The GM is getting just what he deserves

[CouchCoach]

Yes so you are using one game. The 08 game vs the Commanders at home as proof of Romo being faked! Go check how romo played against the skins in the previous meeting. They couldn't run the ball that day for a number of reasons. Romo wasnt faked out of play calls. He was changing them because he was trying to make the offense productive. In the next meeting at washington, a critical game where romo returned from injury they had a hard time on offense to. Those were good defenses in the gibbs years in washington and then for the one year after he left in 08. Tough physical defense with a good group of linebackers and front 7 players. Dallas simply could not lineup and run the ball against them.

Pregame talk about players? Please. High risk high reward? The 07 and 08 cowboys offense was full throttle vertical passing attack. That was their game.

My recommendation is instead of relying on false stereotypes go back and watch the games.

That's a better suggestion than watching these games.

 

[MikeB80]

That's a better suggestion than watching these games.

it most certainly is. Better players and a much more likable fun team to root for.

Better brand of nfl football also.

 

[Vanilla2]

Absolutely, this is the damnedest Cowboys team I have ever watched. The TD's don't matter, only the last one.

I don't have the record book but has any team in history averaged 32pf and 36.5pa?

The 2020 Dallas Cowboys are more must watch TV than the Greatest Show on Turf and the Patriots perfect season...almost.

if they were able to start fast rather than finish fast I think we’d see those type of results. It just sucks to always be up against the clock.

 

[CouchCoach]

What's so hard to understand about PT Booger? He subscribes to the Ron Popiel Theory of Business, make an OK product, or even crappy one, and promote the hell out of it.

Booger deserves credit for being the first to admit, I don't know if he was the first to recognize it as that could have been Schramm, that the NFL is all about entertainment.

He didn't give Romo that contract because he was a deserving QB as much as he was his Tiny Tim, the main attraction. And even said as much when he said he's the only QB that can play behind this OL. He didn't want Sanders or Owens because of their play, he wanted them because of their pulling power for the media and public.

We might not like the results but he loves them and considers himself the most successful pro sports owner in history and can you argue that?

As fans, we are myopic and only see the game on the field and that's not where he plays the game. I question his decisions but not his right to make them.

 

[CouchCoach]

it most certainly is. Better players and a much more likable fun team to root for.

Better brand of nfl football also.

Yep, more like real football back then, today we've got arena ball without walls.

 

[IceStar-D7]

We knew the D would be problematic but few thought it would be this bad.

The QB is not the problem and the O is putting up a whopping 32 points a game but giving up a whoppier 36.5.

And this brings up the question of the game plan now. They just about have to go into it assuming the D is going to give up 35 to a good offense. They won't have that problem with the Giants this week, it takes them 3 games to get to 35.

If I am the HC and DC, I have to ask myself "what's going to change"? Getting some players back would surely help but when and how healthy? But the real problem is the other issue.

The other issue the coaches must face is the results of the film. Two previous weeks, those OC's saw the holes in the pass D, last week, that OC saw the huge hole in the run D. As the HC, can you fix both or fix one without making the other weaker and it's OC's choice now on any good offense. It is not the norm for a poor D to be so poor at both.

I think Mac Mike has already lost the team. You say when the hurt guys come back? They are only a little better then what's out there now. Nolan's defense has finished last a few times everywhere he has been. Why was he even hired??? Poor defense? That's giving the word "poor" a new meaning And the guys coming back on defense isn't to much better then what's already out there. IMO

 

[Redball Express]

We are just witnesses but this is all by design and the result of consciously planning this.

First off, let me say that after Rivera was gone, McC was my choice but I made an assumption that has not come to be yet. I assumed that he spent that year off, after being fired, in introspection and seeing just why his successor took his team to the NFCCG except for 3 changes on his team, the Smith's and Amos, the best FA D haul since FA began.

The GM decided on a passing HC for a run first team. Say what you will about his predecessor but he understood what this team was built to do. He was a running HC, he learned the game that way and he'd try to stay with that to a fault. But he knew the strength of his team as well as the need to protect the weakness.

The GM is so infatuated with the passing game and wants one of those high octane offenses that he spent his 1st pick on a luxury item at WR and the excuse here is "ya gotta take him at 17". Nothing against Lamb, he's a good player, but 7 other GM's passed him by for a D player and 4 for an OL. He used the pick on an O skill position on the #1 O in the league with a mediocre D and aging and disintegrating OL.

That's like being out of food and giving someone money to go to the store and they return with a new pretty watch. He is too enamored with himself and his own ego to be making that pick.

