Are Cowboys over invested at receiver?

[buybuydandavis]

I’m not disputing Lambs talent. I’m suggesting it was a luxury pick we couldn’t afford that hasn’t placed us any closer to a championship run this year for not addressing more pressing needs with positions of weakness which will more likely prevent us from a deeper on run.

I'm for drafting, and player acquisition generally, for the long haul, not just to make *this* year the best. Spend assets for long term value. Particularly draft picks. Don't pick for need, pick for long term value. Lamb was *by far* the BPA.

If we want to fill holes *this* year, fill them on the cheap in free agency. And yes, on the cheap. Free agency *not* on the cheap is the worst cap value in the league.

If you want to complain about *this* year, complain about them not getting better S help in free agency, and then just giving up on Dix. AFAIK, he's not injured. Should have just kept Dix and hoped he turned it around unless and until we picked up another veteran free agent S.

Could also complain about them not doing more at C. Joe is a fine backup, but not a guy we should *plan* on as the starter for a season.

 

[Jfconrow]

I think so, but maybe not because it’s working and also Amari doesn’t look all that healthy. Gallup, Lamb, and Wilson sounds pretty good. Gallup is up for a new contract plus he’s maybe playing better then Cooper so what do you do then? I think you have to sign Gallup. If it comes between Cooper and Gallup, I’m signing Gallup and trade Cooper or cut him for a 3rd or 4th Comp pick. Doesn’t have to be this year could be done next year. Right now I’m running 4 WR set with Zeke and trying to figure out how to get Pollard and Shultz more in the game. Swain too, I’m hoping he comes on. Regardless if you can trade one of the WRs and get a starting OG I think that’s tempting

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm for drafting, and player acquisition generally, for the long haul, not just to make *this* year the best. Spend assets for long term value. Particularly draft picks. Don't pick for need, pick for long term value. Lamb was *by far* the BPA.

If we want to fill holes *this* year, fill them on the cheap in free agency. And yes, on the cheap. Free agency *not* on the cheap is the worst cap value in the league.

If you want to complain about *this* year, complain about them not getting better S help in free agency, and then just giving up on Dix. AFAIK, he's not injured. Should have just kept Dix and hoped he turned it around unless and until we picked up another veteran free agent S.

Could also complain about them not doing more at C. Joe is a fine backup, but not a guy we should *plan* on as the starter for a season.

Picking BPA if it’s not a position of need is a recipe for failure in Cap era.

BPA in Cap era has new meaning than era of old where could stockpile talent.

Lamb is a luxury pick a #1 offense couldn’t afford with so many needs on defense.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I'm fine w/ Lamb. However, drafting him does push the real problems further down the road. It ensures that we're another year away from contention. As I said, I'm OK w/ that. But, until we fix the DLine, Lamb won't matter.

I didn't see anything close a value pick on the dline with our 1st pick. Didn't want Chaisson. There was some DT up the stack I wanted but he was gone like 5 picks before we picked.

Lamb even looks like the biggest bang for the buck for *this* year. He makes our offense better. Probably heading for All Rookie Team.

Everything is a trade off. You can win w/o great DTs. You need to be better elsewhere to make up for it. Lamb makes us better elsewhere.

 

[RonnieT24]

I didn't see anything close a value pick on the dline with our 1st pick. Didn't want Chaisson. There was some DT up the stack I wanted but he was gone like 5 picks before we picked.

Lamb even looks like the biggest bang for the buck for *this* year. He makes our offense better. Probably heading for All Rookie Team.

Everything is a trade off. You can win w/o great DTs. You need to be better elsewhere to make up for it. Lamb makes us better elsewhere.

This is legit. There are literally dozens of ways to skin the proverbial cat. Plus I repeat, the Cowboys signed what should have been 4 pretty good free agent defensive linemen in the offseason. One of them actually is.. One got hurt, the other two are underperforming. But I would strongly contend that nobody available where the Cowboys were sitting in the draft would be doing any more.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Lamb is way to skinny to be wearing that 88 jersey. Should have let him have 10.

Drew Pearson was slim too. The Original 88.

 

[buybuydandavis]

This is legit. There are literally dozens of ways to skin the proverbial cat. Plus I repeat, the Cowboys signed what should have been 4 pretty good free agent defensive linemen in the offseason. One of them actually is.. One got hurt, the other two are underperforming. But I would strongly contend that nobody available where the Cowboys were sitting in the draft would be doing any more.

I still have hope for getting more out of Griffen. Poe has been steadily improving.

Some of the "poor play" is probably defensive coaches still figuring things out too.

 

[Big_D]

That is what Booger was thinking. I think he was wrong and should treated that 1st he traded away as a bust, just like Charleton.

Cooper was better than most thought he was going to be coming to Dallas but 20M for WR when they're paying 15M for a RB and 31M+ for a QB is ridiculous. No team can do that and fill out the rest of the team with quality.

He should've seen this coming, but he never does. No long term thought process whatsoever. I'm really hoping McCarthy can change that... eventually!

 

[kskboys]

They did have a void at receiver. You need 3 or 4 solid receivers and we knew we had 2 but we didn't know what Wilson and Brown were or if they'd even be healthy.

We had a void at slot WR.

