More proof why Dak is garbage

[SteveTheCowboy]

If we had even an average defense we are 4-0 right now.

Our offense is All World right now with Dak leading it.

But yeah..Dak is garbage.

Kinda hard to really say. I wonder what this offense would be like in just a regular old average game...you know...where it like 21-23 in 2nd half?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What a crock!!!!!!!!!!! You forget Elliott's fumble and as far as the reason that the browns got 300 rushing yards because of the 2 Prescott turnovers, well the Browns already had 56 yards rushing before Prescott's fumble and then had 297 yards before his pick. So the DEFENSE gave up 241 yards all by themselves because they couldn't stop the run or the pass.
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was being sarcastic.....have you read the over the top posts on Dak...blaming him for everything including the earth quake in Chile

 

[keysersoze]

Passing yardage, just like last year. The “number one ranked offense” last year was also the 17th ranked red-zone scoring defense overall and 22nd on the road. Garbage yards..

That’s not the case right now in 2020 tho. This year we are scoring lots of points. But our defense is giving up more!!! How’s this a reflection of Dak’s talent or leadership? Put your agenda and your bias aside and be truthful. There’s no garbage yards this far in 2020 because EVERY GAME went down to the last possession.

 

[gjkoeppen]

His talent level is a bench player at best.
No, he cannot lead us to a Superbowl heck he can't beat a team with a winning record!
Both of these points will be confirmed come the off-season when Dak hits the road for a rough FA experience!

Here's what the Prescott haters don't want to hear or admit. Prescott has 3 fumbles now lets look at them. One was his fault, one was from a lineman letting a defender through and hit the ball when he started his throwing motion - a good defensive play. It's funny, not ha ha funny, when a Cowboy defender does this we say what a good defensive play. And one fumble the ball was ripped out of his hands, Again when a Cowboy does that it's a good defensive play.

Now the picks. He has 3 of those. One was a hail mary pass in the end zone that even the best QB's have done but because it's Prescott there more to it. There are only 4 QB's that started all 4 games that have less picks than Prescott but to listen to the haters he is leading the league in picks. Oh this season Brady who many call the GOAT has had a pick six and how many of those does Prescott have this season - ZERO.

Now your Cowboys being down by 20 and did not mention the Elliott fumble or the Schultz fumble or Jones failed fake punt that all led to scoring.

There has been to many turnovers by the offense but on the other hand the defense has produced but a couple. What the defense has done is allow a team who lost there starting RB early in the 1st quarter to rush for over 300 yards. They have given up 149 points in the first 4 games or an average 37 points a game. Now before you say but the turnovers well other teams turnover the ball over but their defense stiffens and don't always allow points. We hear all the time announcers say it was a waste of getting that turnover or even though they turned the ball over they didn't give up any points. Not the Cowboys defense.

If the defense ever get higher than being ranked 30th in the league and the Cowboys are winning then MAYBE depending on what mistakes others on offense make, you maybe might have something to question.
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[PhillyCowboysFan]

When down by 4-8 points in the final four minutes if a game, meaning a TD to come out on top, in respect to the league average since 2016:

Passer Rating of Dak is 70.6, the league average is 76.5

YPA for Dak is 5.8, the league average is 6.6

The TD rate is 2.8% while the league average is 4.6%

Int rate is 2.7% while the league average is 3.7%.

Sack % is 7.7% versus 5.5% for the lasher average.

To summarize, Checkdown Charlie isn’t even average, per Action Network. I can give a summary of why he’s a joke in this aspect, including he really is risk averse and only throws the ball on desperation, down by three scores.

Here is the kicker, as I’ve been repeating ad nauseum. Notice the point of emphasis on Prescott and the infamous DROP-BACK. He can’t do it worth a dime, which clearly illustrates his incompetent and one-trick pony routine. And he’s not even close to Romo, let alone Mahomes, so cut the BS comparisons with this mediocre joke, while both Linehan and Moore had to basically completely eliminate the traditional drop-back for this bum.

