First team defense (training camp)

[Stash]

Idc who they would start because it hasn't worked. My outside 2 would be diggs and lewis with brown and chido battling over the nickel. Chido is great in the nickel role. He was graded the best corner blitzer while at colorado. Opens up a lot of possibilities for the staff to work with. He also can play stout in the run game. Also big enough to be physical with TE's. He's just weak in a 1v1 island type setting. He wasn't even our best outside corner in 2017. It was J lew.

I don't think the scheme he was asked to play in did Chico any favors. I'm optimistic that in this new one, he won't continue to be a second late all the time.

 

[Clove]

What starts one day isn't necessarily going to be what starts another day.

 

[cern]

i am most curious to see if the new d-acks coach can actually get our corners to turn and look for the ball. that's something they haven't done in years. you can't always have the receiver playing in front of you.

 

[cern]

yup. I know it's cringe to think ty craw can start at 1t

i wish he could play like a starter. position flex is great in the bedroom, but not worth much on the field. jack of all trades, master of none.

 

[Stash]

i wish he could play like a starter. position flex is great in the bedroom, but not worth much on the field. jack of all trades, master of none.

Even the idea of it is a lie.

Position flex would require that he actually be good at playing RDE, and the fact is that he isn't, not by a longshot. Not only is he clearly a non-factor in the pass rush, but the myth that he's more stout against the run there isn't supported by facts either.

Anyone suggesting otherwise should actually pout in the work, do the research, and find out just how many sacks he's gotten from the RDE position. (Spoiler alert, you can count the number over the past three years on one hand with fingers to spare!)

What he is at this point - at best - is a rotational, sub defensive tackle. And his salary and roster position should reflect that accordingly.

 

[Future]

Nickel defense is basically the new base defense in today's NFL. Plus, there's no contact in these initial practices so I don't think they're doing much running other than a walkthrough.

There's no "basically" about it.

Nickel is base.

 

[Hennessy_King]

i wish he could play like a starter. position flex is great in the bedroom, but not worth much on the field. jack of all trades, master of none.

Preach

 

[JohnsKey19]

Smith already starting at DE?

Nice

When Griffen is able to practice, I would think he's your starter. And Smith is the sub package DE.

 

[quickccc]

I don't think the scheme he was asked to play in did Chico any favors. I'm optimistic that in this new one, he won't continue to be a second late all the time.

if this coverage scheme is also press-jam man scheme under DB coach Al Harris as its' said to be,..how is Awuzie gonna be any different (better) than what he was under Kris Richard...??

 

[quickccc]

i am most curious to see if the new d-acks coach can actually get our corners to turn and look for the ball. that's something they haven't done in years. you can't always have the receiver playing in front of you.

that's why i believe it's gonna be a new scouting emphasis with drafting DBs with ball skills - something i thought was in the plans when we drafted Brown and Chido, with only Lewis being the only one that may make the play on the ball in air.

But when you look at Chido college numbers and his tape, that's not a ball hawk, but it was something about him being able to play the slot as well as outside that seemed to be a big attraction with the scouting dept. at the time.

 

[Stash]

if this coverage scheme is also press-jam man scheme under DB coach Al Harris as its' said to be,..how is Awuzie gonna be any different (better) than what he was under Kris Richard...??

I’ve seen some reports and film study that show that the scheme was putting Awuzie in bad positions. We’ll see if that was the case.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I’ve seen some reports and film study that show that the scheme was putting Awuzie in bad positions. We’ll see if that was the case.

I'm telling you go look at chido's college tape and tell me what you see. He should be our nickel inside corner. He would actually be very very good there. That's where he made his plays in college that and at safety he didn't do too much ballin on the outside

 

[Stash]

I'm telling you go look at chido's college tape and tell me what you see. He should be our nickel inside corner. He would actually be very very good there. That's where he made his plays in college that and at safety he didn't do too much ballin on the outside

I will do that. Thanks.

 

[cern]

that's why i believe it's gonna be a new scouting emphasis with drafting DBs with ball skills - something i thought was in the plans when we drafted Brown and Chido, with only Lewis being the only one that may make the play on the ball in air.

But when you look at Chido college numbers and his tape, that's not a ball hawk, but it was something about him being able to play the slot as well as outside that seemed to be a big attraction with the scouting dept. at the time.

Chido is at least capable of playing safety if need be. Better if the receiver is in front of him.