Let the best pass rusher and cover CB walk and give the WR1 20M after giving the RB 15M. Now all he needed was a HC to showcase his toys and who better than a WCO guy with two HOF QB's.

The problem with the team was the HC had been there too long and the stories were getting old and the defense was always an afterthought, both in coaching and player acquisition. So he hires a passing HC who hires a journeyman DC with little to his credit. Problem not fixed, problem disregarded.

You are not getting what you deserve, you deserve better for your support. But this GM deserves exactly what he is getting because it's all by design. Won't happen but there was another Texas GM that needed to take a walk. The one that always gets what he wants.

Interesting.

All you have here is the typical post blaming the GM for all the problems.

All of this has been discussed ad nausium in other threads before. So I read all of your post but typically like most posts..

It's devoid of real life solutions.

It's mostly venting which every one of us has to get off our chests from time to time.

I know you felt better when you typed your post and hit the send button. I would have.

But the facts remain..we have a despotic regime complete with nepotism in the N-th degree with Stephen also being in the mix.

What about him? When Jerrah finally retreats to his hatch and Stephen gets all the keys to the Empire..

Do you think anything will change?

I doubt it. Stephen will become the official GM as his father was.

We are all going to have to then post our venom at Stephen.

Nothing will change for us.

How do we fix that?

 

[MikeB80]

Yep, more like real football back then, today we've got arena ball without walls.

they have turned it into big 12 football or texas high school football. There is just no defense.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think Mac Mike has already lost the team. You say when the hurt guys come back? They are only a little better then what's out there now. Nolan's defense has finished last a few times everywhere he has been. Why was he even hired??? Poor defense? That's giving the word "poor" a new meaning

Yep, I was pretty familiar with his background and it wasn't impressive. I was very surprised as this was McC's redemption gig and he's trusting part of that to Nolan? Must be a hell of a friend.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yes, I put it all on the GM. It is the GM's job to select the HC as well as acquire the talent through the draft and FA and with some GM's, establish the identity of the team and build toward that. So, it is all his fault as this is his design.

You've got a bunch of players sleepwalking through the games and playing poorly but on all other teams, I would fault the coaching staff but not on this one. This coaching staff has to run the game plan by the GM for his approval. Don't deal with players without his permission.

they are not running the game plan by Jerry or anyone else in the FO.
That is ridiculous to think that, let alone to say it.

By saying that it makes everything else said meaningless.

 

[kskboys]

We are just witnesses but this is all by design and the result of consciously planning this.

First off, let me say that after Rivera was gone, McC was my choice but I made an assumption that has not come to be yet. I assumed that he spent that year off, after being fired, in introspection and seeing just why his successor took his team to the NFCCG except for 3 changes on his team, the Smith's and Amos, the best FA D haul since FA began.

The GM decided on a passing HC for a run first team. Say what you will about his predecessor but he understood what this team was built to do. He was a running HC, he learned the game that way and he'd try to stay with that to a fault. But he knew the strength of his team as well as the need to protect the weakness.

The GM is so infatuated with the passing game and wants one of those high octane offenses that he spent his 1st pick on a luxury item at WR and the excuse here is "ya gotta take him at 17". Nothing against Lamb, he's a good player, but 7 other GM's passed him by for a D player and 4 for an OL. He used the pick on an O skill position on the #1 O in the league with a mediocre D and aging and disintegrating OL.

That's like being out of food and giving someone money to go to the store and they return with a new pretty watch. He is too enamored with himself and his own ego to be making that pick.

Let the best pass rusher and cover CB walk and give the WR1 20M after giving the RB 15M. Now all he needed was a HC to showcase his toys and who better than a WCO guy with two HOF QB's.

The problem with the team was the HC had been there too long and the stories were getting old and the defense was always an afterthought, both in coaching and player acquisition. So he hires a passing HC who hires a journeyman DC with little to his credit. Problem not fixed, problem disregarded.

You are not getting what you deserve, you deserve better for your support. But this GM deserves exactly what he is getting because it's all by design. Won't happen but there was another Texas GM that needed to take a walk. The one that always gets what he wants.

I would agree w/ this several thousand times if I could.

This is not only what Jerry built, this is what he always builds. Listen to him talk. The whole idea of his "War Daddy" is that a great player will pick up the D enough that Jerry can then spend most of everything on Offense. WR's especially.

Like CC, I like Lamb, I really do. However, every time we pass up what we need for shiny toys, we put ourselves further in the hole.

 

[kskboys]

We knew the D would be problematic but few thought it would be this bad.

The QB is not the problem and the O is putting up a whopping 32 points a game but giving up a whoppier 36.5.