How or what is Action Network. This would mean so much more if it came from a reputable NFL analytic source!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I dont want to change the QB. However, if he wants a 3 year deal (at market rate) we just wont be able to afford it and have resources spare to improve the team.

If that's the case we may as well move on now...tag and trade will at least get something for him.

I'm not saying we'll be any good, but at least we can rest and allow those bad contract to expire.

how do you say we don't have resources to improve the team? Lawrence got a 21M/year contract. Crawford is makign 9M. Jaylon got a 64M contract. Zeke. cooper...so there is money to go around.

instead of handing Zeke a large contract...draft a RB in the 3rd round....let zeke walk and get a comp pick in return...

however, if you look on the defensive side, which everyone is clamoring about not having enough resources to get players for, we have wasted every resource and got NOTHING in return.
Lawrence and his 20M got us 0.5 sack in 12 games. zero QB hits this season.....he sould be in the top 5,10 in the league in those categories.....Crawford is making 9M for being a back up. a freaking back up.....Jaylon stole the bank with 64M contract and he is 55th ranked LB....and can't run.... We paid Poe 5M. what did we get? we are paying Griffin 6M what do we have? we have spend premium draft picks on defense and got almost nothing in return but maybe a couple of average to below average players, ala LVE, Taco, Chido, Gregory, Jaylon, Hill....those players should be foundations of a good to great defense. they all suck, or no longer here or have spent more time on the sideline than the game.

so its not about the QB contract, given all the other contracts given out and resources already spent on defense.

and our best CB, Jones is playing for another team....and when we drafted him, we made him a saftey....WTH

so even if we had a minimum wage QB, do you trust this FO to be able to put a defense together? when EVERY TIME , EVERY MOVE they have made on the defensive side of the ball has been the WRONG one..including forcing Kellen Moore on Garrett and now McCarthy and letting Eberflus walk!!!!who now has the #1 defense in the league....I am not saying they will remain #1...but man wouldn't it be nice to be #1 defense in the league through quarter point of the season!!!

 

[keysersoze]

Here's what the Prescott haters don't want to hear or admit. Prescott has 3 fumbles now lets look at them. One was his fault, one was from a lineman letting a defender through and hit the ball when he started his throwing motion - a good defensive play. It's funny, not ha ha funny, when a Cowboy defender does this we say what a good defensive play. And one fumble the ball was ripped out of his hands, Again when a Cowboy does that it's a good defensive play.

Now the picks. He has 3 of those. One was a hail mary pass in the end zone that even the best QB's have done but because it's Prescott there more to it. There are only 4 QB's that started all 4 games that have less picks than Prescott but to listen to the haters he is leading the league in picks. Oh this season Brady who many call the GOAT has had a pick six and how many of those does Prescott have this season - ZERO.

Now your Cowboys being down by 20 and did not mention the Elliott fumble or the Schultz fumble or Jones failed fake punt that all led to scoring.

There has been to many turnovers by the offense but on the other hand the defense has produced but a couple. What the defense has done is allow a team who lost there starting RB early in the 1st quarter to rush for over 300 yards. They have given up 149 points in the first 4 games or an average 37 points a game. Now before you say but the turnovers well other teams turnover the ball over but their defense stiffens and don't always allow points. We hear all the time announcers say it was a waste of getting that turnover or even though they turned the ball over they didn't give up any points. Not the Cowboys defense.

If the defense ever get higher than being ranked 30th in the league and the Cowboys are winning then MAYBE depending on what mistakes others on offense make, you maybe might have something to question.
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Thank y’all I for stating 100% factual information. But no matter how much you prove your points these idiots with hatred in their hearts and agendas in mind will never admit to it. The simply hate Dak for reasons he nor any of us can change. This ain’t strictly about football.

 

[CowboyoWales]

how do you say we don't have resources to improve the team? Lawrence got a 21M/year contract. Crawford is makign 9M. Jaylon got a 64M contract. Zeke. cooper...so there is money to go around.

.... those contracts are in the book. The contracts given in the past are gone.