 

[quickccc]

I'm telling you go look at chido's college tape and tell me what you see. He should be our nickel inside corner. He would actually be very very good there. That's where he made his plays in college that and at safety he didn't do too much ballin on the outside

Once we get pass chuckling (again) about Drew Pearson vs Philly fans at the NFL Draft ...Check out Todd McShay's analysis vid on CB Awuzie.- with his strengths/weaknesses..

 

[Hennessy_King]

Once we get pass chuckling (again) about Drew Pearson vs Philly fans at the NFL Draft ...Check out Todd McShay's analysis vid on CB Awuzie.- with his strengths/weaknesses..

It's almost like I know what im talking about. Imagine taking that guy and playing him outside lol. Now go watch Jourdan Lewis' tape. Why can't this team play to a player's strengths. It's so damn frustrating

 

[quickccc]

I'm telling you go look at chido's college tape and tell me what you see. He should be our nickel inside corner. He would actually be very very good there. That's where he made his plays in college that and at safety he didn't do too much ballin on the outside

i actually like Chido at CB better- whether outside or inside slot than i do Anthony Brown ..and think he would actually be
our best pure man coverage slot guy by the way he tends to toughly plays underneath.

He won't get the break on the ball INTs that Jourdan Lewis would, but i don't think he would
get lit up like a Xmas tree in pass game vs quality WRs like Lewis does.

 

[Hennessy_King]

i actually like Chido at CB better- whether outside or inside slot than i do Anthony Brown ..and think he would actually be
our best pure man coverage slot guy by the way he tends to toughly plays underneath.

He won't get the break on the ball INTs that Jourdan Lewis would, but i don't think he would
get lit up like a Xmas tree in pass game vs quality WRs like Lewis does.

huh. chido gets lit up every single game. He's so bad they don't bother throwing to the other side of the field. His problems in college are the exact way they are now. He's a LB in a corner's body. he should be playing inside slot point blank period. and lewis is the best mirror cover corner on the team with actual instincts.

 

[quickccc]

It's almost like I know what im talking about. Imagine taking that guy and playing him outside lol. Now go watch Jourdan Lewis' tape. Why can't this team play to a player's strengths. It's so damn frustrating

It seems to work best to evaluate those players to see if their strengths and skill set fit what scheme you want to run ...

- you don't ask CB Ronde Barber to press-jam and go hip to hip, stride for stride downfield with a speed WR, when his long speed
puts him at a disadvantage, so you place him in a Cover 2 scheme, where he is protected, where he can give a cushion, keep WRs
in front, read route and break on the ball going forward.

- you don't ask safety John Lynch to match up with athletic TEs or slot wrs, when he's bereft of athleticism and foot quickness to match up in man coverage, so you play him in a zone scheme where he can keep plays in front of him and make plays on the ball in flight or lay a pop on the receivers venturing into his territory

- you don't put byron jones in a zone scheme where he is uncomfortable off of a WR, playing wth a cushion, or have him in space
or zone coverage where he gets lost; you place him as close to the line of scrimmage, have him as many press situations as possible
that he bests plays comfortable with.

- Under DC Rod Marinelli what kind of CBs was he seeking to acquire here - before Kris Richard eventually arrived on board ?
Only one prior clearly fit what Richard preferred.

 

[Hennessy_King]

It seems to work best to evaluate those players to see if their strengths and skill set fit what scheme you want to run ...

- you don't ask CB Ronde Barber to press-jam and go hip to hip, stride for stride downfield with a speed WR, when his long speed
puts him at a disadvantage, so you place him in a Cover 2 scheme, where he is protected, where he can give a cushion, keep WRs
in front, read route and break on the ball going forward.

- you don't ask safety John Lynch to match up with athletic TEs or slot wrs, when he's bereft of athleticism and foot quickness to match up in man coverage, so you play him in a zone scheme where he can keep plays in front of him and make plays on the ball in flight or lay a pop on the receivers venturing into his territory

- you don't put byron jones in a zone scheme where he is uncomfortable off of a WR, playing wth a cushion, or have him in space
or zone coverage where he gets lost; you place him as close to the line of scrimmage, have him as many press situations as possible
that he bests plays comfortable with.

- Under DC Rod Marinelli what kind of CBs was he seeking to acquire here - before Kris Richard eventually arrived on board ?
Only one prior clearly fit what Richard preferred.

are you disagreeing/agreeing? or just making conversation like we're on a date. doesn't matter to me just want to know where I stand