do not support your claim. He sucked against the Raiders and the Giants during that stretch Zeke was out and couldn’t put up more than single digits against the winning teams he played. The team is 7-4 in those games, and Dak threw 17 TD's to 6 INT's, added 4 more rushing TDs and averaged 269 yards passing per game. 2 of the 4 losses were when both Tyron and Zeke were out, and one of them was the 8 sack game that Green was responsible for. For obvious reasons I'm not including the last game of 2016 where Dak only played the first possession or two.

As for Zeke, Dak definitely had some poor showings when Zeke was out, and a couple of others that were decent. I think now it would be less of a problem because the offense was structured then to rely as much on the run as the pass, and last year they opened up the passing game. I think because of that Dak would be better equipped now.

I clearly qualified when Dak was absolute garbage in that 2 and a half year period.. and yes, he was absolute garbage when Tyson was out. He threw for 93 yards against a garbage Skins team and we still won, so it is your that needs to check the facts. When Smith was out this year, he was garbage against the Jets and GB and all his yardage was in garbage time. And the last game of the season against a battered Commanders team in a meaningless game when the Cowboys were out of the play-off picture isn’t something special, nor are wins against the garbage Giants to end the season with no repercussions in winning or losing.

So yeah, he was garbage, but the team won. I didn’t say we never won or Dak didn’t pad stats when we lost.. As I’ve said, the issue is not whether or not a talented Dallas team can overcome Dak’s limitations.