Are Cowboys over invested at receiver?

[blueblood70]

They aren't over invested but have been fortunate to get the value they have at WR.
With Noah Brown and Ced Wilson playing well WR is easily the deepest and best position on the team.
But only 1 guy is on a non-rookie contract.
It's a cheap group aside from Cooper.
Gallup and CeeDee were ridiculous draft values.

yup and i truly believe if the draft happened before the FA market, AC would have had to leave or take a lot less to stay..hey arent costly and can be used to trade sown the road ..rights now its non issue

how much does Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, and Watkins make over in KC yet they drafted Hardeman just in case etc etc with player like Mahomes do you need all that waste at WR and on that side of the ball??!!

 

[Diehardblues]

They aren't over invested but have been fortunate to get the value they have at WR.
With Noah Brown and Ced Wilson playing well WR is easily the deepest and best position on the team.
But only 1 guy is on a non-rookie contract.
It's a cheap group aside from Cooper.
Gallup and CeeDee were ridiculous draft values.

I see an imbalance of talent . Is this a winning recipe?

 

[BBGTYCOON]

No. You can't over-invest at WR. The passing game matters far more than anything else in the modern NFL.

The secondary will look a lot better once the top two corners are healthy, and it's not like the resources put into WR have prevented them from getting a safety anyway.

Not really Chido and Brown are mediocre cb's who both have good speed and that's it.

 

[Zman5]

Yes I agree. But you have to continue trying. This thread was about not using that draft capital with our 1st pick this year instead another shiny wheel on offense.

Yeh I'm not saying we don't keep trying but they need to change the way they are evaluating defensive talent or we will be in the same position 5 years later.

They need to stop going after "bargains". Guys who dropped in the draft because of injury issues or personal problems. Drafting guys based mainly on athleticism or how well they did at the combine. etc...etc.

 

[pansophy]

One way to create matchup problems for the other team is to be "over invested" in a position like WR. They simply don't have enough good corners to cover our guys. It's those kinds of match up problems that make it so that guys like Wilson can have a career game.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

But think of how many #88 jerseys Jerry can sell.

I don't have a problem with the Lamb pick because they still got Diggs in the second round. Extending Jaylon rather than Byron was a mistake. Jerry took a chance on Jaylon after his injury and so wanted to believe he got a steal that he had to make a big deal of extending him.

I don't care how many picks Byron didn't have he could at least cover guys, which is more than I can say for the guys playing instead of him.

Exactly, and Lamb almost ended up with Philly. If nothing else, that's helped make the Eagles less relevant.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They aren't.

Cowboys handled this well. They had corners waiting in the wings in Brown, Chido and Lewis. And drafted Robinson and Diggs. The problem is the corners waiting in the wings never got developed and they just changed staffs. So basically its starting over in their development again. And it doesn't make things any better that they are all hurt.

 

[CouchCoach]

Greatest show on turf never had this question.

They didn't have a dominant defense, but they had a D that could get turnovers.

That is where we should be looking at, not breaking up another dominant group on our team like what happened to the OL lately.

The greatest show on turf had the greatest D in the league the year they won. It was the dismantling of the D, just like the Cowboys when FA come into being, that derailed them.

 

[pansophy]

Exactly, and Lamb almost ended up with Philly. If nothing else, that's helped make the Eagles less relevant.

Everyone talks about drafting the BPA, but when teams do it then there are complaints about not needing that position. It was a dream scenario to get Lamb at all. Diggs isn't so bad. He is growing on me a lot.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

But think of how many #88 jerseys Jerry can sell.

I don't have a problem with the Lamb pick because they still got Diggs in the second round. Extending Jaylon rather than Byron was a mistake. Jerry took a chance on Jaylon after his injury and so wanted to believe he got a steal that he had to make a big deal of extending him.

I don't care how many picks Byron didn't have he could at least cover guys, which is more than I can say for the guys playing instead of him.

The decision was never Jaylon or Byron though. Cowboys chose not to bring back Byron for the price he commanded and that was the correct decision.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Everyone talks about drafting the BPA, but when teams do it then there are complaints about not needing that position. It was a dream scenario to get Lamb at all. Diggs isn't so bad. He is growing on me a lot.

Exactly, and Diggs has been good for a rookie with no preseason. I think Lamb and Diggs were the right choices. The problem is we don't have much at safety, and the best our FO could do in the offseason as far as FA goes was sign Haha Clinton-Dix. Luckily, there are still options available at S such as ET if Jerry wants to fix that.

 

[jterrell]

I'm not sure what you are trying to point out. My point is we tried but we haven't drafted well on the defensive side. That's why we are in this position. The imbalance is due to drafting bad. It has nothing to do with only drafting offense. You have to draft better on defensive side.

Gallup was a 3rd round pick. Dak was a 4th round pick. Shultz a 6th round, Collins and Jarwin were undrafted.

Who on the defensive side gives us the kind of productions those guys have given who were picked in late round. Even the guys picked in higher round hasn't given us that kind of productions.

Ehh, this is just recency bias.
Dallas may have drafted quite well in Trysten Hill, Trevon Diggs and others.
But it looks quite bad with ABrown, Chido, LVE on IR and you let the drafted BJ31 go in FA because he got paid a boatload of cash.

DAL has blown some recent OFF picks imho with Connor Williams being spare, Tony Pollard proving of zero value yet, Connor McGovern not doing a thing...