Hey, if Lamb was too good to pass up, so be it, but there's no sense in pretending WR was a need.

 

[kskboys]

Yes

But it would've been really tough to pass on CeeDee at 17. Certainly, the plan was not to invest yet another 1st rounder at WR, but he was too good to pass up at 17.

It' the best young WR group we have ever had and it may not even be close. Most expensive too if you include draft capital

26 year old Cooper---1st round pick AND 20 mil/yr
21 year old Lamb--1st round pick
24 year old Gallup--3rd rd pick

Then add in Zeke....
loaded

It is.

However, we're not going to win until we fix the D.

 

[RonnieT24]

It is.

However, we're not going to win until we fix the D.

Agreed.. we have to be able to at least hold teams to under 25. I don't think that's asking too much. Get some friggin stops when we need it. Ironically, the Cowboys have forced more punts (14) then they have kicked themselves (8). But then why punt when you can simply turn the ball over! I really think the d-line, backers and corners will be okay when we get healthy. But I have ZERO hope that the safeties will get any better without bringing in someone who can make plays back there. Thompson may have looked good in camp but he and Woods look like warm dog doo so far in real games.

 

[Buzzbait]

No, we are not over invested at WR. But we are underinvested at DB.

We had Cooper and Gallup. No way you pass on CeeDee Lamb as he fell to us in the draft.
Wilson looks to be finally healthy, as well as Brown. So that is just a great position to be in. $ or the 5 were already here.

And no, there is not any DB out there to trade for, unless some team also wants to send us a high draft pick. And it will not happen.

Jazz I totally agree with your take. I do think Diggs is going to develop into a quality CB. We probably need to go back to the draft again for another CB.
But no, we are not overinvested in WR, we're just very fortunate to have such a quality stable of WR's. You don't shoot yourself in the foot to spite your face.

However, at some point I wouldn't be surprised if they found it necessary to let Cooper go because of the cap cost. They have younger WRs who are equally good.

 

[Batman1980]

Lamb was a luxury pick and I will continue to see it that way as long as we have issues at OL and defense.

 

[kskboys]

I didn't see anything close a value pick on the dline with our 1st pick. Didn't want Chaisson. There was some DT up the stack I wanted but he was gone like 5 picks before we picked.

Lamb even looks like the biggest bang for the buck for *this* year. He makes our offense better. Probably heading for All Rookie Team.

Everything is a trade off. You can win w/o great DTs. You need to be better elsewhere to make up for it. Lamb makes us better elsewhere.

We say this every year, Buybuy. "Oh, he was BPA so we HAD to take him". Meanwhile, our D blows chunks.

And it's not specifically the pick of Lamb I have a problem w/. It's the over and over and over ignoring of S and DT, way too many injured players taken, and no shots at 5th rounders like Tim Settle or Grady Jarrett.

No, you cannot win a super bowl w/ too many of these tradeoffs. You've got this one wrong. Because you're not going to beat the Mahomes's of the league w/ average DT's and DE's. Not going to happen.

I guess if your goal is to win regular season games, sure, keep on taking WR's and CB's.

 

[Buzzbait]

I like Lamb. Much better than Cooper. I am impressed with both Wilson and Brown. I think we could survive without Cooper. Wison seems to have sneaky speed/burst...something this offense needs.

Seeing how bad this D is we probably should have gone and got a safety/DT in round 1...
We have given Dak more than enough weapons. That Seattle game was so winnable. Yet we keep making the same mistakes. QB turns the ball over, kick returner puts us our own 1, 2 missed extra points and the penalties...
This team is just terrible...
But the same man Jerry...he is responsible for this mess...remember that.

Don't forget Gallup!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We had a void at slot WR.

Hey, if Lamb was too good to pass up, so be it, but there's no sense in pretending WR was a need.

It was a need. They lost Randall Cobb and had no one to replace him with. I'm not saying it was a void worth taking in the 1st round but they were going to address that need at some point in the draft.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Remember when people thought we were over invested at OL?

 

[kskboys]

It was a need. They lost Randall Cobb and had no one to replace him with. I'm not saying it was a void worth taking in the 1st round but they were going to address that need at some point in the draft.

It was a round 3-5 need.

Still, Lamb looks great. Just puts us another year away.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It was a round 3-5 need.

Still, Lamb looks great. Just puts us another year away.

I don't disagree.

I think their needs were safety, secondary help, defensive lineman and than probably slot receiver.

Now initially the Lamb pick was a luxury....but when they went and got Gallimore in the 3rd round and Diggs in the 2nd round.....they made out with premium picks they very well could've got in the 1st round with Diggs and Gallimore in the 2nd. If you take Lamb first you better make up for it later on and they did.

 

[kskboys]

I don't disagree.

I think their needs were safety, secondary help, defensive lineman and than probably slot receiver.

Now initially the Lamb pick was a luxury....but when they went and got Gallimore in the 3rd round and Diggs in the 2nd round.....they made out with premium picks they very well could've got in the 1st round with Diggs and Gallimore in the 2nd. If you take Lamb first you better make up for it later on and they did.

Agree.

And it's not this one pick I have a problem w/. We've been doing this type of thing, along w/ worse stuff such as taking players falling due to injuries and stupidity, way too long