And this brings up the question of the game plan now. They just about have to go into it assuming the D is going to give up 35 to a good offense. They won't have that problem with the Giants this week, it takes them 3 games to get to 35.

If I am the HC and DC, I have to ask myself "what's going to change"? Getting some players back would surely help but when and how healthy? But the real problem is the other issue.

The other issue the coaches must face is the results of the film. Two previous weeks, those OC's saw the holes in the pass D, last week, that OC saw the huge hole in the run D. As the HC, can you fix both or fix one without making the other weaker and it's OC's choice now on any good offense. It is not the norm for a poor D to be so poor at both.

You can fix them easily by letting Cooper walk and signing DJ Reader instead. He alone would fix a host of problems by himself.

 

[CouchCoach]

Interesting.

All you have here is the typical post blaming the GM for all the problems.

All of this has been discussed ad nausium in other threads before. So I read all of your post but typically like most posts..

It's devoid of real life solutions.

It's mostly venting which every one of us has to get off our chests from time to time.

I know you felt better when you typed your post and hit the send button. I would have.

But the facts remain..we have a despotic regime complete with nepotism in the N-th degree with Stephen also being in the mix.

What about him? When Jerrah finally retreats to his hatch and Stephen gets all the keys to the Empire..

Do you think anything will change?

I doubt it. Stephen will become the official GM as his father was.

We are all going to have to then post our venom at Stephen.

Nothing will change for us.

How do we fix that?

Nothing changes for us as we accept what is or we move on.

There are a lot of old timers here that were fans before we had this forum to purge on. And there are a lot of spouses and significant others that thank God for this place every day.

And that's what brings this about, this place. Before this existed or my old haunt before this, DC.com, I didn't spend near this amount of time talking or even thinking about this team. Hell, now I spend the same amount of time as a beat writer.

There is just so much we can say here without repetition or redundancy and I am like that old guy sitting next to you and the pharmacy while you're waiting. Just because I've got nothing left to say doesn't mean I am through talking.

Hi, I'm CouchCoach and I am a Zone addict, "Hi, CouchCoach".

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

We fall behind and abandon the run. Then we hand off to Elliot and he is fumbling. That fumble Sunday was a killer. A 20 yard gain.

Not gonna make excuses for zeke. He's been reliable in the TO department...I don't know what;s going on with him.

But as soon as you say something like "we abandon the run"....I get the jeebies. a bashing running game just doesn't work like that. You stay with it and you beat them up and you get rhythm. Zeke has always worked like since day 1 NCAA. 12 carries in the first half for 37 yards....and 15 carries in the 2nd for 150+.
Now he's barely getting 14 carries a game! That's sub'er numbers. Of course we aren;t gonna get anything going. Especially when the other team is tee'ing off on the run to boot.

For the love of all things holy hang on to the dang ball!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Worst GM in the history of sports.

Jimmy takes a 1-15 team and 4 years later has back-to-back Super Bowl trophies.

You’re fired.

Not without Jerry he doesn't. #Miami.

 

[DFWJC]

So if we're saying it was the GM's call to take Lamb, wouldn't it be the fair to say that same GM drafted Zeke?

So which is it, the run game or passing game?

And the 4th pick overall costs just about twice as much as the 17th...

Also, are we saying we could have subtracted Lamb and added a rookie defender, and that would've made us now not 1-3?

These are honest questions

 

[Redball Express]

Nothing changes for us as we accept what is or we move on.

There are a lot of old timers here that were fans before we had this forum to purge on. And there are a lot of spouses and significant others that thank God for this place every day.

And that's what brings this about, this place. Before this existed or my old haunt before this, DC.com, I didn't spend near this amount of time talking or even thinking about this team. Hell, now I spend the same amount of time as a beat writer.

There is just so much we can say here without repetition or redundancy and I am like that old guy sitting next to you and the pharmacy while you're waiting. Just because I've got nothing left to say doesn't mean I am through talking.

Hi, I'm CouchCoach and I am a Zone addict, "Hi, CouchCoach".

Confession accepted. We all are right there with you.

It's group therapy if there is such a thing for Cowboy fans.

I just wish I could have a cup of coffee and a donut when I come in the room.

AA does that and you get a name tag, too.

That's it..CA.

Cowboys Anonymous.

Kick the habit of rooting for this team knowing we are an accident waiting to happen.

It surely to be recognized as a National non-profit shortly.

 

[JJHLH1]

Not without Jerry he doesn't. #Miami.

That was a different Jerry back then. The HOF Jerry who hired a great coach and let him run the show.

Since Jimmy was fired we’ve been stuck with a completely different Jerry, one who tries to satisfy his ego at the expense of building another great team, unfortunately.