Xavier Woods was a round 6 guy and starter.
Bradley Anae is the round 5 rookie that looks like a good pass rusher.
Anthony Brown is out hurt but was CB1 as a former round 6 pick.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

They aren't.

Cowboys handled this well. They had corners waiting in the wings in Brown, Chido and Lewis. And drafted Robinson and Diggs. The problem is the corners waiting in the wings never got developed and they just changed staffs. So basically its starting over in their development again. And it doesn't make things any better that they are all hurt.

And a lack of preseason helped them to be able to get game experience without it counting toward the record.

 

[kumizi]

Yes, they are.

But I still think taking Lamb was the right pick because he was the best available player.

However, they need to be thinking about moving Gallup or Lamb for a player equally talented at a position of need.

 

[CouchCoach]

Ehh, this is just recency bias.
Dallas may have drafted quite well in Trysten Hill, Trevon Diggs and others.
But it looks quite bad with ABrown, Chido, LVE on IR and you let the drafted BJ31 go in FA because he got paid a boatload of cash.

DAL has blown some recent OFF picks imho with Connor Williams being spare, Tony Pollard proving of zero value yet, Connor McGovern not doing a thing...

Xavier Woods was a round 6 guy and starter.
Bradley Anae is the round 5 rookie that looks like a good pass rusher.
Anthony Brown is out hurt but was CB1 as a former round 6 pick.

On this D, the bolded isn't saying much.

 

[kumizi]

Ehh, this is just recency bias.
Dallas may have drafted quite well in Trysten Hill, Trevon Diggs and others.
But it looks quite bad with ABrown, Chido, LVE on IR and you let the drafted BJ31 go in FA because he got paid a boatload of cash.

Top 3 picks before this year: Taco, LVE, Hill

That is a huge bust overall even with Hill looking like a rotation player instead of a bust.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Straight defense all next draft

As long as they take a Safety, a LB and an SEC DT in the first three picks, I’ll be happy. After that, they can take 4 punters for all I care. And let’s skip Boise St players for a couple of drafts (even though Cedric was a super value pick).

 

[Zman5]

Ehh, this is just recency bias.
Dallas may have drafted quite well in Trysten Hill, Trevon Diggs and others.
But it looks quite bad with ABrown, Chido, LVE on IR and you let the drafted BJ31 go in FA because he got paid a boatload of cash.

DAL has blown some recent OFF picks imho with Connor Williams being spare, Tony Pollard proving of zero value yet, Connor McGovern not doing a thing...

Xavier Woods was a round 6 guy and starter.
Bradley Anae is the round 5 rookie that looks like a good pass rusher.
Anthony Brown is out hurt but was CB1 as a former round 6 pick.

I'm not sure the example you are giving are good examples.

X Woods? Really? He's a starter but what has he done so far? He even looks worse this year than previous years which were average at best. Anae? Really? He might turn out to be something but he has played barely 20 snaps so for in his NFL career. And A. Brown has gotten toasted as often as any CB we had past 10 years.

I've posted 10 years of bad to average draft picks drafted in first 3 rounds. Tell me who there has shown consistent production matching their draft status. And I don't consider one great year as showing consistency.

Byron Jones may be the closest one and for some reason we chose to pay other players instead of him. Another bad decision on building the defense.

 

[blueblood70]

The decision was never Jaylon or Byron though. Cowboys chose not to bring back Byron for the price he commanded and that was the correct decision.

true and its just bad luck sometimes its not blue print to go heavy on offense, it worked out that way but they did on defense

Draft Jaylon and LVE who at first looked like a bright future at LB
Paid Lawerence
Drafted Hill -TBD
Gregory keeps getting suspended but has talent to have been a great player..


Brought in quinn but one great year he asked for too much money so they tried to get the DL patched up with Mccoy, Poe, Asmith, and Griffen and it might work out to bridge to soem of the recent draft picks for DL/DE

on the S/DB issues they ahd dragft a few that bought in Woods, Jones, AWuzie and Lewis..briwn not bad fa or did we draft him as well..

now we got Diggs TBD

we just had more player son offense work out..

so again not for lack of trying..
I mean to those saying we should have taken Ramsey over zeke because CB/S are harder to find, why di the rams and jets let thers go? MIa traded theres away as well..

if this were true they should have held onto them shouldnt they , i mean shoot they are scarce..hmm..

I get ti defense look's ignored, it wasnt way back int he day when old MO and Jenkins played Mo was high draft pick that more bad luck ie injury played role.. newman was good but not great Carr solid but overpaid..

they simply have tried and failed more on the defense..

Guys like Gallup and others on offense simply were hit on, they are growing's even dak a 4th rounder stealing LC yada yada yada

DHB is trying to insinuate we ignore that side and i say we just struck out more over there..some drafts the guys we wanted were taken or someone jumped us to get them

and sure the FO made few errors as many teams well all teams do by passing on player say like Watt but that happens all over the nfl..

Noones perfect

 

[Diehardblues]

The decision was never Jaylon or Byron though. Cowboys chose not to bring back Byron for the price he commanded and that was the correct decision.

It may have been the correct decision on its face financially but if it cumulatively has effects on results then it can be called into question if letting key defensive talents walk while signing key offensive talents was best for the teams results.

The decisions are always subjective in nature pending the results of the team. Teams have to make the decisions but we are allowed to second guess then after the fact.