The Jones' MO has always been to give long contracts and to free up money by restructuring ...Dak has the right to ply his trade at top dollar, unfortunately, it just doesnt fit how the teams finances are structured. I suppose Jones mistakenly thought Dak would agree to something longer.

Because we've made mistakes doesnt make giving Dak a three year contract right. If we arent able to contest in the 3 years (and the lack of available Cap indicates that will be the case), we may as well seek another route.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Kinda hard to really say. I wonder what this offense would be like in just a regular old average game...you know...where it like 21-23 in 2nd half?

Umm..what?

 

[CowboyFrog]

.... those contracts are in the book. The contracts given in the past are gone.

The Jones' MO has always been to give long contracts and to free up money by restructuring ...Dak has the right to ply his trade at top dollar, unfortunately, it just doesnt fit how the teams finances are structured. I suppose Jones mistakenly thought Dak would agree to something longer.

Because we've made mistakes doesnt make giving Dak a three year contract right. If we arent able to contest in the 3 years (and the lack of available Cap indicates that will be the case), we may as well seek another route.

I'm not saying we wont or shouldn't, I think what most people think is, That is going to be a rebuild and now we are 3+ years away....The point I'm arguing is you are not closer to a title if Dak walks and you have to downgrade at QB...and if you go with a rookie, your going to have to pay him after the 3 years it takes you to get back to where you want to be...same boat diferent QB.

 

[CATCH17]

I don’t think Dak is garbage.

He’s just not an elite QB either and I would move on from him because he’s terrible value and will lock us into mediocrity.


Dak.. Is not a difference making player at his position. It’s as simple as that.

Also, don’t blame everything around him and also tell me to pay him. He’s not the problem but he won’t overcome problems because he’s not a good enough player.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I don’t think Dak is garbage.

He’s just not an elite QB either and I would move on from him because he’s terrible value and will lock us into mediocrity.


Dak.. Is not a difference making player at his position. It’s as simple as that.

Also, don’t blame everything around him and also tell me to pay him. He’s not the problem but he won’t overcome problems because he’s not a good enough player.

I mean he literally can't raise the play of the defense....other than turnovers how much better are you asking him to be?

 

[CowboyoWales]

I'm not saying we wont or shouldn't, I think what most people think is, That is going to be a rebuild and now we are 3+ years away....The point I'm arguing is you are not closer to a title if Dak walks and you have to downgrade at QB...and if you go with a rookie, your going to have to pay him after the 3 years it takes you to get back to where you want to be...same boat diferent QB.

Lets make it clear ....my favored position would be to sign Dak to 4+ years as this will give the flexibility to get over the next two years that are problematic Cap wise.

If he signs for three years we're no closer to a title if you have Dak (or not) as the Defense is just not play-off quality....the difference is that without him we'd have savings (and whatever we get in trading him if we 'tag and trade').

Id get a second/third rate QB (ala Dalton) - lets get the O-Line depth right, which will improve protection and running game....we may not be as successful as having Dak, however, with that WR corp it'll still be pretty good.....more importantly we draft and spend improving the Defense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

.... those contracts are in the book. The contracts given in the past are gone.

The Jones' MO has always been to give long contracts and to free up money by restructuring ...Dak has the right to ply his trade at top dollar, unfortunately, it just doesnt fit how the teams finances are structured. I suppose Jones mistakenly thought Dak would agree to something longer.

Because we've made mistakes doesnt make giving Dak a three year contract right. If we arent able to contest in the 3 years (and the lack of available Cap indicates that will be the case), we may as well seek another route.

but that's my point. all these complaining about there is no money there is no money there is no money. Dak is on the books as you said with a 31M contract.....and all the players I mentioned are on the team. signed.

the problem is not, that we don't have room or cap space to sign players. we seem to find all the wrong players and hand out the worst defensive contracts...and get ZILCH in return.....we have got nothing for our investments on the defensive side. nada. nothing. zero. in fact we are getting negative returns.......imagine if those players actually played to half the level of their contracts.... plus, contracts are always manipulated as yu said.....ala Lawrence, Smith, etc. they redo them and create space as necessary......

somehow we have to fix the defensive strategy, players, none of them are working out at all....its horrid

 

[Ken]

What was the date?