 

[Whyjerry]

We are just witnesses but this is all by design and the result of consciously planning this.

First off, let me say that after Rivera was gone, McC was my choice but I made an assumption that has not come to be yet. I assumed that he spent that year off, after being fired, in introspection and seeing just why his successor took his team to the NFCCG except for 3 changes on his team, the Smith's and Amos, the best FA D haul since FA began.

The GM decided on a passing HC for a run first team. Say what you will about his predecessor but he understood what this team was built to do. He was a running HC, he learned the game that way and he'd try to stay with that to a fault. But he knew the strength of his team as well as the need to protect the weakness.

The GM is so infatuated with the passing game and wants one of those high octane offenses that he spent his 1st pick on a luxury item at WR and the excuse here is "ya gotta take him at 17". Nothing against Lamb, he's a good player, but 7 other GM's passed him by for a D player and 4 for an OL. He used the pick on an O skill position on the #1 O in the league with a mediocre D and aging and disintegrating OL.

That's like being out of food and giving someone money to go to the store and they return with a new pretty watch. He is too enamored with himself and his own ego to be making that pick.

Let the best pass rusher and cover CB walk and give the WR1 20M after giving the RB 15M. Now all he needed was a HC to showcase his toys and who better than a WCO guy with two HOF QB's.

The problem with the team was the HC had been there too long and the stories were getting old and the defense was always an afterthought, both in coaching and player acquisition. So he hires a passing HC who hires a journeyman DC with little to his credit. Problem not fixed, problem disregarded.

You are not getting what you deserve, you deserve better for your support. But this GM deserves exactly what he is getting because it's all by design. Won't happen but there was another Texas GM that needed to take a walk. The one that always gets what he wants.

He really has done a terrible job on the defensive side of the ball. Watt should be a Cowboy. If he was they wouldn’t have wasted money on Lawrence. Also Thornill should have been the pick over Hill. They would have a competent S then. Lastly paying Smith early is looking like a terrible decision. They had to see the warning sides with that fraud.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

We are just witnesses but this is all by design and the result of consciously planning this.

The GM decided on a passing HC for a run first team. Say what you will about his predecessor but he understood what this team was built to do. He was a running HC, he learned the game that way and he'd try to stay with that to a fault. But he knew the strength of his team as well as the need to protect the weakness.

The GM is so infatuated with the passing game and wants one of those high octane offenses that he spent his 1st pick on a luxury item at WR and the excuse here is "ya gotta take him at 17". Nothing against Lamb, he's a good player, but 7 other GM's passed him by for a D player and 4 for an OL. He used the pick on an O skill position on the #1 O in the league with a mediocre D and aging and disintegrating OL.

Let the best pass rusher and cover CB walk and give the WR1 20M after giving the RB 15M. Now all he needed was a HC to showcase his toys and who better than a WCO guy with two HOF QB's.

The problem with the team was the HC had been there too long and the stories were getting old and the defense was always an afterthought, both in coaching and player acquisition. So he hires a passing HC who hires a journeyman DC with little to his credit. Problem not fixed, problem disregarded.

You are not getting what you deserve, you deserve better for your support. But this GM deserves exactly what he is getting because it's all by design. Won't happen but there was another Texas GM that needed to take a walk. The one that always gets what he wants.

1) The GM decided on a passing HC for a run first team. Coaches need to adjust their plan according to their talent. Trying to be a run first team without your two starting OTs would not be a wise use of your talents especially with the WRs we have.

2) Passing on Lamb would have been insane. If there was a re-draft right now, Lamb would be a top ten pick. Giants took some sure-hit OT with the 4th pick and he has stunk up the joint so far. No one thought the defense would be this bad. No one, period! No one thought the OL was disintegrating. Fredbeard's retirement came as a shock to the fans and probably team. Collins was expected to play. You are just hindsight cherrypicking.

3) Let the best pass rusher and cover CB walk and give the WR1 20M after giving the RB 15M. Your 'best pas rusher' Quinn has 2 tackles, 1 sack and 1 forced fumble in 4 games. Can you say epic fail on your part. $16M/yr for that! I guess no credit for Aldon Smith. Agenda much. Byron Jones? Another epic fail on your part. Dude got hurt 1st series or so in the 1st game and has hardly played for Miami. No ROI so far for either Quinn or Jones. Yes, it would have been better to let Cooper walk rather than paying $20M. Had Jerry known Lamb would be there in the draft, Jerry probably would have not signed Cooper. Paying Zeke $15M was a waste. I wanted to roll with Pollard and RB by committee.

4) You are not getting what you deserve, you deserve better for your support. Deserve has nothing to do with it.