6th game of his rookie year. Just didn't happen in the last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter during a full moon.

 

[OmerV]

When down by 4-8 points in the final four minutes if a game, meaning a TD to come out on top, in respect to the league average since 2016:

Passer Rating of Dak is 70.6, the league average is 76.5

YPA for Dak is 5.8, the league average is 6.6

The TD rate is 2.8% while the league average is 4.6%

Int rate is 2.7% while the league average is 3.7%.

Sack % is 7.7% versus 5.5% for the lasher average.

To summarize, Checkdown Charlie isn’t even average, per Action Network. I can give a summary of why he’s a joke in this aspect, including he really is risk averse and only throws the ball on desperation, down by three scores.

Here is the kicker, as I’ve been repeating ad nauseum. Notice the point of emphasis on Prescott and the infamous DROP-BACK. He can’t do it worth a dime, which clearly illustrates his incompetent and one-trick pony routine. And he’s not even close to Romo, let alone Mahomes, so cut the BS comparisons with this mediocre joke, while both Linehan and Moore had to basically completely eliminate the traditional drop-back for this bum.

The fact that you use the term "garbage" says this thread, and your thoughts, are garbage.

Dak clearly has talent and can do positive things. Whether it is enough remains to be seen, but if it isn't, that doesn't make him "garbage", it just makes him average or maybe even above average.

Viewing things only in extremes destroys any credibility you might have had. The extremist view is not valid because there is a hell of a lot of room between the extremes that gets ignored for the sake of making the argument more dramatic.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Umm..what?

I mean um....not down by 20 points, 5 fumbles and couple interceptions? I mean...I *think* it's been a bit of a problem....unless I been in the twilight zone.

Not blaming the offense! Just want to see what it does with a 60 minutes of competitive ball...neck and neck.
You make me think that I'm speaking gibberish.

 

[SumGuy]

Both of them have played less than Dak and Burrow is in year 1. Him being average in this league, where a bunch of mediocrity is starting with much less talented rosters is nothing to cry home about.

Agreed, nothing to "write" home about, but also still enough to say he isn't garbage. I'm not a huge Dak fan, but it's an exaggeration to call him garbage when it may be more accurate to say he is mediocre, pedestrian, or average if you feel he's about the 15th best QB in the league.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

When down by 4-8 points in the final four minutes if a game, meaning a TD to come out on top, in respect to the league average since 2016:

Passer Rating of Dak is 70.6, the league average is 76.5

YPA for Dak is 5.8, the league average is 6.6

The TD rate is 2.8% while the league average is 4.6%

Int rate is 2.7% while the league average is 3.7%.

Sack % is 7.7% versus 5.5% for the lasher average.

To summarize, Checkdown Charlie isn’t even average, per Action Network. I can give a summary of why he’s a joke in this aspect, including he really is risk averse and only throws the ball on desperation, down by three scores.

Here is the kicker, as I’ve been repeating ad nauseum. Notice the point of emphasis on Prescott and the infamous DROP-BACK. He can’t do it worth a dime, which clearly illustrates his incompetent and one-trick pony routine. And he’s not even close to Romo, let alone Mahomes, so cut the BS comparisons with this mediocre joke, while both Linehan and Moore had to basically completely eliminate the traditional drop-back for this bum.

Wrong.

Guys on track for like 7,000 freaking yards.

Our defense is a joke.

 

[WillieBeamen]

I don’t think Dak is garbage.

He’s just not an elite QB either and I would move on from him because he’s terrible value and will lock us into mediocrity.


Dak.. Is not a difference making player at his position. It’s as simple as that.

Also, don’t blame everything around him and also tell me to pay him. He’s not the problem but he won’t overcome problems because he’s not a good enough player.